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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:29 AM Jun 2014

Critics say Berdahl search caused soldiers' deaths- Pentagon review says charges 'unsubstantiated'

from the NYT:


The release of Sergeant Bergdahl (he was promoted in captivity) has created political problems for the Obama administration, which is having to defend his exchange for five Taliban detainees held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, but it also presents delicate politics for Republicans who are attacking, through surrogates, America’s last known prisoner of war.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

The soldiers began a frantic search for Sergeant Bergdahl using Predator drones, Apache attack helicopters and military tracking dogs. The most intense search operation, leaked war reports show, wound down after eight days — well before the deaths of six soldiers on patrols in Paktika Province in late August and early September. But, complicating matters, some soldiers contend they were effectively searching for 90 days because of clear orders: If they heard rumors from locals that Sergeant Bergdahl might be nearby, they should patrol the area.

The anger toward Sergeant Bergdahl increased exponentially after Sept. 4, when they learned that two members of Third Platoon, which routinely went on tandem missions with Second Platoon and who they believed were also searching for Sergeant Bergdahl, had been killed in an ambush. Pfc. Matthew Martinek and Lt. Darryn Andrews, both of them friends of Mr. Cornelison, died in the ambush. A Defense Department official said it was unclear whether the two men were killed directly because of the search for Sergeant Bergdahl.


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Critics say Berdahl search caused soldiers' deaths- Pentagon review says charges 'unsubstantiated' (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2014 OP
The GOP wanted the POW back...in theory...until they actually got him back. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #1
Also: "In an interview arranged by Republican strategists"-- TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #4
Very likely - they probably had a packet ready if he died too underpants Jun 2014 #7
From the NYT article - how close do these two quotes look? underpants Jun 2014 #13
It's coordinated. Meghan McCain had at least one of these guys TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #14
Precisely. Absolutely spot-on. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #8
republicans complaining Pres. Obama should have staged a raid bigtree Jun 2014 #10
Bookmarked for when the next knucklehead tries to make hay with these accusations. TexasTowelie Jun 2014 #2
amen bigtree Jun 2014 #3
Surprisingly, there is a large contingent of liberals that did not take kindly to his blog. TexasTowelie Jun 2014 #5
Thank you for this bigtree.. it will be most interesting to see what Bowe Bergdahl has Cha Jun 2014 #6
I look forward to hearing that he's healing, Cha bigtree Jun 2014 #9
Appears to be a rush to judgement about what happened and why...it's been disgusting Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #11
not just a rush to judgment, but widespread reporting of these deaths as verifiable fact bigtree Jun 2014 #12
Largely I agree, but what concerns me the most are the soldiers who say they knew him Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #17
goes with the territory bigtree Jun 2014 #23
kickety kick kick kick! librechik Jun 2014 #15
If you read the Rolling Stones story, Bergdahl thought his unit was full of lazy idiots. ieoeja Jun 2014 #16
Another RW lie is started. Ilsa Jun 2014 #18
The Pentagon does answer to The President 951-Riverside Jun 2014 #19
no one should be satisfied with uncorroborated, internet-based claims and charges bigtree Jun 2014 #20
kick bigtree Jun 2014 #21
they were dumped out of incubators frylock Jun 2014 #22

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. The GOP wanted the POW back...in theory...until they actually got him back.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:56 AM
Jun 2014

Now it's on to the next phase: say he's unworthy and should have died over there. These people are just fucking evil.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
4. Also: "In an interview arranged by Republican strategists"--
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:15 AM
Jun 2014

I have come to believe all this sudden "anger" by everyone who ever had the slightest thing to do with Bergdahl was pre-arranged by the Repubs in Congress, who surely knew Bergdahl would be freed soon, in order to shit all over his release for political gain. Goodness, well-written articles appear in the Daily Beast (home to Repub trolls Rogin and Lake) by platoon mates less than 48 hours after it was announced Bergdahl was coming home. Just ready to go, almost written in advance in anticipation of the release.

underpants

(182,763 posts)
7. Very likely - they probably had a packet ready if he died too
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:42 AM
Jun 2014

The basic theme would have included "Obama ... left a soldier behind" etc.

The first thing I noticed about Fox News in the early days was how quickly they got stories out. The lazy MSM mostly takes the first story that anyone puts out and runs with it. No one reads retractions.

underpants

(182,763 posts)
13. From the NYT article - how close do these two quotes look?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jun 2014

Mr. Cornelison and Mr. Full both said they wanted to see Sergeant Bergdahl court-martialed as a deserter. “I’m not going to speak on the political, but I think that now that he’s back, he needs to be held accountable,” Mr. Full said.

Mr. Cornelison echoed Mr. Full. “I won’t get into the politics, but now that he’s back he needs to be held 100 percent accountable,” he said. “For putting myself and 29 other people in my platoon in hell for 90 days.”

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
14. It's coordinated. Meghan McCain had at least one of these guys
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jun 2014

(the Cody guy whose Tweets the day after Bergdahl's release became super-famous somehow, and he was suddenly provided with a right-wing affiliated lawyer named Richard Grenell--all in 24 hours) on her program, according to RW blogs. Think about that. Think about the sudden media availability of all of these "Really Angry" platoon-mates who are lawyering up and all delivering the same message.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
10. republicans complaining Pres. Obama should have staged a raid
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:43 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:48 AM - Edit history (1)

. . . so they could complain about the troops he put in harm's way.

What the hell is wrong with those people?

TexasTowelie

(112,102 posts)
2. Bookmarked for when the next knucklehead tries to make hay with these accusations.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:11 AM
Jun 2014

Mr. Conservative at the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal should be sued for libel and defamation for the blog that he posted on Sunday night.

http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2014-06-01/does-negotiating-terrorists-equate-treason#.U4109ShCz2Q

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
3. amen
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:13 AM
Jun 2014

. . . it's accepted by many folks, even here at DU, as verifiable fact.


. . . sympathies for having to endure that lunkhead in Lubbock.

TexasTowelie

(112,102 posts)
5. Surprisingly, there is a large contingent of liberals that did not take kindly to his blog.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:20 AM
Jun 2014

One of the respondents noted that in the late 60s Dr. May demonstrated retina reattachment surgeries to the Communist Chinese. Therefore, it follows that he could be accused of rendering aid to potential spies. Dr, May is a typical Republican hypocrite and fortunately he lost to Randy Neguebauer in the GOP primary for US House of Representative District #19.

Cha

(297,136 posts)
6. Thank you for this bigtree.. it will be most interesting to see what Bowe Bergdahl has
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:14 AM
Jun 2014

to say when he's ready.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
9. I look forward to hearing that he's healing, Cha
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jun 2014

. . . not anxious to have him exposed to all of this nonsense. I'm thinking he'll have plenty of allies within and without the military when that time comes.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. Appears to be a rush to judgement about what happened and why...it's been disgusting
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jun 2014

to hear other soldiers speak against him when information is not clear.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
12. not just a rush to judgment, but widespread reporting of these deaths as verifiable fact
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jun 2014

. . . really just to demonize and taint Sgt. Bergdahl and the administration; red meat for clicks and ratings; ammunition for knee-jerk calls to punish this soldier based on little more than internet rumor.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. Largely I agree, but what concerns me the most are the soldiers who say they knew him
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jun 2014

and claiming they all along had pertinent information speaking so ill of him. Perhaps it is more about
their losses of fellow soldiers that taints their objectivity..but even so, I find it disturbing.

Much more information is required, they could have waited.

That Republicans would join in to bash Obama is no surprise at all...that is all they ever do.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
16. If you read the Rolling Stones story, Bergdahl thought his unit was full of lazy idiots.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jun 2014

It seems the most likely reason he took off into the mountains was to fight the enemy on his own because he thought he could do a better job alone than with his unit.

When you go around calling people lazy idiots, they just might attack you in return. So I'd take anything they say with a block of salt.


 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
19. The Pentagon does answer to The President
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

I don't expect the Pentagon to say anything that makes the boss look bad and going on the assumption that 5 Taliban were secretly released from Gitmo as trade over a deserter who allegedly caused the deaths of 5-6 soldiers who went looking for him does look VERY bad for the administration.

I don't think we're getting the full details of what exactly happened here and it'll be interesting to see what comes out over the next few weeks. For all we know this could have been a covert operation that went south after the Afghan CIA Station Chief's name was released by accident.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
20. no one should be satisfied with uncorroborated, internet-based claims and charges
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:56 AM
Jun 2014

. . .and 'what comes out over the next few weeks' should be substantiated as verifiable fact before throwing it around the internet to see what sticks.

I'm not buying that the Pentagon is covering something up as you suggest they might. Without evidence to that effect, that assertion would be as reckless and irresponsible as the rest of the claims, so far.

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