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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:23 AM Jun 2014

Black Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Hand-Cuffed and Arrested Across the US:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/black-children-young-kindergarteners-are-getting-hand-cuffed-and-arrested-across-us



Americans should take a long look in the mirror before criticizing other nations for human rights abuses. The law enforcement system in the United States ranks among the worst in the world in the cruel treatment meted out to its citizens. Even children in this country are not safe if they are black and unlucky enough to interact with the police. Of all the various ethnic and national groups in the United States, only black people have to worry that their child may be pushed through a glass window by officers of the law.

A recent study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology demonstrated what black people have always known. Black children are dehumanized to such an extent that they aren’t perceived as children at all. They are assumed to be older, less innocent and inherently guilty of some wrong doing. Study co-author Matthew Jackson said, “With the average age overestimation for black boys exceeding four-and-a-half years, in some cases, black children may be viewed as adults when they are just 13 years old.” Two recent cases involving the New York City police department show the truth of these words and the perils black people face even in childhood.

Black girls are also at risk of police brutality, as a 15 year-old and a 16 year-old discovered in Brooklyn, New York on March 27, 2014. An altercation between police and a group of teens resulted in one of the unidentified girls being thrown to the ground and another being pushed through a window. There is video evidence of one of the girls with a very deep cut on her face. According to witnesses, the police were not content to push her through the glass and arrest her. They also delayed in providing her with needed medical attention.

“Javier Payne was already under arrest and handcuffed when a police officer shoved him through a store window.”

In the Bronx, New York on May 17, 2014, a 14 year-old boy was also pushed through a window by police and came close to death. As first reported by the Juvenile Justice Information Exchange, Javier Payne was already under arrest and handcuffed when a police officer shoved him through a store window too. The police added insult to his injuries when they did not notify EMS of a pediatric emergency, instead calling in the case as if Payne were a drunken derelict. When paramedics finally arrived on the scene they pleaded for Payne to be uncuffed so that they might provide appropriate treatment.
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Black Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Hand-Cuffed and Arrested Across the US: (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2014 OP
Calhoun was right. chervilant Jun 2014 #1
it seems a distinct possibility. nt xchrom Jun 2014 #2
Calhoun...who? nt alp227 Jun 2014 #47
John Calhoun, chervilant Jun 2014 #55
it has less to do with them being black santroy79 Jun 2014 #3
What do you mean by "lets not forget..." morningfog Jun 2014 #4
I alerted, and the jury was divided. alp227 Jun 2014 #48
Thanks for trying. Number23 Jun 2014 #57
Unbelievable. PotatoChip Jun 2014 #67
I know right? ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #75
The poster went a bit too far but alerting was a little overboard Reter Jun 2014 #86
It seems there's this big gray area when it comes to hide-worthy posts. alp227 Jun 2014 #88
Yeah, it was very gray area Reter Jun 2014 #100
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #74
"are not raised correctly and are problem youths" TBF Jun 2014 #8
I predict that you'll enjoy a long and fruitful posting tenure here @ DU Orrex Jun 2014 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #72
His post didn't deserve a comment MattBaggins Jun 2014 #81
Now I'm sorry that I missed it Orrex Jun 2014 #90
Are you fucking kidding me? MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #15
ty for calling this one out. redruddyred Jun 2014 #16
It's code for a slur. MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #23
What bs laundry_queen Jun 2014 #17
Don't worry. Orrex Jun 2014 #18
What the hell kinda racist crap is this??? nyabingi Jun 2014 #19
Hmmm... greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #26
I think you meant to post at this place: CrispyQ Jun 2014 #36
He/she probably started there. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #82
Go home. bravenak Jun 2014 #52
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #54
. fishwax Jun 2014 #56
Really?!? chervilant Jun 2014 #58
Bullshit MattBaggins Jun 2014 #73
It couldn't possible have anything to do with, oh, say ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #76
"lets not forget?" Supersedeas Jun 2014 #108
Alternet again? Try a reliable source JJChambers Jun 2014 #5
Did you read the studies cites in the article? morningfog Jun 2014 #9
Did you? JJChambers Jun 2014 #11
So you don't deny the accuracy of the headline or the article. Got it. morningfog Jun 2014 #25
Lol. Keep trying. *high five* JJChambers Jun 2014 #28
This is too easy: morningfog Jun 2014 #30
Did you misread the headline? JJChambers Jun 2014 #38
I just showed you the headline was accurate. morningfog Jun 2014 #40
My mistake JJChambers Jun 2014 #42
I'm here to help. There is a cure for willful ignorance. morningfog Jun 2014 #44
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #45
Here's another! JJChambers Jun 2014 #39
BECAUSE THESE GIRLS STABBED ANOTHER GIRL MULTIPLE TIMES. alp227 Jun 2014 #49
I totally see what you are doing now. bravenak Jun 2014 #51
Yes, he IS intentionally billh58 Jun 2014 #62
It made me think about how right wingers send people out to join DU just to make us look bad. bravenak Jun 2014 #65
I doubt that he will "chill" billh58 Jun 2014 #66
Good. bravenak Jun 2014 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #70
Welcome back. billh58 Jun 2014 #71
No longer with us. nt michreject Jun 2014 #77
I guess five hides billh58 Jun 2014 #78
Aw man, I missed it. morningfog Jun 2014 #94
The author of post #54 in this thread has billh58 Jun 2014 #107
i don't give a fuck about what you think. don't click xchrom Jun 2014 #10
Disruptors gonna disrupt. morningfog Jun 2014 #31
I don't believe that he is billh58 Jun 2014 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Jun 2014 #64
Try this source intaglio Jun 2014 #13
this: Leme Jun 2014 #27
To both you and JJ: gollygee Jun 2014 #59
well, this seems typical use of headline siimilar to Fox and all media Leme Jun 2014 #60
I see you also think the title misleading Leme Jun 2014 #61
Well those private prisons have to be fed malaise Jun 2014 #6
Precisely...... marmar Jun 2014 #22
I fundamentally disagree with the authors statement davidpdx Jun 2014 #7
Does it work the other way too ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #83
I think we should talk about it davidpdx Jun 2014 #84
How do people put this behind them and walk into school thinking that the Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #14
people in NYC can't even leave their homes without ridiculous hassle from police! Sunlei Jun 2014 #20
It's almost like it's some kind of indocrination/preparation ........... marmar Jun 2014 #21
For Black people in the United States, nyabingi Jun 2014 #24
Yes, yes, yes, and hell yes. bravenak Jun 2014 #69
But B ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #87
Yes, but power corrupts. bravenak Jun 2014 #91
"come to Jesus moment" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #93
Absolutely. White people perpetuate this shit at their (our) own peril. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #97
Preach It! NOLALady Dec 2014 #112
I see you found one of my little gems. bravenak Dec 2014 #113
Race is such a funny thing because it's all nyabingi Jun 2014 #102
Welcome to DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #85
I've read DU for a while nyabingi Jun 2014 #104
Glad you decided to start posting. redqueen Jun 2014 #105
Very strong post gollygee Jun 2014 #103
Many different titles that could have been used and supported in what you posted Leme Jun 2014 #29
The headline is accurate and part of the problem discussed by the studies. morningfog Jun 2014 #32
effective journalism ??? Leme Jun 2014 #35
The OP posted the headline as it appears at alternet. morningfog Jun 2014 #41
bait and switch or like I said "sensationalism" Leme Jun 2014 #43
"Effective propaganda"? Yeah, who could be silly enough to think institutional racism actually nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #98
no idea what yoiu are saying, this was not effective writing imo..I did not go to link Leme Jun 2014 #109
These stories may be anecdotal, individually, but in the aggregate they point to a serious problem. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #110
like i said, people who use bait and switch, or tricks to get me to read something Leme Jun 2014 #111
They are conditioned to hate POC & are not given proper training on handling people without ... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #33
SMH Mr Dixon Jun 2014 #34
I agree Oilwellian Jun 2014 #37
I remember when a friend and I we were classmates we were asked to run an errand for our teacher. JRLeft Jun 2014 #46
kick Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #50
K&R gollygee Jun 2014 #53
K&R n/t billh58 Jun 2014 #79
Other than the headline, I see nothing about kindergarteners. uppityperson Jun 2014 #80
This thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #89
And people in this country have the audacity to proclaim racism no longer exists here. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #92
Because treating all darker-skinned folks as "thugs" and criminals, to them, is just the natural way nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #99
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #95
It is sickening. It is child abuse and it seems to me this country needs an intervention from sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #96
The GOP must be so proud of their racial hatred platform. nt valerief Jun 2014 #101
As are those "plants" on DU who billh58 Jun 2014 #106
 

santroy79

(193 posts)
3. it has less to do with them being black
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:55 AM
Jun 2014

and more to do with them being from poor neighborhoods. Poor white & Spanish getting treated like crap also. Its just that a higher population of blacks come from these neighborhoods.

and lets not forget a lot of these kids come from awful families and are not raised correctly and are problem youths

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. What do you mean by "lets not forget..."
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:00 AM
Jun 2014

What do you mean by "lets not forget a lot of these kids come from awful families and are not raised correctly and are problem youths?"

Did you read the article?

alp227

(31,962 posts)
48. I alerted, and the jury was divided.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014
On Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:16 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

it has less to do with them being black
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5042237

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Nice try at dog whistle racism by combining that "less to do with them being black" phrase but then ending with "a lot of these kids come from awful families and are not raised correctly and are problem youths." I wouldn't have alerted if the last sentence wasn't included, because the last sentence is pretty much the same argument used by Thomas Sowell http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell041911.php3

"President Barack Obama has joined the chorus of those deploring bullying. But his own administration is pushing the notion that a disproportionate number of suspensions or other punishments for members of particular racial or ethnic groups is discriminatory. In other words, if a school suspends more black males than Asian females, that is taken as a sign of discrimination. No one in his right mind really believes that, but it is part of the grand make-believe that pervades our politics and even our courts."

Sorry. This is over-the-top, insensitive, bigoted, and also echoes right wing propagandists like Sowell. Remember, racists have done an excellent job repackaging their bigotry for polite society, from Reagan making a speech about "states' rights" in Mississippi, to Newt Gingrich's "food stamp president" quip about Obama.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:24 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I usually allow opinion to stay but this is over-the-top hurtful, as well as wrong.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree that the last sentence is a red flag. Poster should have read the article.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is their opinion -- that poor children are more likely to be mistreated. The last sentence IS troubling but we'll get this poster when/if they clearly they step over the line. They didn't quite cross it this time IMHO
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: let the light shine on them...
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you.

alp227

(31,962 posts)
88. It seems there's this big gray area when it comes to hide-worthy posts.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:07 PM
Jun 2014

There are lots of sleazy posts that don't push the limits enough for many jurors, it seems.

Response to morningfog (Reply #4)

Response to Orrex (Reply #12)

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
18. Don't worry.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jun 2014

I'm sure that these "problem youths" are "urban," but that has nothing to do with race, of course.

Response to santroy79 (Reply #3)

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
76. It couldn't possible have anything to do with, oh, say
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jun 2014
there are not white children?

Are white children getting handcuffed for the same behaviors?
 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
5. Alternet again? Try a reliable source
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:08 AM
Jun 2014

The two or three specific instances of police brutality described in the article are heinous and shocking and should result in immediate prosecution and termination for the policemen involved. That said, in typical Alternet fashion, the misleading and inflammatory headline Black Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Hand-Cuffed and Arrested Across the US: is supported by exactly zero specifics, zero data, and zero information to support such an outlandish claim.

Alternet might as well write: Black Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Abducted by Aliens Across the US:

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
9. Did you read the studies cites in the article?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:09 AM
Jun 2014

Are you claiming that black children as young as 5 and 6 have not been handcuffed in the US? Surely not, that would be foolish.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
11. Did you?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jun 2014

The US is a populous country. Undoubtedly there are cases in which children of every conceivable racial and ethnic background have been arrested at some point or another.

That has exactly what to do with the inflammatory and unsupported title of this article? Mayhaps I missed it, but please quote the portion of the article that provides specific data and the dozens (hundreds?) of cases that support this assertion of Black kindergarten children being arrested "across the US."

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
38. Did you misread the headline?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:17 AM
Jun 2014

You're posting random juvenile arrests. For example, the first link you posted was about white elementary school students lawfully arrested pursuant to a violent fight. That supports the article's headline about Black kindergartners being handcuffed across the United States... How, exactly?

The fact is that Alternet is not and has never been anything more than a tabloid. It just happens to be a tabloid designed to appeal to some of our fellow Democrats who would prefer not to use their critical thinking skills. Alternet is our version of the right winger's Brietbart or Fox News.

It is ridiculous on it's face and most of us prefer to use logic, facts and reason when we evaluate information. Alternet uses none of these. It's tabloid propaganda and we are better than that.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
40. I just showed you the headline was accurate.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jun 2014

The content of the report is accurate. You are still bemoaning? You have yet to disprove anything in the headline or report. You are only giving us insight into your bias and motive for posting here.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
42. My mistake
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jun 2014

It's clear to me now. Police arresting white elementary students after a violent fight in Baltimore IS evidence of police handcuffing black kindergarten students across the United States. How could I have been so off base?

Response to morningfog (Reply #44)

alp227

(31,962 posts)
49. BECAUSE THESE GIRLS STABBED ANOTHER GIRL MULTIPLE TIMES.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jun 2014

The black kids in the links scattered throughout this thread did NOTHING in comparison with what the Wisconsin girls did. Sheesh.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
51. I totally see what you are doing now.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

I am not amused. Thise girls lured a girl into the woods and stabbed her nearly to death. And they are not 5 or 6. This is what they do to a black boy of that age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney


http://m.





You are really getting to the point where you are intentionally offensive.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
62. Yes, he IS intentionally
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

offensive on most threads that he participates in, and his transparency page plainly shows his true motives for being on DU: to disrupt.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
65. It made me think about how right wingers send people out to join DU just to make us look bad.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe i am wrong but i did warn him a few days ago not to call morningfog morning frog. It's just so CC, the way they change our names to parody names. I was not aware when i alerted that he had that many hidden posts so soon and would be unable to post for a while. Maybe he'll chill on being offensive when he comes back.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
66. I doubt that he will "chill"
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jun 2014

and I highly suspect that he has been PPRd before. I believe that MIRT is watching him.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
68. Good.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jun 2014

I let him know that there is a place called 'Discussionist' that may be suited to his needs. I have been there and i had fun for the most part.

Response to morningfog (Reply #30)

billh58

(6,635 posts)
107. The author of post #54 in this thread has
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jun 2014

also been given a free 30-day vacation to FR (or the RW site of his/her choice). This place seems to be crawling with socks and zombies lately.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
10. i don't give a fuck about what you think. don't click
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:10 AM
Jun 2014

on my threads if you don't like it. that way you'll stop bothering your self.

Response to billh58 (Reply #63)

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
27. this:
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jun 2014
the misleading and inflammatory headline Black Children as Young as Kindergarteners Are Getting Hand-Cuffed and Arrested Across the US: is supported by exactly zero specifics, zero data, and zero information to support such an outlandish claim.
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I have no idea what this thread is really about.
 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
60. well, this seems typical use of headline siimilar to Fox and all media
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jun 2014

and political guiding persons, PACs, and all the other slimy people trying to provide lies to America.
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They just want you to tune in and spend some time while they ply you with propaganda.
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And one can often spot a bait and switch, or an out and out propaganda... when they talk about things OTHER THAN WHAT THEY CLAIMED THEY WOULD.
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Things that seem related, and possibly are, but they talk about things OTHER THAN WHAT THEY CLAIMED THEY WOULD.
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These things that are shown on page are ok..... but not what is claimed by title. Maybe just cherry picked a sentence out of an entire article ... and then provides other information. I think it's an advertising and marketing gimmick. Just like the National Enquirer and such headlines. Should be beneath whatever dignity this site has. I am a bit ashamed such tactics are used here. Even if in a good cause.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
61. I see you also think the title misleading
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jun 2014

I didn't bother to read most of the posts when I saw what was occurring with the title and lack of reference to it on this page...and that the reader was being led to a site/ page elsewhere.
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You state: .......is supported by exactly zero specifics, zero data, and zero information to support such an outlandish claim
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which is even worse than what I figured.
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thanks for standing up for integrity in posting

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
7. I fundamentally disagree with the authors statement
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:44 AM
Jun 2014
Americans should take a long look in the mirror before criticizing other nations for human rights abuses. The law enforcement system in the United States ranks among the worst in the world in the cruel treatment meted out to its citizens.


Are African-American kids being abused through use of force by authorities? Yes

Is it important to identify these instances and find ways to stop such use of force? Absolutely

Should we ignore human rights abuses because they happen here. Fuck no

We have every fucking right and obligation to bring forward information on human rights abuses anywhere. This is what I don't get about some of the people who call themselves liberals. If human rights are happening anywhere it is a crime against humanity and we should care.

Yes, there are plenty of issues that need to be dealt with in the United States, but that doesn't mean we should tell people in the rest of the world that they are shit out of luck.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
83. Does it work the other way too ...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:47 PM
Jun 2014

as in, the DU argument: "The US has no moral authority to talk about invasions because we're in Iraq and Afghanistan"?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
84. I think we should talk about it
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:51 PM
Jun 2014

Despite being dead wrong about starting two wars. Almost everyone on DU opposes those wars and I believe now the majority of Americans think the decision was a wrong one. Hindsight is 20/20. If we hadn't had a jackass for a president in 2001, things may have turned out better.

Baitball Blogger

(46,576 posts)
14. How do people put this behind them and walk into school thinking that the
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:49 AM
Jun 2014

curriculum offers them any kind of escape when they look around and see people of all ages that look like them going through the same thing?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. people in NYC can't even leave their homes without ridiculous hassle from police!
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jun 2014

These are just kids, they should be treated with respect by police. There is no need to use cuffs.

If they're unruly have them sit in a group and tell them they won't be allowed to leave until they're quiet.

marmar

(76,991 posts)
21. It's almost like it's some kind of indocrination/preparation ...........
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:36 AM
Jun 2014

This so pisses me off. Angry K/R.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
24. For Black people in the United States,
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jun 2014

existence is still pretty much what I call the "plantation code", wherein our actions are constantly being monitored and viewed suspiciously, wherein every white person seems to feel it is their responsibility to patrol us and keep a wary eye on what we're doing.

Every Black person has most likely experienced walking into a restaurant, store, etc. and had every white eye turn towards them and conversations slowly become muted. Every Black person has probably been stalked around a store at some point and I'm sure all the security cameras embedded in the ceiling are probably trained on me as soon as I walk in the door of a department store.

It's no surprise that young Black children are treated harshly by overseers (of every race) because it fits the plantation atmosphere they will experience for the rest of their lives. Despite having close relationships with many white people, I think there will always be a part of me that feels that Black people would be better off (happier and less stressed) if we lived separate.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
69. Yes, yes, yes, and hell yes.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jun 2014

I feel like that all the time, my shrink thinks being black caused my anxiety attacks. Just being watched everywhere you go gets to be a burden, i feel guilty walking into Nordstroms with a platnum card and a pocket full of cash. Every 2 minutes it's ' can i help you find something?' Over and over until i just lose it a yell, 'i will let you know if i heed help, go away!'

I feel bad for white people in America in about a hundred years or so. How the people of the future will use the past to justify the backlash against the descendants of oppressors. How they will use prescidents made today to gerrymander districts to disenfranchise them as the counrty gets browner and browner. Things change, power shifts, and people do harm to others out of revenge or anger.
I sometimes think that the one drop rule that was their pride will be their downfall. It only takes one generation to make you black, one drop, how long until the majority of white folks become brown people. My husband looks white, white skin, straight hair, and will get enraged if he is called white. He does not identify with them even when his hair starts turning blond in the sun.
My uncle is white but he considers himself black because he got about one drop from my grandfather who did consider himself white, blond hair greeneyed and swears he's the blackest man on earth. He married my husbands sister and they have three blond haired, green eyed, white skinned BLACK kids. They do not consider themselves white either. One drop, ya know.

I noticed that when that kid recently went on a shooting, stabbing, driving, murder spree, many white folks here were screaming that he wasn't white, he was asian. They wont even claim their people unless they are pure white, sad really. Black people claim aaaalllll of ours even if they are half, a quarter, one drop, we do not care. If your great great great grandmother is black, welcome to the family.i think sometimes that i should tell them and help them get some perspective, but i do not bother. Better for my grandkids in the long run as they wont be as small of a minority as we are now.
Especially since there are so many mixed marriages, more kids for us to claim. I'll take em alll.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
87. But B ...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jun 2014
I feel bad for white people in America in about a hundred years or so. How the people of the future will use the past to justify the backlash against the descendants of oppressors.


It won't be Black folks condemning ... that is not our history, that's not how we have historically rolled.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
91. Yes, but power corrupts.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

And not everyone is as enlightened as you or i. Many still judge us based solely on skin color. You even see it here with white liberals saying thing about black people like, the fathers 'leave' their children, the women have too many babies, the men don' pay child support and choose to go to jail instead. Many sweeping generalizations are made about blacks even by enlightened liberals. We have members who post black crime statistics on here to prove blacks are more likely to be criminals. If these enlightened liberals of our time are dishing out racist doctrine today, i have no idea what people may do in the future. This stuff is not hidden in peoples thoughts, they write it down and send it out into the world, never to be forgotten are the attitudes towards us today.
Maybe one day there will be enough people that have been otherized to completely level the playing field.
By the time i die the majority will be on the way to becoming a minority and once that happens their supremacy will end. They will have to scrape and scrap with the rest of us while having historically been on the side of power, once power shifts they will stop being the standard , and the winner's history they have written will not be what is taught. Manifest destiny will become the genocide of the first nations, states rights will become the rape of africa, the bill of rights will be the bill of white mens rights. They will not see America in that glorious way it was seen in the past. The pilgrims fleeing religious persecution will be seen as illegal immigrant murdering savages, and tracing your lineage back to the mayflower wont get you a hive five anymore, maybe a dirty look.
That's what i mean. Their color will no longer be something to be proud of, or lord over others, they will become just like us. But we are used to being uncomfortable in our skin, so i feel sorry for them. And the fighting tooth and nail to hold on to power and to lock us up, and investigate us and otherize everyone will be remembered in history. Every kid they slam up against a wall and search today will be there accusing, their children will hear the stories and read the history and will know. And they will know that the majority did not help, not notice, and did not care. They will read these peoples words blaming us for the things that society does to us and calling us names and slurs. I and my husband teach our kids to be kind, but what about the kids whose fathers are in jail for life for a non violent crime? Who teaches them not to seek revenge? Those kids whose dad is in jail and mom works two jobs, who teaches them not to be bitter? The kids that are called thugs and who get services cut just because they are 'urban'? What will they do when the power shifts, be magnanimous or be selfish like the majority is today? Will they vote to push others down for their own benefit like today's republican party or just say that was the past like we have been told so many times? I ponder these things all the time because i think that there will be a come to Jesus moment for the majority in about 30 years, when i get old and grey. And i don't think it will be pretty.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
102. Race is such a funny thing because it's all
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jun 2014

based on outward appearance since someone's genetic makeup can't be seen. There are a helluva lot of white people walking around today with some Black genes from the not-so-distant past (technically, every human has African genetics going back far enough) but have no idea those genes are there. Tiger Woods discovered that his "Cablinasian" genetics didn't count for much after Fuzzy Zoeller made the fried chicken joke about him - wake up call for Tiger lol!

The future for this country is definitely getting browner (as is the world), but I don't really think there will be much of a revenge factor when that happens. As you know, we are a very forgiving and patient people as far as the past goes, and despite hundreds of years of horrible treatment, I don't think there is a strong impulse in the Black community to get revenge for what was done to us. Now I think that many whites have a fear that eventual revenge is on the table for the future, but I think that comes from guilt (i.e., knowing you've wronged someone and fearing they want to return the favor).

I feel you on the anxiety thing - I feel that sometimes myself. There can be a whole academic industry built around studying the effects of racism and its long-term effects on Black people. It's a constant irritation and annoyance that white people simply don't have to deal with during their everyday lives.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
104. I've read DU for a while
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jun 2014

but have only recently started posting stuff here.

I spent a lot of my time previously debating very right-wing folk on conservative websites (like David Horowitz's Frontpage) but eventually grew tired of seeing how twisted the minds of some of those people are (and how there are some people who are NEVER going to respect you because of your skin color).

I've gotten into it with people here on international affairs, but it's nice being able to agree with others for a change! =)

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
29. Many different titles that could have been used and supported in what you posted
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jun 2014

Having to go to links to find where the title is supported is "sensationalism" imo.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
32. The headline is accurate and part of the problem discussed by the studies.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jun 2014

That it draws more attention with that framing is effective journalism.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
35. effective journalism ???
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jun 2014

apparently not. I didn't go to link.
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effective propaganda? perhaps.
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If he wanted to show what title said, he should have it in the paragraphs posted here... or just show the link.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
41. The OP posted the headline as it appears at alternet.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jun 2014

As DU posters should do. Is your problem with xchrom or alternet?

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
43. bait and switch or like I said "sensationalism"
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jun 2014

If poster wants me to spend time looking for the sensation aspect of a title, don't post a lot of other stuff... just post the link.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
98. "Effective propaganda"? Yeah, who could be silly enough to think institutional racism actually
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:34 AM
Jun 2014

exists? No problem here, none at all...

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
110. These stories may be anecdotal, individually, but in the aggregate they point to a serious problem.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jun 2014

Namely that many black children are treated as potential (or even actual) criminals from a very early age, far more so than their white counterparts. Many white people seem to think that African-Americans are virtually born with criminal tendencies.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
111. like i said, people who use bait and switch, or tricks to get me to read something
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jun 2014

often do not succeed. Their integrity...and thus their agenda .. is in doubt. I seldom spend my time.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
33. They are conditioned to hate POC & are not given proper training on handling people without ...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

... confirmation bias

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
34. SMH
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jun 2014

Not surprising this has been happening to minorities for decades, the beauty of it is now the internet that allows for the evil under-belly to be exposed. Some people are outrage as if this is new trust me it is not. IMO this is conditioning for the future residents of the prison industrial complex, it’s up to the kids and parents to think 1st react 2nd people need to recognize the agenda and do the exact opposite of what is expected. No more horse and carrot.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
46. I remember when a friend and I we were classmates we were asked to run an errand for our teacher.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jun 2014

We were there to pick up an envelope from the one of the Vice principals, when a white female student was brought back to the school and to the principal's office for truancy. He stopped in front of us and said you need to go to class so you do not end up like them. He made the assumption that we were in trouble.

On another occasion I was pulled over by police and the officer ran my license and registration and said you have no warrants or record but that is because I haven't been caught yet.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
80. Other than the headline, I see nothing about kindergarteners.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:35 PM
Jun 2014

It is bad enough without having to resort to sensationalizing exaggerations. But if there is something about kindergarteners, please let me know as I'd like to see that. Thanks.

 

antiGOPin294

(53 posts)
92. And people in this country have the audacity to proclaim racism no longer exists here.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:46 PM
Jun 2014

From my honest observations, it seems like racist feelings have only intensified in the past few years, and encouraged by hate media such as Fox news. And I fear things will only get worse in the future. I hope I'm wrong, though.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
99. Because treating all darker-skinned folks as "thugs" and criminals, to them, is just the natural way
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:39 AM
Jun 2014

of things. And those who dare to object, if black or brown, are "race baiters" while those white folks who object are called "self-loathing" (AKA the contemporary equivalent of "ni**er lover&quot .

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
96. It is sickening. It is child abuse and it seems to me this country needs an intervention from
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jun 2014

outside for the way it treats its minorities AND anyone who protests these abuses of power. Because there is no chance anyone in power here is going to try to stop it. They are more likely to ENCOURAGE it.

This is child abuse, what are they so afraid of, a little kindergarten aged child, in handcuffs? There is something sick about all of it.

Parents should sue these brutal cops for child abuse. Better yet they should be arrested for child abuse, but that would require living in a civilized society so it isn't going to happen here.

And yet, we have people right here on DU who have no problem giving these thugs, not just the cops, those who hire them and give the okay to 'crack down' on the people, MORE power, the power to SPY on the American people. We know who will be targeted first with those powers.

Shameful.

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