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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:14 AM Jun 2014

Hostility to TPP = Hostility to Obama

Hostility to Keystone XL = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to chained CPI = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to NSA = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to inadequate banking regulation = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to increasing income inequality = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to privatizing public schools = Hostility to Obama

Have I missed anything?

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Hostility to TPP = Hostility to Obama (Original Post) eridani Jun 2014 OP
Hostility to Obama = racist djean111 Jun 2014 #1
You mean advocating racism = Hostility to Obama eridani Jun 2014 #2
Here is what i am talking about - djean111 Jun 2014 #4
Oh, OK eridani Jun 2014 #5
You are right, but the REAL purity police have conflated not liking POLICIES with not djean111 Jun 2014 #6
True dat. I find discussing personalities tedious eridani Jun 2014 #8
Yeah, that one grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #38
Nailed it! Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #3
Are you nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #7
Yeah, you're here to whine about President Obama.. because real or imagined everything Cha Jun 2014 #9
Whose fault is TPP and Keystone XL? eridani Jun 2014 #12
Yeah, you do that. Cha Jun 2014 #14
Care to share your reasons for favoring those two policies? n/t eridani Jun 2014 #15
Please tell us what is wrong with the President's geek tragedy Jun 2014 #19
Last I heard, he was in favor ot it eridani Jun 2014 #20
You heard incorrectly. You should listen geek tragedy Jun 2014 #21
Really? Who did you hear that from? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #23
There is nothing to blame Obama for geek tragedy Jun 2014 #18
Delay means he secretly likes it. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #24
Funny that it's Keystone supporters who get pissed geek tragedy Jun 2014 #27
The Cult of Obama is no different then the Cult of Reagan, Bush, Clinton Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #10
And, the cult greenwald and snowden is no different than any other cult except they're Cha Jun 2014 #13
I do not care about either of them they are not elected leaders Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #34
Yes, SamKnause Jun 2014 #11
About .1% of posts critical of the President get hidden geek tragedy Jun 2014 #17
Blaming Obama for rising income inequality or pretending geek tragedy Jun 2014 #16
The President's job is to use his bully pulpit to put pressure on Congress eridani Jun 2014 #22
And every single time he talks jobs, earned benefits, veterans, equal pay for women, cutting msanthrope Jun 2014 #25
The ACA was the single most important wealth geek tragedy Jun 2014 #28
You must be joking on this one Doctor_J Jun 2014 #37
He has used it on wealth inequality. geek tragedy Jun 2014 #26
Then you ignore reality itself. woo me with science Jun 2014 #33
You nailed it. Like the copycat thread of my OP about propaganda woo me with science Jun 2014 #29
hatred of Obama Doctor_J Jun 2014 #30
everyone thinks other people think the way they do--and that's true in general brain-on-brain MisterP Jun 2014 #36
It is only those who seem reluctant to publcly agree with Obama on anything who remind me pampango Jun 2014 #31
Hostility to Prosecuting Bush and Cheney and War Criminals = Hostility to Obama Octafish Jun 2014 #32
Hostility to TPP < hostility to Obama. Adding Obama = "corporatist" or "neo-con" or pampango Jun 2014 #35

eridani

(51,907 posts)
2. You mean advocating racism = Hostility to Obama
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:17 AM
Jun 2014

Never seen it here. Granted, there's plenty of cluelessness about many aspects of racism, but that's an entirely different thing.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Here is what i am talking about -
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:25 AM
Jun 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025039978
The real reason a very loud few are posting hostility toward Barack Obama at DU:
Fake liberals, many of whom are racist and can't tolerate the fact the country is led by a black man, have taken it upon themselves to try to discredit him among the base. They are trying to give a false impression that the American Left opposes the Obama administration and want to oversee its demise - so, those token liberals will often post inflammatory hit pieces on the President and also actively, at times, support conservative libertarians like Rand Paul in his assault against the President. This is of no surprise.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
5. Oh, OK
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:29 AM
Jun 2014

The left opposes quite a few POLICIES of the administration. And supports lots of others, like ACA (often with qualifications), end to DOMA, recent steps toward doing something about climate change, not being a saber-rattling whackjob, etc.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. You are right, but the REAL purity police have conflated not liking POLICIES with not
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:32 AM
Jun 2014

liking Obama, which then is called racism.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
8. True dat. I find discussing personalities tedious
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:38 AM
Jun 2014

Not that I mind occasional photo ops (esp. of Michelle's organic garden). I always say that people who aren't in the mood for cute photo ops should just not click on them.

Cha

(296,780 posts)
9. Yeah, you're here to whine about President Obama.. because real or imagined everything
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:28 AM
Jun 2014

is fucking his fault.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
12. Whose fault is TPP and Keystone XL?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:54 AM
Jun 2014

I'd finger quite a few other perps besides Obama--Hillary Clinton for starters.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
20. Last I heard, he was in favor ot it
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:42 AM
Jun 2014

If he responds to popular pressure and nixes the deal, that will make me very happy.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. You heard incorrectly. You should listen
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:43 AM
Jun 2014

to more credible people.

He has never said he supports it.

Also, majority of the population are soft supporters of Keystone.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. There is nothing to blame Obama for
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:36 AM
Jun 2014

on Keystone, since he hasn't done anything wrong. He's repeatedly delayed the process for deciding on approval, which hurts its sponsors.

So, yes it is evidence of personal bias and animosity to blame him for Keystone.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
27. Funny that it's Keystone supporters who get pissed
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:54 AM
Jun 2014

at those delays. Also, the fact that he denies it would help the economy is some kind of rw plot, obviously.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
10. The Cult of Obama is no different then the Cult of Reagan, Bush, Clinton
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:59 AM
Jun 2014

Same team mindset that is not healthy for a political party or a nation.

I was hoping that once Bush was out of office the Cult of Personality would go away because it seemed more of a republican thing to do, never question the leader, sadly I was wrong in this case.

Perhaps the Democratic Party or at least the current presidents fan boys and girls are different then your traditional democrats consider President Obama and many of his followers are not very liberal or progressive either so it stands to reason their behavior is very similar that of the pubs.

That's just the way I see it, fan boys and girls are very unhealthy.

Cha

(296,780 posts)
13. And, the cult greenwald and snowden is no different than any other cult except they're
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:58 AM
Jun 2014

more hypocritical.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
34. I do not care about either of them they are not elected leaders
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jun 2014

Enjoy the Kool Aid..... Stir it up and pass it around!

SamKnause

(13,087 posts)
11. Yes,
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:06 AM
Jun 2014

you missed a few.

Hostility to Obama's appointments = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to leaving 10,000 troops in Afghanistan = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to looking forwards not backwards = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to drone assassinations of U.S. citizens = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to lobbyists being welcomed with open arms by the White House = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to bipartisanship with the Republicans and the Tea Party = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to the attacks on the press = Hostility to Obama
Hostility to the attacks on whistleblowers = Hostility to Obama

There is little room on this site for any disagreement.

When you disagree you are immediately attacked and accused of being a right wing troll, or your post is hidden.



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. About .1% of posts critical of the President get hidden
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:32 AM
Jun 2014

And when they do, the majority of the time it's because the criticism is trollish.

So, sorry if 99.9% of criticism being allowed makes you feel oppressed.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. Blaming Obama for rising income inequality or pretending
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:29 AM
Jun 2014

that is his goal certainly is hostility towards him.

It is also false and misleading. Wealth distribution only gets changed via progressive taxation and redistribution of the peoceeds. And that is Congress's job.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
22. The President's job is to use his bully pulpit to put pressure on Congress
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:44 AM
Jun 2014

He's doing that for climate change, so he can do it for inequality too.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
25. And every single time he talks jobs, earned benefits, veterans, equal pay for women, cutting
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:52 AM
Jun 2014

the defense budget, he is doing just that.

Give him a Congress that might pass something in 2014.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
28. The ACA was the single most important wealth
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:56 AM
Jun 2014

inequality remedy to pass Congress in a generation as well.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
37. You must be joking on this one
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jun 2014

do you really believe the ACA is going to cost the super-rich in this country money? That this law is going to transfer money from the rich to the poor? Because that's what you wrote. And if you really believe that you need to try to break out of the BOG bubble and confront the truth.

In the past three years the S&P 500 health sector index has gone from 400 to 700 (up 75%). Over the last year it has gone from 550 to 700 (up 23%)

Whatever the ACA is (around 12 million new people eligible to pay profiteers for a basic necessity), it is definitely not a downward redistribution of wealth.

This is my problem with hero-worship. It makes people block out the truth.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
33. Then you ignore reality itself.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:35 AM
Jun 2014

You ignore the President's own appointments and policy decisions.

You ignore the entire record, which shows repeated, proactive implementation of a corporate agenda, not someone trying to implement liberal policies and merely being obstructed.


The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3202395

CUT THE CRAP! Your Month in Review from the most "progressive" administration ever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025006297

Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014336360


This is the problem with propaganda. It defies reality. It tells us that 2+2=5, when everyday around us, we directly observe that 2+2=4.

No, our real problem is corporate money deluging our elections, both parties, our media, and all three branches of government. It drives policy in the Republican Party, and it drives policy under Third Way Democrats and this administration. Pretending that the President has not actively worked on behalf of corporate interests (and that the next corporate-backed President won't, either, unless we can fix this corrupted system) is, quite simply, inconsistent with reality.



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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
29. You nailed it. Like the copycat thread of my OP about propaganda
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:57 AM
Jun 2014

that tried to mirror the thread, but reduced the entire OP in the subject line to being mean to Obama.

Talk about revealing.

Obama will be gone in two years. These infrastructures for spying and propaganda will stay.

Was just talking in another thread about the twisted relationship with voters that goes hand in hand with corporate purchase of politicians. Messaging control and propaganda supersede representing the people, so that you are constantly marketing what you have already decided to do, rather than actually representing/trying to respond to what voters want and need.

Hence, we get the authoritarian focus on "message control" in the party: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5040399

We get lectures to shut up and be quiet during election seasons so as not to disturb the plans of our delicate leaders, instead of demanding to know what candidates stand for and engaging in participatory democracy.

The President responds to news about NSA abuses of power by concluding that Americans merely need to be made "comfortable" with spying,

And nobody bats an eye when the President selects Cass Sunstein, author of online "cognitive infiltration" campaigns to manipulate, propagandize, and smear American citizens.

It's like a weird, sick mirror of what democracy is supposed to be about, coming directly from corporate Madison Avenue. And it will continue long after Obama is gone from office, if we continue to tolerate it.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
36. everyone thinks other people think the way they do--and that's true in general brain-on-brain
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jun 2014

comparisons: but they really do think we only call them cultists because we're in a cult of our own

opposing al Qaeda in Libya and Syria = hatred for Obama

pampango

(24,692 posts)
31. It is only those who seem reluctant to publcly agree with Obama on anything who remind me
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:17 AM
Jun 2014

of folks on the other end of the political spectrum. Obviously there is no DU rule that 100% of posts should be pro-Obama. (Nor should there be unless we are going to go all "North Korea" here.) But if 100% of posts are Obama-critical that reminds one of posters on other web forums that are, let's say, not "Democratic" in nature - to say the least.

But, you might say, this criticism of Obama is from the left not the right. Leaving aside that sometimes criticisms from "lefter than Obama" and the far-right sound similar, e.g. the threat that TPP and TTIP (and other international treaties and agreemnents) pose to US "national sovereignty", the unrelenting nature of the criticism is quite similar. Perhaps I just miss the "but I do agree with Obama on this" posts from those individuals but it seems at times like they consider Obama to be an anathema who can never be praised for fear of contaminating their brand which, again, is eerily similar to what you will find on those other sites.

None of us agree with Obama (or anyone else for that matter) on everything. The only way I would agree with everything a president did would be if pampango were president. Even then DU pampango might disagree with President pampango. The former would be free to post that he would do this or that with no fear of the repercussions of or responsibility for what happened next, while the latter would ultimate responsibility for the consequences of his words or actions.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. Hostility to Prosecuting Bush and Cheney and War Criminals = Hostility to Obama
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:22 AM
Jun 2014

Hostility to Prosecuting Banksters = Hostility to Obama

Hostility to Nuclear Power = Hostility to Obama

pampango

(24,692 posts)
35. Hostility to TPP < hostility to Obama. Adding Obama = "corporatist" or "neo-con" or
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jun 2014

"republican", now that = hostility to Obama.

We can all disagree with Obama on a number of issues and explain why we think he is wrong and we are right. That does not mean we are "hostile" towards Obama. It means we are thinking for ourselves.

When we start calling Obama names that equals "hostility". One could argue that is a "justifiable" hostility, but not that it is not hostility to Obama.

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