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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 07:07 AM Jun 2014

Fracking is the greatest immediate threat to our environment in the U.S.

I'm not calling for a moratorium on fracking. It wouldn't work. It's not going to happen. But laws being passed on the state level that further deregulate an already largely deregulated branch of the energy industry (see Halliburton Loophole) are just nuts.

In state after state- the latest being NC and VA- legislators and governors have or plan to make it even easier for companies to frack- including in National Forests. This week Governor McCrory of NC will sign new legislation that keeps the list of fracking chemicals protected from being scrutinized by the public and gives legislators less time to object to new fracking projects.

Yes, the tar sands are important but they're in Canada. We may be able to curtail Keystone, but we can't stop Canada from producing and importing the stuff- be it by rail or pipeline. Fracking is happening here in the U.S. It's supported in a big way by many democrats including the President and it is increasingly a free for all (corporations).

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Fracking is the greatest immediate threat to our environment in the U.S. (Original Post) cali Jun 2014 OP
I'm frankly surprised and saddened by the number of Dems who support it. marmar Jun 2014 #1
I would hope that they at least support stronger regulation cali Jun 2014 #2
money, money, money. Money, money, money rurallib Jun 2014 #13
This redqueen Jun 2014 #20
I'm saddened but not shocked. For many Dems these days, as long as the money is good raouldukelives Jun 2014 #14
Your exactly correct. blackspade Jun 2014 #3
Ask The Citizens of North Dakota.... cynzke Jun 2014 #4
Nope mog75 Jun 2014 #15
I don't think so mog75 Jun 2014 #16
here's the best part mog75 Jun 2014 #19
Are you serious? mog75 Jun 2014 #17
I have lived in ND all my life mog75 Jun 2014 #18
Not only the US RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #5
Immediate threat yes. Of course the environment & natural resources have been under attack... L0oniX Jun 2014 #6
I'll give it a close second. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #7
That's what I'm sayin' They_Live Jun 2014 #8
Frackers buy off local govt.; Mr. Rogers Wept! Divernan Jun 2014 #9
From Alberta, Canada to West VA., fracking truck accidents killing citizens. Divernan Jun 2014 #12
When I moved to Colorado there was basically no fracking. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #10
Using Depleted Uranium is mentioned in patents Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #11
Dangerous levels of radioactivity found at fracking waste site in P Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #21
It occurs to me that RobertEarl Jun 2014 #22

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
13. money, money, money. Money, money, money
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:07 AM
Jun 2014

Money makes the world go round
Oh that clinking, clanking sound
(loosely stolen from Cabaret)

it buys votes

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
14. I'm saddened but not shocked. For many Dems these days, as long as the money is good
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jun 2014

they are all for it. It seems to be the point where the rubber meets the road for basic liberal or moral values. As long as it doesn't affect personal income, Wall St investments or limit them in any way from exploiting the planet and its wildlife, they are down with it.
A new breed of Libetaradems who never met a portfolio they didn't like or a social issue that doesn't cost them a dime they can rally behind.
They fill the coffers of Wall St and then still have the simplistic nature to wonder why things are getting worse.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
3. Your exactly correct.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:14 AM
Jun 2014

Restrictions on tracking need to be tightened and the chemicals need to be disclosed.
The only reason to hide hat info is because it is toxic and will make it clear which companies are contaminating the environment.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
4. Ask The Citizens of North Dakota....
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:44 AM
Jun 2014

how well it is going. Dozens of illegal highly radioactive dumpsites cropping up around the state. Hazardous to clean up and very expensive to boot. Diverting resources from other projects and taxpayers are footing the bill as they always end up doing. The mid Atlantic states are turning into toxic waste sites with deregulation. The resulting cleanup will outweigh the financial benefits.

mog75

(109 posts)
16. I don't think so
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jun 2014

"Dozens of illegal highly radioactive dumpsites cropping up around the state."

Where's the dozens of links?

mog75

(109 posts)
17. Are you serious?
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

"Diverting resources from other projects and taxpayers are footing the bill as they always end up doing."

Like keystone XL?

mog75

(109 posts)
18. I have lived in ND all my life
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jun 2014

The biggest problem the people here have with our oil boom are heavy truck traffic, and the lack of rail cars to move crops.(oil cars get preference) There is one very simple solution to this problem(it's also far safer for the environment than rail or trucking). Senator Heitkamp has assured me several times that keystone will be approved. Just a matter of time.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
5. Not only the US
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:51 AM
Jun 2014

but the entire planet!
The more we continue to use fossil fuels, the more we will accelerate climate change.
We, as an entire civilization of Planet Earth, must curtail our use of fossil fuels.
There is no Plan(et) B.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
6. Immediate threat yes. Of course the environment & natural resources have been under attack...
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jun 2014

for a long time ...but fracking is going to ruin what natural water supplies we have left ....for corporate profits. Who are the real terrorists?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
7. I'll give it a close second.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jun 2014

You'll note that Diablo Canyon which has been spiking for the past week is right now at 124 CPM (counts per minute) on the Geiger Counters that monitor that area. The NRC has nothing on their site about this.

- Something's amiss....



http://www.radiationnetwork.com/



K&R

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. Frackers buy off local govt.; Mr. Rogers Wept!
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jun 2014
Fred Rogers was born, raised and died in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. If he were alive today, he would weep at how Big Fracking has bought off local, county & state government, and at the environmental and public health destruction sure to follow.

I'm from Pennsylvania, heartland of Marcellus Shale, known as Ground Zero by Big Fracking. Our GOP Governor, Tom Corbett, financed his campaign/election by selling out the state to Frackers at bargain prices, compared to what they pay in states like Alaska or Texas, i.e., they pay NO extraction taxes in PA. We have a state legislature with a GOP majority in both houses, and they also take the campaign donations and keep their mouths shut when it comes to expressing any concerns about the varied and widespread impacts of fracking. Corbett continues to do so, most recently (2 days after the recent primary) lifting a moratorium on fracking all state park and game lands.

Rendell let the frackers' camel get its nose under the tent.
Former PA Dem. Gov. Fast Eddie Rendell also sold out to frackers, opening a limited portion of state lands to fracking. BUT, he let the state Dept. of Conservation & Natural Resources decide where frackers could or couldn't go, and all revenue went back to maintaining state owned parks, forests and game lands. However the legislature chose to confiscate those millions from said maintenance and preservation, and allocate it to the general budget. Corbett also reduced budget and staff of the agency charged with enforcing regulations, and his politically appointed head of that agency, stripped the few remaining field inspectors of their powers to issue violations on the spot. All proposed violations must be approved by said political appointee.

NOW, the frackers are seeking out local landholders who have sold out mineral rights to Big Fracking and would personally lose out on their annual profits if fracking on their leased lands was curtailed. Frackers are now backing these co-opted assholes, and any other candidates willing to take their money, to run for govt. at the local level, such as County Commissioner, and using them to fight off efforts of local citizens to control or limit Big Fracking by local zoning.

Here in Pittsburgh, our Democratic majority county council and newly elected (Democratic) Chief Executive have similarly been bought off by Big Fracking. It's been a sweet win-win for them all - fat campaign bribes, oh! I'm SO sorry!, I mean "contributions", plus they can balance their budgets on the backs of local citizens whose health is compromised and property values destroyed.

First, the county exec. & council approved fracking at the local airport (nearly 10,000 acres, surrounded by bedroom communities/Pittsburgh suburbs. That's a 20-year deal with Consol Energy for seven drilling pads with 50 wells on airport property. Of course if there's a blow-out, fire, etc. at any of said wells/pads, all air traffic will be halted for the duration - a recent fire in nearby Washington County took over a week to contain. As to the neighboring streets - one of the well pads would be only 1100 feet away. Let the toxic plumes of methane and unknown other toxins from daily operations commence. So the lucky neighbors get toxic air quality PLUS HIGH LEVELS OF NOISE from operations and trucks hauling fracking water in and fracking waste water out, and this is TWENTY-FOUR/SEVEN. Oh well, at least the neighbors won't have to spend money on yard lights. Their yards will be illuminated all night long from lights at the fracking station & headlights from the trucks.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/ruth-ann-dailey/2013/02/11/Let-the-airport-fracking-moolah-take-flight/stories/201302110314#ixzz33UEle3VC

Now the County Exec & Council have approved fracking under a pristine county park & lake. The pads and wells will be on residential property right at the edges of the park, meaning the hundreds of daily trips back and forth by tanker trucks to each well pad will be on residential streets, 24/7, and the plumes of methane fumes will be ubiquitous over the park and neighboring houses and schools. What does this do to the neighborhoods' property values? Can you say ZILCH, boys and girls? I knew you could! Communities have documented major increases in traffic accidents from these huge trucks on local streets. It's to the point that law firms are advertising to get clients involved in accidents with fracking trucks:

Injured in an Accident with a Marcellus Shale Truck?

Hundreds of tractor-trailers deliver chemicals to Marcellus Shale worksites every day. More often than not, these trucks are filled beyond capacity and can pose a serious threat to other drivers. Most fracking sites are in rural locations. The roads these trucks regularly use were never designed for heavy industrial traffic. This causes road deterioration and can put you in serious danger as a driver.

If you’ve been injured by an industrial tractor-trailer near a Marcellus Shale fracking site, call our attorneys immediately. We’re available at 1-866-9-4EDGAR (1-866-943-3427) or simply fill out our free online legal evaluation located in the top right corner of the page. Our legal professionals will determine if you have a case for compensation.


The only branch of govt. they've been unable to bribe so far is the Judiciary - perhaps because our judges at all levels are elected for 10 year terms. Judges may run on both Democratic and Republican tickets simultaneously, as long as they've collected the requisite number of petition signatures from each party. And comparatively, very little money has been spent by judicial candidates on electioneering - a few billboards and lots of yard signs at the county level (Courts of Common Pleas), and next to nothing for the Commonwealth, Superior and Supreme Courts statewide races. The received wisdom among judicial candidates is that it's the luck of the draw for ballot position which most determines the winners. Faced with a list of 10 unfamiliar names, voters tend to vote for the first three on the list. However, I have no doubt that the industry's Marcellus Shale Coalition is working on plans to influence the coming judicial elections as well. Perhaps run some lawyers for judgeships whose families have shale leases.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
12. From Alberta, Canada to West VA., fracking truck accidents killing citizens.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:00 AM
Jun 2014

"In March of 2013, a truck carrying drilling water overturned near the same intersection onto a car driven by Lucretia Mazzei, killing her two sons, 7-year-old Nicholas Mazzei-Saum and his 8-year-old brother Alexander Mazzei-Saum. An analysis of traffic fatalities in the busiest new oil and gas-producing counties in the U.S. shows a sharp rise in deaths that experts say is related to the drilling boom."

There’s even a whole firm called “Frackcident Injury Law” located in Pennsylvania — another place experiencing above-average vehicle fatalities as a side effect of its fracking boom. “The combination of too many trucks, sleep-deprived truckers, ramshackle vehicles, and dangerous roads is a nightmare for anyone who cares about roadway safety,” the website reads. “Do the economic benefits of fracking justify those risks for motorists?”

For at least the last eight years, Highway 63 has been aptly named the “Highway of Death.” And for good reason. As production has rapidly expanded in Fort McMurray, so have the amount of cars transporting workers, and trucks carrying equipment on the long, icy, narrow road. This has caused more crashes, and by extension, deaths. And even as residents try to get the road expanded, its treacherousness has become part of life, an unintended side effect of being a boomtown.

Now, that same unintended side effect is happening in the United States, but in places where fracking is — now literally — making a killing. According to an Associated Press data analysis released Monday, traffic fatalities have more than quadrupled since 2004 in some drilling states, even as roads are getting safer. This, the report said, is not merely due to an increase in population, but an increase of both general traffic and heavy equipment drivers in the regions, most of them present because of the fracking boom.


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/07/3435110/frackcidents/









Who’s Responsible for a Truck Accident?

The road planning for rural areas never took into account the amount of truck traffic that Marcellus Shale fracking companies would bring. Because of this, these roads are not designed with the safety measures required by law.

You are put in a dangerous driving situation for a number of reasons, including:

Road Decay – Because rural roads weren’t designed for gigantic industrial tractor-trailers, these vehicles can easily destroy the roadway, creating serious hazards.
Narrow Roads – Tractor-trailers need a lot of space to maneuver and rural roads weren’t planned with this in mind.
Reduced Stopping Sight Distance – Due to outdated design, these rural roads don’t provide drivers enough time to see a hazard or truck, react to it, and stop to avoid it.
Outdated Road Signs – Most roads near fracking sites haven’t had road signs updated for the new industrial traffic flow.
Dangerous Speed Limits – 55 mph is the speed limit in unmarked rural areas. These limits have not been adjusted for new industrial traffic and can be very dangerous.


Click on this link to see a photo of a fracking truck.
http://www.edgarsnyder.com/industrial-accident/marcellus-shale-fracking-sites/marcellus-shale-trucking-accidents.html

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
10. When I moved to Colorado there was basically no fracking.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jun 2014

At the time, I remember thinking, no way would a water deprived state use water in such an irresponsible way. Thirty years later, we have 10's of thousands of wells. The rights of the oil and gas industry now trump the rights of people because we've let them. Just try to tell those wingers in eastern Colorado that they're destroying the environment and they'll secede. That's right, folks, they will just form their own lawless government. Sound familiar?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
11. Using Depleted Uranium is mentioned in patents
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:58 AM
Jun 2014

Just think of that for a moment even if they may do not use as far as we know.

And guess who has the patent of it?


Halliburton


All the nasty stuff in the patent

Depleted Uranium used in Perf Guns



http://www.google.com/patents/US20110000669#v=onepage&q&f=false



http://williamahuston.blogspot.dk/2013/03/finally-proof-of-use-depleted-uranium.html

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
21. Dangerous levels of radioactivity found at fracking waste site in P
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jun 2014

Scientists have for the first time found dangerous levels of radioactivity and salinity at a shale gas waste disposal site that could contaminate drinking water. If the UK follows in the steps of the US "shale gas revolution", it should impose regulations to stop such radioactive buildup, they said.

The Duke University study, published on Wednesday, examined the water discharged from Josephine Brine Treatment Facility into Blacklick Creek, which feeds into a water source for western Pennsylvania cities, including Pittsburgh. Scientists took samples upstream and downstream from the treatment facility over a two-year period, with the last sample taken in June this year.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/02/dangerous-radioactivity-fracking-waste-pennsylvania

North Dakota struggling to deal with radioactive fracking waste

http://rt.com/usa/north-dakota-radioactive-waste-fracking-784/


Analytical Test Could Underestimate Radioactivity In Fracking Wastewater


http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/web/2014/03/Analytical-Test-Underestimate-Radioactivity-Fracking.html

Radioactive Wastewater From Fracking Is Found in a Pennsylvania Stream

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/radioactive-wastewater-from-fracking-is-found-in-a-pennsylvania-stream-351641/?no-ist

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. It occurs to me that
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jun 2014

Once these deep wells are empty of gas, the wells will make great places to store nuclear waste.

Seems we have a trinity of problems: Global warming, fracking and nuclear waste piling up around the country in parking lots, swimming pools and huge industrial sized tanks full of that nastiest, deadliest, long-lasting man-made crap.

&&&&&&

It is the environmentalists' fault, i'm sure. They were not successful at stopping this Trinty of destruction. Can we get our money back? Gas is getting expensive, need some coin for a fill-up. Sahara Club, ya listenin'?

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