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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:58 PM Jun 2014

Chinese general: U.S. foreign policy has ‘erectile dysfunction’.

Zhu Chenghu is a bald, combative man with an unremarkable appearance but a remarkable sense of the inflammatory. The Chinese two-star general, the dean of China’s National Defense University and one of the nation’s leading military minds, displayed that predilection once more a few days ago.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel had just delivered a speech criticizing China’s aggression in its maritime disputes with its Asian neighbors. The speech made Zhu very unhappy. “The Americans are making very, very important strategic mistakes right now,” he told the Wall Street Journal.

He called Hagel hypocritical. “Whatever the Chinese do is illegal, and whatever the Americans do is right,” he said. “If you take China as an enemy, China will absolutely become the enemy of the U.S. If the Americans take China as an enemy, we Chinese have to take steps to make ourselves a qualified enemy of the U.S. But if the Americans take China as a friend, China will be a very loyal friend.”

But Zhu wasn’t done with U.S. officials yet. He made additional remarks on a Chinese-language television station in Singapore, according to the Wall Street Journal. He said he wasn’t convinced the United States, which he called a declining power, would intervene in any territorial disputes between China and any of its Asian neighbors. His evidence: Ukraine.

“We can see from the situation in Ukraine this kind of ED” — which the Journal reports he explained meant “extended deployment” — “has become the male type of ED problem: erectile dysfunction.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/03/chinese-general-u-s-foreign-policy-has-erectile-dysfunction/

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Chinese general: U.S. foreign policy has ‘erectile dysfunction’. (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jun 2014 OP
Basically the Chinese want the US to abandon any type of military relationship with Japan and Taiwan Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #1
They want us to forget tomorrow is Tiananmen's 25th. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #5
Why bother? It was officially forgotten by the Bush I admin right after it happened. LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #7
What exactly is the difference between Tiananmen Square and what was done malaise Jun 2014 #14
I am not aware of the hundreds dead at Kent State crushed under tanks. Nor the same at Occupy. I'm msanthrope Jun 2014 #17
Well, yeah, but other than that... randome Jun 2014 #19
"How was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #21
Did you seriously just compare Tianenman Square and Occupy? geek tragedy Jun 2014 #25
The legend grows. randome Jun 2014 #29
Loser talk. dawg Jun 2014 #2
Wrong, this is the talk of a rising power nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #4
It's the talk of someone trying to beef up their internal "tough guy" bona fides. dawg Jun 2014 #8
Our grand white fleet was not that impressive either nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #9
There's still a pretty large gap in military technology. China would not want to get involved in ... dawg Jun 2014 #10
Operative word, right now. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #13
To be blunt, China isn't capable of catching us unless they become more like us. dawg Jun 2014 #20
To be blunt nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #26
The Brits said that we were a top-down bureaucratic society with limited freedoms? dawg Jun 2014 #30
Oh, I agree War Horse Jun 2014 #11
Add to that the fact that he knows malaise Jun 2014 #15
On the eve of Tiananmen's 25th, you are posting rhetoric from one of the murderers. msanthrope Jun 2014 #3
A sign of the maturity level of the Chinese PTB? n/t War Horse Jun 2014 #6
"Zhu then went on to say that America is a big poopyface tomato-nose." Arkana Jun 2014 #12
Or maybe, China, you're just not very attractive any longer. randome Jun 2014 #16
Okay--you win the Internets today. DUZY. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #18
Good God, how stupid. Hagel must have got under their skin, though. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #22
Maybe our Secretary of State will "man up" in response Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #23
a warmonger and "a bald, combative man with an unremarkable appearance geek tragedy Jun 2014 #24
All the worry about China Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 #27
Zhu Chenghu then said, "Boogers," and giggled uncontrollably. FSogol Jun 2014 #28
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. Basically the Chinese want the US to abandon any type of military relationship with Japan and Taiwan
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

Not gonna happen.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
7. Why bother? It was officially forgotten by the Bush I admin right after it happened.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jun 2014

And hasn't made a return appearance.

malaise

(268,664 posts)
14. What exactly is the difference between Tiananmen Square and what was done
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

to students at Kent State or treatment meted out to the Occupy Movement?

Discuss Tiananmen Square versus Gitmo or the illegal prisons all over the planet.
Aren't you tired of violations of people's rights by all powers as opposed to just condemning those that aren't American?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
17. I am not aware of the hundreds dead at Kent State crushed under tanks. Nor the same at Occupy. I'm
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

not aware of 10s of thousands of students (possibly hundreds of thousands) of American students then sent to forced work camps.

I am not aware of thousands upon thousands of American activists under house arrest as a preemptive strike. (Guess what's happening in China right now?)

Also, I can google "June 4th" freely.

The Chinese cannot.

So, tomorrow, I will break a little bottle in front of the Chinese flag on the Parkway here. I will not be the only one.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Well, yeah, but other than that...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
29. The legend grows.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. Wrong, this is the talk of a rising power
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:10 PM
Jun 2014

Look up what our officers and pols wrote of Spain and even England...oh back in 1895

dawg

(10,621 posts)
8. It's the talk of someone trying to beef up their internal "tough guy" bona fides.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jun 2014

The Chinese navy only has 1 carrier group. Their zone of military influence ends at the water's edge.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
10. There's still a pretty large gap in military technology. China would not want to get involved in ...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

a large-scale conflict with an enemy using comparable weapons systems to those of the U.S.

For that matter, China certainly would not want to somehow provoke Japan into re-militarizing. There are elements there who would very much love to do so.

I think the General's statements have more to do with internal Chinese politics than they do with anything directly to do with policy.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Operative word, right now.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

Things are not static. And China is expanding while we are starting to contract. We are at the high five point.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
20. To be blunt, China isn't capable of catching us unless they become more like us.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jun 2014

They are experiencing a relatively high economic growth rate as their country continues to modernize. But a significant portion of the West is still living in middle-ages conditions, and much of the country's growth is the result of cheap-labor manufacturing jobs assembling products for Western multinationals.

In order to truly challenge the U.S. & Europe on a per capita basis, huge economic and political reforms must take place. A fascistic, bureaucratic society simply cannot innovate at the pace of a society with more freedoms. It's the very reason Europe surpassed the Chinese in the first place. Their technological lead was squandered by the tight grip of the Mandarins and the Emperor's they served.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
26. To be blunt
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jun 2014

The Brits made this same exact argument about the US 100 years ago.

They were stuck in coal while we adopted oil. China is adopting renewables at a very high rate. Their steel production already surpassed us.

So I would not be so cocksure there

dawg

(10,621 posts)
30. The Brits said that we were a top-down bureaucratic society with limited freedoms?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

No, of course they didn't make that argument.

If anything, we were a freer, more open society than the mother country. And that, along with our bounty of natural resources and our isolation from European wars, is why we were ascendant.

China doesn't have an advantage over us in resources. If anything, we still enjoy the advantage there. To the extent they are adopting renewables, that is a good thing. I wish we would do the same. But from a geopolitical standpoint, we are very close to being energy independent. We are also pretty much food and water independent, which is huge. Climate change will mess with that, but it will mess with their situation as well.

The Chinese banking system is terrifying. Loans get made and renewed based on political considerations and regulators refuse to force the banks' hands when it comes to liquidating bad loans. Projects get approved that have no underlying economic reason to exist, simply because it serves the interests of some government official. There's no market-accountability like what we have in the West.

The Fascist model does not work. It has been proven over and over again.

War Horse

(931 posts)
11. Oh, I agree
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jun 2014

China is indeed a rising power. With a whole lot of internal problems. We'd better not forget about neither.

malaise

(268,664 posts)
15. Add to that the fact that he knows
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jun 2014

how much of US aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan was financed by China.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
3. On the eve of Tiananmen's 25th, you are posting rhetoric from one of the murderers.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:10 PM
Jun 2014

Perhaps you didn't know. But it is shocking to read in the context of history.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
12. "Zhu then went on to say that America is a big poopyface tomato-nose."
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously, this is playground-level shit.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. Or maybe, China, you're just not very attractive any longer.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jun 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
23. Maybe our Secretary of State will "man up" in response
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jun 2014

Tell me again how the whole world isn't a patriarchal society?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. a warmonger and "a bald, combative man with an unremarkable appearance
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jun 2014

but a remarkable sense of the inflammatory."

Hmm.

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
27. All the worry about China
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jun 2014

No one worries about the effects of neo-liberalism that the US and the West have exported?

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