We all oppose rape and support equal rights for women. Yes, sometimes we disagree about semantics, and sometimes one of us takes exception to some of the rhetoric, but ultimately we all are on the same side and want the same thing.

But when they do, it immediately makes them one of the best DUers.

Thank you for working to make DU a better place!

It shows self-reflection, a quality I admire greatly. That said, an apology is only the first step. To prove your self-reflection is legitimate, you have to show that you understand what you did wrong by changing your behavior.

I have no idea what you said or if I would agree or disagree with the underlying sentiment, but you should be given props for admitting that you may have been wrong. That's something I see too little of around here.

And I stand by my comments, even though I couldn't disagree more with the sentiments behind your original remarks.

I apologize to you as well for anything I've said which hurt you. You and I may disagree on a lot of stuff but we agree about so much more.

I think you're right, I think we'd find, that although we do disagree on things, we'd find we also have a lot of common ground.

I totally missed your post the first time around.

i missed that one but based on your other posts i know you wouldn't have meant that.

the same side.

I made a personal attack when meta was still up, deleted it and forgot about it until it was pointed out to me by the member I had insulted. That person was very gracious in accepting my apology and we moved on.

I also have always been able to apologize when wrong and instill that in our children. It's the right thing to do, as hard as it may be.

You've proven to be the intelligent, genuine, mature, class act that DU is fortunate to have as a member.

You know I think a lot of you too. :hug

I think it's important to step up and take responsibility when you're wrong. Like you. it's something I've instilled in my children. Apologizing doesn't show weakness, it's shows the strength of your character; that's what I taught my children.

I think the rift is starting to heal, as we see more and more people recognizing that feminist goals are also liberal-progressive goals.

Personally- and I've made no secret, of this- there are aspects of this site I've sort of stopped taking very seriously. That's my way of dealing with certain seemingly never-resolved problems. I'm beyond tired of the grudge matches, the ad hominem attacks, the petty meanness on this board from all sorts of people- and for my part in those things in the past, I apologize. I'm sure I've said some hurtful things, just as I've had some very nasty things said to me.

I think it would be great if DU could, as a general rule, stop spending so much time focused on DU and DU members, not just the grudges and long-term fights but the ideological witch hunts and divisive attempts at purity tests. This applies to all sorts of divisions, on the board.

I also will add that above and beyond the long-running nastiness and name-calling, in recent months in particular there have been some downright unacceptable and horrible things said directly to people on DU, I don't care if those people are people I've agreed with or disagreed with, I am sure that all the good members of DU agree those kinds of things are not acceptable in any way, shape, or form-- one should not take any particular lack of repeated condemnation of those comments and the troll(s) who said them, to be some sort of apathetic attitude toward them. I don't want to reiterate the comments too specifically, but people paying attention probably have a good idea of the incidents I'm speaking of.

As those of us who have been on MIRT and/or have been the recipients of a particularly virulent strain of PM from a certain well-known repeat disruptor here know, sometimes a wise tack with certain forms of trolling is to not give the troll the satisfaction of open acknowledgement. Furthermore I personally felt that in a recent case, given my disagreements with the target of those comments, any statement of support would have potentially not been appreciated or open to misinterpretation, so I figured the respectful thing was to simply stay out, although as part of MIRT we were unanimous in supporting that ban.

However, I am taking this opportunity to state that I don't care who you are, threats and vicious personal attacks do NOT belong on DU, period, ever, I condemn any such comments and anyone who would make them, and I fully support the banning and permanent removal of ALL who would engage in such behavior, from this community.

what I often think, but couldn't quit get into words.

Very well said.

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