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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFellow Soldiers Call Bowe Bergdahl A Deserter, Not A Hero
By Jake Tapper, CNN
June 2, 2014 -- Updated 0305 GMT (1105 HKT)
(CNN) -- The sense of pride expressed by officials of the Obama administration at the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is not shared by many of those who served with him -- veterans and soldiers who call him a deserter whose "selfish act" ended up costing the lives of better men.
"I was pissed off then and I am even more so now with everything going on," said former Sergeant Matt Vierkant, a member of Bergdahl's platoon when he went missing on June 30, 2009. "Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him."
Vierkant said Bergdahl needs to not only acknowledge his actions publicly but face a military trial for desertion under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
A reporter asked Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel Sunday whether Bergdahl had left his post without permission or deserted -- and, if so, whether he would be punished. Hagel didn't answer directly. "Our first priority is assuring his well-being and his health and getting him reunited with his family," he said. "Other circumstances that may develop and questions, those will be dealt with later."
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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/
RandySF
(58,488 posts)when Bush supporters accused John McCain of treason while in the Hanoi Hilton. I'm not buying into these new accusations without truth.
Alex P Notkeaton
(309 posts)That was disgraceful.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Says
Cha
(296,847 posts)My point was/is, it will be an unresolved mess, another opportunity for negativity, whatever the facts, which we don't need.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)on Facebook and Twitter to hype a bunch of rumors and swiftboat a POW, including "Cody" who basically calls him a Taliban operative. I guess that's what passes for news now, uncritically passing along anonymous tweets.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)What is not disputed is he left his post and walked into town. He wasn't captured while out on patrol.
At the time there were different theories as to why he left the safety of his base, those ranged from buying drugs to deserting.
What we do know is he put himself and by extension others at risk.
That Qatar was involved in the negotiations is itself problematic. They have a long history of supporting the worst kind of terrorists. In particular Sunni extremists in Syria. That some Taliban killers were released in exchange for him sets a precedent that will only encourage hostage taking I the future, regardless of how dangerous the Taliban Guantanamo detainees might have been.
madville
(7,404 posts)They have many sources that pretty much convey the same feeling. I wasn't aware so many were killed while searching for him.
It will be interesting to see if the military or the administration gets their way, the general feeling seems to be the military people want to see him face a court martial while the message coming from the administration is that he has already suffered enough.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)then I agree he should be prosecuted. As I understand it, six soldiers lost their lives searching for him.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Cody noted in his Twitter recollections a story that others from Blackfoot Company relay. While soldiers were searching for Bergdahl, a platoon "came upon some children, they asked him have they seen an American. The children said 'yes, he was crawling on his belly through weeds and acting funny a while ago,'" according to Cody.
The platoon went to the village where the children said the American had gone. "Villagers said an American did come through the area and was wanting water and someone who spoke English," Cody shared. "Wanted to meet with Taliban."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/
Interesting.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)There are death threats against Bergdahl now in the comments. Jake Tapper is irresponsible to publish anonymous internet accounts as a reliable source--it appears to be simply inflammatory reporting, serves no purpose.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)It means nothing.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)standingtall
(2,785 posts)He deserted and it is also possible that the alleged sources are liars with some axe to grind. The article states that those who knew him best say he deserted. Sounds exactly like the swift boat propaganda. They said that too, and we came to find out they never meet Kerry. The article sites emails that they themselves admit they have not verified irresponsible journalism.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Did the administration not know about these accounts?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)his fellow soldiers reported that he simply walked away--only to surface later in propaganda videos, obviously captured? Even if he went AWOL (which is likely), they don't know what his mental/emotional state was like at the time, or what may have triggered his actions, and they wouldn't judge him a deserter until they got him back and questioned him anyway. Edit to add: the military/WH knew all this stuff. I heard it in 2011, it was not a secret that he probably deserted.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)I figured if it were standard procedures, his former unit wouldn't be so upset over it.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)The position of the US Government is that you get them back home, even if it means they face disciplinary action or a court martial. You wouldn't want the military to abandon the search/rescue for YOUR loved one based on what fellow soldiers said and thought of him, and I wouldn't either, for mine.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)and of course they knew the whole story, and they knew the politics of it because the GOP threatened to make it an issue if they had made the deal before the 2012 election.
So like you I wonder why they wanted this release so badly. There must be a very good reason, and I don't think it's just about the welfare of Bowe Bergdahl.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Maybe there is some other deal in the background of which he was only part of?
Enrique
(27,461 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)There are no facts, there are no reliable sources, there aren't even any facts in the reasonable doubt category.
But there is equal reason to believe it's trumped up. This is how the concocted stories meant as a political bombshells are contrived. It's been done so many times without a moments hesitation.
I could be wrong but I will not make the mistake of falling into a RW trap before seeing the hard evidence and stories well documented from Bergdahl's side. What mental conditions were present, who has an ax to grind... too many questions and nothing here is solid enough to swallow.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Someone with military experience: IF..IF...there was solid evidence he deserted and went AWOL, wouldn't he already be up on charges ?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)in defense of himself. There's no telling what his mental or emotional state is like anymore, frankly.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)You're right about the evidence factor. Even if he did truly desert, I think he's been punished enough. I'm sure his time with the Taliban was hardly a luxurious stay. I'm surprised news stories would bring this rumor out to the public, but then again the corporate media is biased in favor of the Republicans.
Cha
(296,847 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)if he was in the latrine or where he was captured.
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Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)We sent him there and if he wasn't psychologically ready to handle it it is our responsibility. Good gawd, we send these youngsters to war before their brains are even fully developed. I think that alone is horrendous.
Cha
(296,847 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)if he deserted or was captured at the latrine. People in his platoon with an axe to grind are going to say whatever they can to cast aspersions at the man.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Least he's home. Gotta be better than a prisoner. Wonder how this'll play out.
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Skidmore
(37,364 posts)without his weapon? PTSD. A break after too much. I can understand that happening. Just putting your weapon down and trying to walk away from the source of stress but not being able to think clearly enough to understand that there was really no immediate place to go to get away from it. Some people have lower thresholds than others.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and neither is anyone else that hasn't been entrenched in the horrors he was.
People with axes to grind in his platoon could say anything. By all accounts, he didn't drink, didn't chase women and was a responsible human being. But he IS a human being, and people seem to forget that. It isn't "plug and play" to insert one soldier into a situation as though they are completely interchangeable.
He's a person.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Which is why I am giving him the room in which to be human. I lived in a war zone for several years. While I was not in combat, I understand the toll it takes. My children and I came out of that zone with PTSD of our own. I could tell you that the uncertainty and constant threat around you can make it difficult to focus. Flight is an instinct and one that is hard to achieve when surrounded. I feel for this young man and all of those in the death zones of our world.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Rushing to condemn a human being when you weren't experiencing what he did is rash and cruel.
Sienna86
(2,148 posts)I'm not going to judge him. We may never know his mental state and exactly what he was going through. Glad he is back. Hope he can have a decent life.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Father and son appear (to me) to be wrapped up in some kind of pious adherence to fairy tale stories. What are the odds of someone forgetting English? This thing has cluster copulate written all over it.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)The "Facebook" Group named "Bergdahi is not a Hero":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025038038
MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)I'm sorry, but all these "sources" seem very suspect to me. This whole thing looks like another right-wing smear job, throwing a serviceman under the bus, just to make the President look bad. Don't believe any of this garbage. Let the man have his day in court if they have anything more than hearsay.
Remember, evil scheming right wings tools started working on this thing the instant they heard about the deal for Bergdahl's release. Ugly.