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HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:35 AM Jun 2014

Slum Life In New York City During the Nineteenth Century's Gilded Age

This is "Laissez-Fail".

Here's what life would be like without social services, laws or regulations of any kind, with as small a government as you could imagine and corporate America's "you're worth what you're worth" wage acumen. Put the economy in the hands of the Peter Thiels, Peter Schiffs, Thomas Petterfys, the Kochs, Bernie Marcuses and Ken Langones of the world, and this is what you're going to get. This canyon-gapped two-tiered life is what they would love to send us back to.

Some "utopia" . . . .

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Slum Life In New York City During the Nineteenth Century's Gilded Age (Original Post) HughBeaumont Jun 2014 OP
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #1
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #2
I've been in some of these many vacant homes and let me tell you justiceischeap Jun 2014 #3
It is cheaper to provide housing to the homeless woo me with science Jun 2014 #4
+1000 nt Javaman Jun 2014 #10
indeed often what is ethical is often also sound economics. redruddyred Jun 2014 #12
How many jobs would be created by fixing them up? baldguy Jun 2014 #8
Some are beyond repair. justiceischeap Jun 2014 #9
It'd be interesting to see social costs of homelessness vs cost of repair. HughBeaumont Jun 2014 #19
A few years back when I was in community development..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #13
That's great work you did there. justiceischeap Jun 2014 #18
And we are ctsnowman Jun 2014 #5
+100. closeupready Jun 2014 #6
"Those who don't learn from the past are conemned to repeat it" Armstead Jun 2014 #7
george satayana. redruddyred Jun 2014 #14
George Santayana DeSwiss Jun 2014 #15
Thanks...actually that goes with my "Baby Theory of Life" Armstead Jun 2014 #16
Energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed: DeSwiss Jun 2014 #17
Fascinating Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #11

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
3. I've been in some of these many vacant homes and let me tell you
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:41 AM
Jun 2014

I would not allow anyone to live there. Many are not fit for human habitation. If they haven't been ravaged by fire, they've been ravaged by the elements and scrappers (people who go into abandoned homes and tear out all the copper and wiring they can find).

However, I wish it were that easy to just give the homeless a vacant property. That said, many homeless already live in these properties, so....

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
4. It is cheaper to provide housing to the homeless
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:45 AM
Jun 2014

than to pay for the social problems caused by homelessness.

But even if it weren't, human need should far outweigh craven bean counting over social programs in a country that pours billions into corporate welfare and warmongering.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
12. indeed often what is ethical is often also sound economics.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:16 AM
Jun 2014

personallly I think homelessness is a good way to teach these lazy bums to get a job. because no one with a job is ever homeless. *sarcasm*

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
9. Some are beyond repair.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:41 AM
Jun 2014

I photograph abandoned buildings and some of the houses I venture into are barely standing... they count in that estimate given in the graphic. That's not to say there aren't some that could be repaired but then you'd have to get the owners' to actually give up ownership and a lot of times, the owners can't be tracked down. I know some cities are starting programs where they seize the property by condemning it after which they tear it down.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
19. It'd be interesting to see social costs of homelessness vs cost of repair.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jun 2014

Measures of such data would have to be fine tuned a lot to combat the inevitable conservative backlash.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. A few years back when I was in community development.....
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:18 AM
Jun 2014

...I combined the little known FHA-312 housing rehab program with a loan limit of about $35K I think itwas back then. Then I'd use Community Development grant money to go shopping at the VA and FHA foreclosure listings and I'd buy the houses, townhomes, condos and zero-lot line units on the cheap, sometimes nothing. Most were in pretty bad shape. Copper gone. Whole HVAC units torn off the concrete pads. But the structures were sound.

I setup an application process where public housing tenants and the income eligible could receive homeownership training and credit counseling. This they had to finish whether they got picked or not. Only the serious applied. We paired up the house and applicants up based on the amount of 312 money they could qualify for. Working the process backwards from affordability first. They were all on 20 year mortgages. I sold the houses for $1 with a 5 to 10 year buy-back provision to keep the flippers out. I called it The Greenhouse Program.

They still run a version of it here in Nashville now. I'd chosen the applicants after creating a random number BASIC program on my office's old 286 IBM PC (this was 1987-88 so we had only one and everybody shared it) and assigned each application a number. When they matched that's the applicant who got the chance. Still no guarantee. That way I kept the politicians off my back who like to hand out gifts to their constituents and friends.

There's worse that could be done with them. Between this situation and the US wasting over 40% of of its food, we're a nation of plenty drowning in all the stuff we've accumulated, but greed demands scarcity to make this pinball machine run. So we end up looking like slackers and louts who don't know how to managed their affairs properly.

- And I suppose we don't.....

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
18. That's great work you did there.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jun 2014

These kind of programs only really work for sound structures though. The point I was trying to make is that there may be enough homes for the homeless to have 6 each but that doesn't mean those homes in that number could ever be lived in again, so really, it's not an honest assessment of the waste in the US... or maybe it is.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
5. And we are
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:10 AM
Jun 2014

going to return to this unless the people demand a change of course in our economic and tax systems.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
7. "Those who don't learn from the past are conemned to repeat it"
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:21 AM
Jun 2014

I can't remember who said that, but it seems especially apt today.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
15. George Santayana
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:23 AM
Jun 2014
''Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.''

-- The Life of Reason (1905-1906)
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. Thanks...actually that goes with my "Baby Theory of Life"
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jun 2014

That is, we are a perpetually immature, babylike, world because of the short human lifespan.

We start out as babies and progress to immature children. Then, just as we start to learn lessons, and see patterns and gain maturity, we die and are replaced by a new crop of babies. And the process repeats itself.

So at any given point in time the planet is populated by a bunch of whiny immature infants and children aged 0 to 70 or 80 or thereabouts.

Obviously, there is also a collective repository of accumulated knowledge and wisdom. Otherwise we'd still be in the Stone Age. But we tend to ignore that repository because we're immature.

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