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Opposing American policies that harm people is not Obama bashing (Original Post) reddread Jun 2014 OP
Well, one can "bash" Obama and still be right on an issue or just simply disagree. I don't need to kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #1
it all gets simplified/meme'd into some anti Obama fixation from posters here reddread Jun 2014 #3
Exactly. And invariably those memes serve to slander the one criticizing Obama beerandjesus Jun 2014 #4
To oppose someone's opinion on an issue is one thing... lamp_shade Jun 2014 #2
True, where are these posts on DU? The only people hurling insults are hurling them at sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #20
How would you characterize ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #22
Exactly my point, 1StrongBlackMan. Thank you for understanding what I was attempting to convey. lamp_shade Jun 2014 #28
What does that have to with me? Are you saying I have spoken about the President in such terms? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #34
One or two ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #36
check the list n/t reddread Jun 2014 #38
You avoided my questions, but that's understandable. Rec'ing a post that addresses sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #43
this shit again? n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #35
Yes, that shit again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #37
It's not funny that a lot of members here act like the Bush supporters did. L0oniX Jun 2014 #40
It only turns into "Obama bashing" if we go from disagreement over policies to name calling pampango Jun 2014 #5
that would still be the same fundamental mistake, the other side of the coin reddread Jun 2014 #6
Is calling someone a figurehead, smokescreen or puppet "bashing"? Yes. pampango Jun 2014 #8
a more useful frame of reference than granting imaginary power reddread Jun 2014 #9
I don't think that calling someone a name is really "refining the analysis". pampango Jun 2014 #11
what terms meet approval? n/t reddread Jun 2014 #12
Terms of relevant accuracy not predicated on pejoratives or editorials. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #17
So in older telivision show parlence: Just the facts Ma'am. EOM Veilex Jun 2014 #23
Opinions are not allowed anymore AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #26
I think it goes even deeper than that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #24
Sophistry packed OPs bashing obama is obama bashing though, plenty examples of them here uponit7771 Jun 2014 #7
also a LOT of right wing media outrageous stuff trumpeted without rebuke reddread Jun 2014 #10
Hear, hear! FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #13
the NSA is not even a partisan issue paulkienitz Jun 2014 #14
Of course that's correct, and the apologists KNOW that full well. It just doesn't fit with NorthCarolina Jun 2014 #15
K and R bigwillq Jun 2014 #16
What about ProSense Jun 2014 #18
sure reddread Jun 2014 #29
K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #19
just make sure that you're correct in your assumption geek tragedy Jun 2014 #21
you misunderstand me n/t reddread Jun 2014 #30
Insulting someone who is wrong is not going to help correct their understanding. L0oniX Jun 2014 #42
Like the trade deal Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #25
Voicing displeasure with Obama does not a decide make JJChambers Jun 2014 #27
I think you might mean "deicide". beerandjesus Jun 2014 #39
"circular firing squad," "purity purge," "he's doing the best he can given Congress" have all fallen MisterP Jun 2014 #31
Oh cool. So it follows that treestar Jun 2014 #32
not only that! And, but, there's more! Act now and you can receive a brand new set reddread Jun 2014 #33
You can hate the policy without hating the president. ananda Jun 2014 #41
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
1. Well, one can "bash" Obama and still be right on an issue or just simply disagree. I don't need to
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:57 AM
Jun 2014

"bash" to disagree. And some policies hurt "some" people while at the same time helping others. It's seldom a clear cut option.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
3. it all gets simplified/meme'd into some anti Obama fixation from posters here
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:08 AM
Jun 2014

while there is plenty of baseless and racist hatreds being directed his way by the right,
we see a lot of convenient useage, albeit illogical, of Obama's political fortune and reputation
while the heart of issues never merit redress. Just distraction from the real problems Americans face.
Insults tossed at figureheads, meant to discredit concerned posters concerns.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
4. Exactly. And invariably those memes serve to slander the one criticizing Obama
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jun 2014

...no matter how well-informed, well-placed, or well-articulated the criticism is.


Now please excuse me. I have to take a break from implying Obama might be slightly less perfect than Jesus to go volunteer for Rand Paul.

lamp_shade

(14,796 posts)
2. To oppose someone's opinion on an issue is one thing...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:02 AM
Jun 2014

To ridicule, denigrate, hurl insults at and overall bash that person is quite another.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. True, where are these posts on DU? The only people hurling insults are hurling them at
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jun 2014

people who state their opinions on some of the policies of this president, many of his Republican nominees and on issues he has totally reversed position on since the campaign. Offshore Drilling eg. Mandated Insurance to name just two of them. People are obligated to let elected officials know when they are unhappy with their policies. Airc, that was one of our biggest criticisms of Bush supporters, no matter what he did, they supported him and attacked anyone who did not. We are Democrats, and Democrats do not march in lockstep for any politician.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
34. What does that have to with me? Are you saying I have spoken about the President in such terms?
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:28 AM
Jun 2014

I have seen very few such comments here from critics of some of the Presidents politics. You seem to be accusing everyone of attacking the president personally because one or two people may have done so.

That is like me characterizing YOU as one of those who consistently personally attack people here who dare to have remained consistent on the issues. But I would not do that, since to my knowledge, YOU have not done so. You haven't chastized those who do, but that doesn't make you guilty of what they are doing. So how does this apply to me? I can only control what I do or say.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
36. One or two ...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:07 AM
Jun 2014

with a HUGE DU following. Did you see the Rec count on that thread? Weren't you one of the Rec'ers?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. You avoided my questions, but that's understandable. Rec'ing a post that addresses
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jun 2014

an issue very important to Democrats is not endorsing every single word of it.

Eg, a now banned poster posted a homophobic OP about Greenwald which was rec'd by pro NSA members here. As a result of that OP the poster was eventually banned. Should we assume those who rec'd that post are homophobic also?

If that is your standard, then I know we can have a whole discussion on this alone and if what you are implying is true, we have a whole lot of people here, which we can tell by their recs, who should not be here. Do you want to have that discussion, I think we should. I don't have a lot of time to comb through people's recs, but I'm sure others would be willing.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
40. It's not funny that a lot of members here act like the Bush supporters did.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

They don't even use simple management psych. "acknowledge the problem then discuss a solution" or "give praise then critic" "yea I agree he fucked up with that but yea he has done a lot of good" Instead we get denial and insults.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
5. It only turns into "Obama bashing" if we go from disagreement over policies to name calling
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jun 2014

and labeling.

We can all disagree with Obama on a number of issues and explain why we think he is wrong and we are right. None of us ever agree with him (or anyone else) all the time. That does not mean we are "bashing" Obama. It means we are thinking for ourselves.

When we start calling Obama names ("corporatist", "neo-con", "republican&quot that equals "bashing". One could argue that is a "justifiable" bashing, but not that it does not qualify as "bashing".

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
6. that would still be the same fundamental mistake, the other side of the coin
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jun 2014

Using Obama as a figurehead or smokescreen for US policies he is hardly responsible for.
is it bashful of me to call him a puppet?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
8. Is calling someone a figurehead, smokescreen or puppet "bashing"? Yes.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jun 2014

That is not discussing policy differences or why he may or may not even be responsible for a particular policy or set of policies. That would not be "bashing".

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
9. a more useful frame of reference than granting imaginary power
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jun 2014

I dont think it comes so close to bashing as to refining the analysis
The Emperor's clothes and all that.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
11. I don't think that calling someone a name is really "refining the analysis".
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jun 2014

We all know people who love to label others and call them names. Most of such people whom I know don't have a large enough vocabulary to use the phrase "refining the analysis" but that is what they are doing. Why go to all the trouble to explain why you disagree with another person, when you can just call them a name, save time and "refine the analysis".

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. Terms of relevant accuracy not predicated on pejoratives or editorials.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jun 2014

Terms of relevant accuracy not predicated on pejoratives or editorials. Which is why I enjoy reading objective historical analysis of leaders, as "dear leader" and "puppet" are generally not found as descriptors unless quoting period party hacks.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. I think it goes even deeper than that ...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jun 2014

many of those that are labeled "Bashers", are treated so because they make it a daily ritual of scouring the internet to find something ... anything ... from any source to rage on, no matter tangential the connection to President Obama.

There is a reason that the "Thanks, Obama!" meme caught on ... one would just think that a site named DemocraticUnderground would have been immune.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
10. also a LOT of right wing media outrageous stuff trumpeted without rebuke
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jun 2014

because its so good to know what trash is being purveyed, we need to pass it around.
a slight double standard?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
15. Of course that's correct, and the apologists KNOW that full well. It just doesn't fit with
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jun 2014

their modus operandi to admit to it.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. What about
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jun 2014

"Opposing American policies that harm people is not Obama bashing"

..."opposing American policies" that help people, that is, keep people alive, like Obamacare?


"quit hiding behind that bait and switch cover for your real priorities."

Now, who supports policies that "harm people"?

Can you give an example of who and what policies?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. just make sure that you're correct in your assumption
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jun 2014

that Obama is responsible for the bad policy.

I've seen complaints about Obama and Keystone, which is really a

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
27. Voicing displeasure with Obama does not a decide make
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:57 PM
Jun 2014

Which is something Ive seen insinuated numerous times on this board.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
31. "circular firing squad," "purity purge," "he's doing the best he can given Congress" have all fallen
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jun 2014

by the wayside

this blastfax will pass in time

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. Oh cool. So it follows that
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:42 PM
Jun 2014

lack of adoration of Eddie and disapproval of his actions is not supporting a Big Brother Totalitarian State.

And disagreeing that the policies harm people is allowed also? I mean I know we abhor lock-step here.

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