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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:06 AM Jun 2014

Any room for Moyers, Maddow, Moore under the bus?

Glenn Greenwald, a former Constitutional and civil rights litigator, is now --was--a columnist at The Guardian, where he writes about civil liberties, national security and US political and media culture. He is the author of three New York Times Bestselling books: two on the Bush administration's executive power and foreign policy abuses, and his 2011 book, With Liberty and Justice for Some, an indictment of America's two-tiered system of justice.

Greenwald was named by The Atlantic as one of the 25 most influential political commentators in the nation, and by Newsweek as one of the nation's top 10 opinion writers. He is the recipient of the first annual I.F. Stone Award for Independent Journalism, and is the winner of the 2010 Online Journalism Association Award for his investigative work on the arrest and oppressive detention of Bradley Manning. He was a finalist for the 2011 National Magazine Awards for online political writing.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow called Greenwald "the American Left’s most fearless political commentator". Filmmaker Michael Moore said: "The first thing I do when I turn on the computer in the morning is go to Glenn Greenwald’s blog to see what he said. He is truly one of our greatest writers right now." And Bill Moyers described him as "the most important voice to have entered the political discourse in years."

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Any room for Moyers, Maddow, Moore under the bus? (Original Post) grasswire Jun 2014 OP
Oh, he's back at the Guardian? Omidyar must of fired his ass then. Good. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #1
snipe, snipe, snipe. nt grasswire Jun 2014 #2
I dunno.. there isn't a link so we don't know what year this was. Besides I Cha Jun 2014 #3
See here... Purveyor Jun 2014 #6
Not in a million years. defacto7 Jun 2014 #4
Greenwald changed mwrguy Jun 2014 #5
Just keeps getting worse, imv.. Cha Jun 2014 #8
+1000 Tikki Jun 2014 #10
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #19
What a fabulous gotcha moment. +1000000000000 sheshe2 Jun 2014 #26
This bus? Egnever Jun 2014 #7
Come On, Get Happy! goldent Jun 2014 #34
Moyers was run over by our bus a long time ago. progressoid Jun 2014 #9
geez Leme Jun 2014 #12
Moyers, a former Presidential Press Secretary nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #25
??? progressoid Jun 2014 #31
Variances of opinion and free thinking not allowed Armstead Jun 2014 #11
I don't see what you are trying to convey Leme Jun 2014 #14
It's sarcasm marmar Jun 2014 #16
It's... Armstead Jun 2014 #35
This is why there are so many political independents goldent Jun 2014 #32
No, I just simply disagree with their thinking on this. And I still admire and respect all three. kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #13
if those 3 are giving him kudos, Leme Jun 2014 #15
Why would they be "under the bus"? Cause we might disagree w/their opinion on something? KittyWampus Jun 2014 #17
I think it was meant ironically Armstead Jun 2014 #36
Leave Greenwald Alone!!!!...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #18
I happen to agree with these three on practically every thing, including this riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #20
I may be a little slow this morning, or I am slower than usual Leme Jun 2014 #21
When someone is "thrown under the bus" it means that person holds a position riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #22
makes sense, but grassfire started thread, and lots of busses out there : ) nt Leme Jun 2014 #23
I think of it as getting rid of someone who is creating goldent Jun 2014 #33
Ut oh, someone's trying to make sense. Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #24
Kind of says it all malokvale77 Jun 2014 #27
It's getting to be one hell of a big bus, isn't it? villager Jun 2014 #28
I notice that none of them are brave enough to... grasswire Jun 2014 #29
They're wrong on this. There, are you happy? stevenleser Jun 2014 #30

Cha

(297,032 posts)
3. I dunno.. there isn't a link so we don't know what year this was. Besides I
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:13 AM
Jun 2014

don't let Moyers, Maddow, or Moore do my thinking for me.

Cha

(297,032 posts)
8. Just keeps getting worse, imv..
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:46 AM
Jun 2014
Libertarians are poisoning the left and trying to undermine it.

Libertarians are posing as liberals and trying to RATFUCK the left.Their primary goal is to undermine the Democratic Party and hand elections to Republicans.Their strategy consists of...
1) ingratiating themselves with the progressive media
2) Pushing the meme that Democrats are just as bad (or worse) then Republicans
3) Dismissing Racism as "identity politics"
4) Promoting far right wing politicians as "true progressives"
5 convincing disgruntled progressives to vote 3rd party or not vote at all
6) Attack traditional Democratic Voters & their issues

snips//

At a talk given the day after the 2010 election — one that was a disaster for Democrats — “progressive” writer and civil liberties lawyer Glenn Greenwald gave a talk at the University of Wisconsin, and expressed the hope that Democrats might suffer the same fate in 2012.

...the idea that taking money from the Koch brothers for a one-year drug-decriminalization project shouldn’t be disclosed each time Greenwald attacks progressives while defending the Kochs’/libertarians’ pet projects—as when Greenwald defended Citizens United, much to progressives’ confusion, or when Greenwald attacked our article in The Nation about the Koch-funded libertarians leading the anti-TSA union campaign—is plain wrong and ridiculous. Payoffs and influence-peddling usually come in more subtle forms than payments marked “BRIBE.”

dkos

Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist.

snip..

"Mr. Hale, for his role in the shootings, was sued by a number of survivors. This included a case filed by two teenage Orthodox Jewish boys. And another case filed by a Black minister. These people were selected by Benjamin Smith because they looked like the religious/ethnic minorities they are.

And Glenn Greenwald called them 'odious and repugnant' for suing his client--"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002101211

Only it's Greenwald who is "odious and repugnant".. whatever he's posing as.. here he is now trying to keep himself relevant and suppressing the vote in 2012.. when he "expertly previewed the 2012 election"..



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5042077
 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
12. geez
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jun 2014

I am pretty much where Bill Moyers is I think. I have questions where he has questions it seems. I wonder where his radical is. I probably have watched all his PBS shows the last couple decades.
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What is Bill Moyers radical about? Maybe it's a definition newer than what I am accustomed.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Moyers, a former Presidential Press Secretary
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:20 AM
Jun 2014

Is a radical lefty.

That word you keep using does not mean what you think it does

progressoid

(49,963 posts)
31. ???
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:47 AM
Jun 2014

Perhaps I should have used the sarcasm thingie about him. I think we're on the same page about Bill. He's kind of a hero around our house.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. Variances of opinion and free thinking not allowed
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jun 2014

You have to follow a consistent script provided by one "side" or another these days.

You can't for example support gender equality while not being enthusiastic about gun control. You can't agree with some libertarians that the government shouldn't be snooping through your private laundry but agree with progressives that business need to be heavily regulated.

You can't, in other words, think for yourself and have a multiplicity of opinions, including those that might contradict whatever political orthodoxy you're supposed to subscribe to..... There be dragons.



 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
14. I don't see what you are trying to convey
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jun 2014

maybe that journalists now need to be pigeon holed? only report things from a narrow perspective? only report on a narrow range of things?
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what makes it a "have to" function?

goldent

(1,582 posts)
32. This is why there are so many political independents
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:54 AM
Jun 2014

who aren't interested in being a member of a political party.

The UK political parties do not take a standard on a number of issues, saying they are matters of conscience.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
15. if those 3 are giving him kudos,
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:02 AM
Jun 2014

he went up a bit in my estimation, unless those quotes were out of context.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
17. Why would they be "under the bus"? Cause we might disagree w/their opinion on something?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jun 2014

Your insinuation is very Authoritarian in nature. Says more about you than anyone who might disagree w/ a commentator.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
20. I happen to agree with these three on practically every thing, including this
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jun 2014

What saddens me however about the commentary about Snowden and Greenwald are the purists who will slam them for having a non-pure belief 5, 10 or so years ago and so that automatically disqualifies them to comment on anything else (and especially stuff the BOG finds objectionable).

We used to be able to view the nuances of people and their positions.

No more.

Now its everyone must think like us or they're smeared with shifty labels like Obama hater or attention whore etc.

This place has gotten pretty sucky when there's even any sad snark in an OP about some damn fine progressives like these three.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
21. I may be a little slow this morning, or I am slower than usual
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jun 2014

but what bus? and who is driving it ? rather vague to me. Maybe to some here it would be apparent you are talking about the DU bus...or the Democratic bus...or the liberal bus...or the media bus... or something else. I just cannot quite tell.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
22. When someone is "thrown under the bus" it means that person holds a position
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jun 2014

that doesn't match the "ideologically pure" so they are literally dead to them (run over by the group "bus&quot .

Maddow, Moyers and Moore have expressed their admiration for Greenwald so now the small but VERY vocal BOG (members of the Barack Obama Group), must hate these three liberal icons because they've transgressed by admiring a person who is presently one of their ideological "enemies".

Hope that makes sense.



Someone else will probably come along and explain it better.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
33. I think of it as getting rid of someone who is creating
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:58 AM
Jun 2014

problems. You don't throw them under the bus as much as subtly bump then into the street as the bus goes by. Problem solved.

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
24. Ut oh, someone's trying to make sense.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:18 AM
Jun 2014

The propagandists, repukes, narcissists and knee-jerk MSMedia responders that have infested this site could care less about anything making sense.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
29. I notice that none of them are brave enough to...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:57 AM
Jun 2014

....pile on Maddow, Moyers or Moore for their support of Greenwald.

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