Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.

Powerfull statement, continuing his honorable fight, well awarded by his documentary " An inconvenient truth"

Figure out how to see this series from James Cameron

astounding stuff

We are in real bad shape climate change wise, real proud of Obama today

Gore's Law: As a discussion on climate change goes on, the chances that a denier will devolve to insulting Al Gore approaches 1.

He's right, of course.

I say yes, it should be. But look at you slackers, you deniers, you standing against the doors of progress to refuse to do anything and let us all bake and rot to death...you don't even care about your own children and grandchildren....it's all about Obama and your insane belief that human activity had NOTHING to do with climate change (you know who you are!).

I have been in a rant all day about the storm in Congress that I know is coming and I am fed up...

All kinds of pollution would drop immediately.

Rather than keeping the coal in the ground.

to extract it--shipping costs etc.

Particularly because we refuse to export cleaner intellectual property (it's one reason Rio+20 was an abject failure).

The US and the UK are the clunkers in this regard - changing what we do here just may save the planet. Even China is on board and working on a carbon tax for 2015.

Here's where developing nations are to make coal the most used energy source in 10 years: http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2012/1219/Coal-on-the-rise-as-developing-nations-seek-cheap-fuel

Here's where developing countries denounced the World Bank for putting restrictions on coal loans: http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2011/04/12/12climatewire-developing-countries-denounce-world-bank-res-51099.html

Hi Uncle Joe! Fancy seeing you on this thread.

it's great to see you as well.

becomes ever more severe and sustainable energy development and financing increases.

I hope it's in time.

those articles you posted - tho only a scant couple years old - do not reflect the new focus that china and india are undergoing...

http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2014/06/03/east-green-future-chinas-environmental-regime-part-2-2.html

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/20/3439254/india-prime-minister-modi-solar/

I'm saying the US isn't leaving coal in the ground.

Personally working on making that happen on a few different fronts. It is a fight we have on our hands but one we will win.

but out of the 150 coal plants proposed in the mid 2000s, 65 were cancelled. Working on getting one of the dirtiest ones to go away here in my state... and with luck and the legal system working properly, that just may happen. People are engaged now - more than ever - and this business as usual thing is just not going to continue.

Because of more stringent pollution standards. They just refurbish them. There probably won't be any more new MW power plants ever built again. My concern isn't the draw down in coal plants, I think that trajectory could be forseen a decade ago. My concern is coal exports, and I think it's in the US's interests (whether good or bad; the policy makers) to make sure coal is exported. And that's why Rio+20 failed. The US wants developing countries to be dependent on its coal because there's still a crapton still left in the ground (I think Peak Coal is about 15 years from now).

Maybe better jobs for those people working in the mines and at the coal plants?

Set aside a fund for all miners and associated workers from the carbon taxes. Extremely difficult to pass politically, unfortunately. Thus my cynicism.

This video is like a tonic. I watch this when I begin to doubt we can fix this ... but we will turn this craziness around ... we just need to do it together and we will.

Yes it is. I am doing climate presentations now and end them with this to rally the crowd. It's a pretty grim scenario out there ... but it certainly helps to have AG state unequivocally that we are up to the challenge and will 'transcend' ourselves.

we will shake our heads and ask ourselves, what could we have been thinking, not to realize what we were doing to ourselves and the earth.

us extinct on the planet.

to be great urgency about the matter. The streets of Miami Beach and Norfolk, VA are flooding at high tide; Sacramento is experiencing salt-water infiltration in the ground water; drought abounds in some areas of the country, and people are still burying their heads in the sand. One of my sisters said "I can't do anything about it, God has our back and maybe Jesus will come back soon and it won't matter." I wanted to scream.

President Obama has shown real leadership in making this move. He deserves all the credit in the world for this.

K&R.

... something Bush/Cheney will never be.

Thank you sir for your vision.

for truth

Yes I am pretty bugged with him about some things but I really like to have an opportunity to say thanks to him. It gives me some hope.

No one, and I mean no one, is daring to speak the real truth here. Even if all of this works exactly as planned, legislatively and environmentally, by the time 2035 rolls around, greenhouse gas levels will still be significantly higher than they are now. The best any of these proposals will do is to slow the rate of increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, but it will still go up and up, almost certainly taking us past tipping points that we cannot recover from (assuming we're not past them already). We're not even close to being able to do anything to reduce overall greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere, and will likely not be until it is far too late (again, assuming that it isn't already).

None of the people talking "cap-and-trade" and other policy wonkish things will come right out and say this, but they know it's true.

and in alleviating the worst effects of global warming.

This is just one successful battle in an ongoing political war and I believe it is a good step forward but more environmental reforms must follow.

The situation is not static certainly not from an environmental standpoint and the same can be said for the political realm as well, Mother Nature will simply not allow it, nor can we.

What does that mean exactly? Have you talked to her?

"Mother Nature" does not care about human beings, human civilization or human inconvenience or suffering. "She" doesn't care about anything at all, in fact. The notion that "things could never get THAT bad" may be comforting, but it has no basis in reality.

every time there is a record breaking drought, fire, flood, mudslide, catastrophic storm, with the increase in number and magnitude of tornadoes, as the oceans become more acidic and sea life dies off increasing the cost of food.

The insurance industry is waking up to Mother Nature's screams and if there is one thing the Republicans and the American People in general (even if they're in denial) do and will hear is the cries of the almighty dollar as the ever increasing cost of doing nothing becomes more and more apparent.