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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 03:01 PM Jun 2014

2 Wisconsin Girls Stab Friend 19 Times in Planned Attack

Police in Waukesha, Wisconsin, say two 12-year-old girls lured a friend into a wooded area where one girl held her down and the other stabbed the victim 19 times.

The victim, also 12, survived the attack and police say her condition is stable.

Authorities said the two suspects had planned to kill the victim for several months before attacking her Saturday. Police say both suspects had an interest in a website containing stories of death and horror.

Both suspects were friends with the victim, police said.


Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2-Girls-Stab-Friend-19-Times-in-Planned-Attack-261535661.html

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2 Wisconsin Girls Stab Friend 19 Times in Planned Attack (Original Post) n2doc Jun 2014 OP
This is right in my neck of the woods. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #1
What the hell do you do with 12-year olds who want to kill? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #2
"Both suspects were friends with the victim, police said." longship Jun 2014 #3
just horrible nt steve2470 Jun 2014 #4
With friends like that, who needs enemies? Terrible. What possessed those girls to do that? nt raccoon Jun 2014 #5
These girls need to be sent to separate juvinile treatment centers. Jenoch Jun 2014 #6
they're being tried as adults PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #10
I saw that on the news. Jenoch Jun 2014 #11
But their rationale was rooted in fantasy Generic Brad Jun 2014 #20
it's crazy. the whole thing. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #21
and that da is running for attorney general dembotoz Jun 2014 #33
Yes, he is. He has to show he's 'tough on crime'. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #34
That's absurd. morningfog Jun 2014 #26
That is nuts AngryAmish Jun 2014 #30
The whole thing is shocking and awful. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #32
I don't want them living near me when they get out KinMd Jun 2014 #15
I realize they are only 12 years old, Jenoch Jun 2014 #16
I dunno laundry_queen Jun 2014 #23
The only other situation like this that I can remember Jenoch Jun 2014 #25
There was a case here in Canada laundry_queen Jun 2014 #27
Shit IronLionZion Jun 2014 #7
Hard to shoe horn this into The Narrative™. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #22
Disturbing A Little Weird Jun 2014 #8
incredibly disturbing. sick. much more info here: PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #9
I just watched the story of Skylar Neese on Dateline NBC last night justiceischeap Jun 2014 #12
Wonder if they saw this too? Phentex Jun 2014 #18
Some of the kids were claiming that the two that killed Skylar justiceischeap Jun 2014 #29
That poor kid. surrealAmerican Jun 2014 #13
WTH! This is just sick and disturbing. smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #14
12 is nowhere close to being an adult. newcriminal Jun 2014 #17
WTF?! sakabatou Jun 2014 #19
This passage from the news article makes clear why 12 year olds should not be tried as adults stevenleser Jun 2014 #24
Remember, this is Waukesha County. TheMightyFavog Jun 2014 #28
Our local news covered this story this morning- very warped young minds. MerryBlooms Jun 2014 #31
Facing 60 years davidn3600 Jun 2014 #35
This reminds me a lot of another case... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #36
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
2. What the hell do you do with 12-year olds who want to kill?
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jun 2014

It's a rhetorical question--no need to answer. It's hard to even process this story. Damn.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. "Both suspects were friends with the victim, police said."
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014

This is a new definition of "friend" of which I was unaware.


 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
6. These girls need to be sent to separate juvinile treatment centers.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jun 2014

They need extensive psychological counseling and then somehow reintroduced to society when they are 21.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
11. I saw that on the news.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jun 2014

I wonder if they are psychotic? My first reaction is if they would have to be.

I place some blame on the parents because they had to have been exposed to the idea of doing this on the internet.

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
20. But their rationale was rooted in fantasy
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

Heinous as this crime was, they should no the tried as adults.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
21. it's crazy. the whole thing.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jun 2014

Waukesha County DA has to show the nation that they are tough on crime now. They always overcharge but now they're in the spotlight.

Commenters on the local news sites want them to get the dearth penalty (which does not exist here),

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
30. That is nuts
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:54 AM
Jun 2014

They are kids caught up in what appears to be a fantasy. This is why we have juvenile courts. 12 years old.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
32. The whole thing is shocking and awful.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:00 AM
Jun 2014

There are just no words to describe how much so.

And trying them as adults is another cog in the machine of horror.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
16. I realize they are only 12 years old,
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jun 2014

but I'm not certain anyone capable of com
Itting such an atrocity can be rehabilitated. The fact that their victim was not killed guarentees they will one day be released.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
23. I dunno
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:01 PM
Jun 2014

if they are budding psychopaths then counseling will make them worse. I hate to see the result at 21. Yeesh.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
25. The only other situation like this that I can remember
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jun 2014

was a situation where a 13 year old killed an 8 year old neighbor and the pretended to help in the search. As I recall, hezwas sentenced to life as an adult.

I just don't understand how parents can raise children that will do these things. Why are 12 year old girls allowee unfettered access to the internet?

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
27. There was a case here in Canada
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jun 2014

where a bunch of teens beat and drowned another teen. One girl...the 'leader', held the victim's head underwater with her foot while having a smoke. It's actually part of my social psychology course right now, the chapter on conformity. My personal opinion is that many kids are not taught empathy, or they are simply incapable of feeling it. And even if they DO feel empathy, peer pressure and the need to feel accepted or conversely, the fear they feel from the 'leader' of the pack makes them do unspeakable things. You know, Lord of the Flies. It's a powerful force.

But yeah, kids who are the 'leaders' in these instances, IMO, are likely total psychopaths and beyond help, IMO. The only way you can get through to kids like that is to convince them that behaving is in their own best interest, because that's all they really care about anyway.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
7. Shit
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jun 2014


Tell me these 12 year old girls didn't have a manifesto. If they were planning this for several months. Yeah, with friends like these 2 you don't need enemies.

And the only thing that can stop a 12 year old with a knife, is ... a 12 year old with a gun?




A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
8. Disturbing
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jun 2014

When I think of the 12 year old girls I know, I just can't comprehend something like this happening.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
12. I just watched the story of Skylar Neese on Dateline NBC last night
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jun 2014

where her two best girl friends decided to lure her out of the house and kill her. One of the girls said they killed her because they didn't want to be friends with her anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Skylar_Neese

Phentex

(16,330 posts)
18. Wonder if they saw this too?
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jun 2014

At first, i thought this was the same story but the second one just happened. I never understood the Skylar case at all!

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
29. Some of the kids were claiming that the two that killed Skylar
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:42 AM
Jun 2014

were in a lesbian relationship and that Skylar was going to out them. Of course, there were a lot of rumors surrounding that case, as often happens when teens are involved.

surrealAmerican

(11,357 posts)
13. That poor kid.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

I guess she's expected to recover physically, but how can you ever get over "friends" literally trying to kill you?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. WTH! This is just sick and disturbing.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jun 2014

Especially since stabbing is such a personal, intimate way to kill somebody. Not that using a gun would have been any better, but for a 12 year old to be that close to another human being and stab them 19 times is just beyond my comprehension.

The fact that they had actually planned this out ahead of time is even more sickening.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
24. This passage from the news article makes clear why 12 year olds should not be tried as adults
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jun 2014

"Both suspects had a fascination with a fictitious character that often posted to a website that is a collection of small stories about death and horror," Jack said.

The criminal complaint refers to that online character as "Slenderman." One of the girls told police "It was the hope that [the victim] would die and they would see slender and know he exists."

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
28. Remember, this is Waukesha County.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:31 AM
Jun 2014

Waukesha County is suburban Milwaukee, the bastion of conservatism in Wisconsin. Bet you dollars to donuts the DA is up for re-election this year. If he decided to try these kids as juveniles, he'd probably get primaried by a rabid teabagger.

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
31. Our local news covered this story this morning- very warped young minds.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:02 AM
Jun 2014

So fortunate the victim survived this brutal attack.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
35. Facing 60 years
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jun 2014
Both girls were charged as adults with first-degree attempted homicide Monday in Waukesha County Circuit Court; they each face up to 60 years in prison if convicted. A court commissioner set bail at $500,000 cash per child. According to a criminal complaint, the girls had been planning to kill their friend for months and finally made the attempt in a park on Saturday morning, after a slumber party.


http://news.msn.com/us/12-year-old-wisconsin-girls-stab-friend-19-times

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
36. This reminds me a lot of another case...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jun 2014

...of two 12-year-old girls who killed one of the girls' mother, because the mother and father had decided to move, one reason being they wanted to split up the girls who lived in a very elaborate fantasy world. The movie based on it was called "Heavenly Creatures".

Criminologists recognize that some cases are best explained as "folie a deux" or the "folly of two", also there is a psychiatric term for it, namely, shared psychositic disorder. Anyway it is characterized by a strong emotional bond and a shared view of the world -- it can be strongly held political or religious beliefs, that form a bond and are twisted into criminal actions; or in the case of the young girls the shared view was a strongly held fantasy world, that led to criminal actions.

Anyway, who knows. But it sure seems to fit the bill.

Here's a good writeup on Shared Psychotic Disorder vis a vis criminal please -- although it discusses a case of folie a trois:

http://www.jaapl.org/content/34/4/511.full

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