for you and me.

Those that are good at math, and those that aren't.

Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

nfm

because DEC 25 = OCT 31

like these fruity ones:

What's purple and commutes?

What's yellow and equivalent to the Axiom of Choice?

that international students beat Americans.

I'm no slouch when it comes to math but this new crap they are teaching, it's like going from A to Z but somewhere in between you have to take a detour to pizza and subtract goat.

For someone that seemed to think the Common Core visual-minded problem-solving method was quite good, he kept equating anyone's use of the word "calculate" with "calculator" as if that was the only definition possible for that word. I sure hope he never takes calculus...

Besides, I'd expect the fictional Matt Helm to be far better at arguing a point than the YT's Matthew Helm

WTF is this new math and who would think that this is a better way to teach it. This example is actually one of the easiest ways I've seen it explained. Probably because it only had addition in it.

The fact that this little girl said she wasn't allowed to "stack" which was much easier to keep track of really ticks me off.

I know the teachers are forced to teach common core. We actually had a parent teacher type meeting letting us know that they were going to be teaching common core and no more "stacking". Such a mess.

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involved, the more opportunity there is for something to go wrong. It takes only one small mistake or one small breakdown in the complex system to throw everything else completely out of whack, and then it usually takes a long time to check each element in the system to figure out where it went wrong.

If, as often happens, there is more than a single mistake, the lengthy checking process might have to be undertaken several times before the whole mess gets straightened out.

If they truly want to help the kids conceptualize like this, then all they have to do is supply each kid with an abacus. It is faster and simpler, and they are less likely to make a mistake, yet it creates a similar (though much clearer) visual representation of place values.

in elementary. Where they don't have different subjects yet. She used an abacus.

That conceptual enough! Why waste their time and energy on 'finger-counting pictures'? This little girl is obviously no moron. She knows how to add. She understands the extra pictures causes confusion.

So what's the purported purpose of the 'new' bullshit math? Who benefits from it? Certainly not the kids.

I solved that problem in less then ten seconds just adding those numbers up. The method that girl was using would have had me ripping my hair out. That common core crap is just horrible. My sister who is in high school has to something similar in her classes where they draw out charts and tables to do a simple equation.
I'm glad I missed common core. I feel sorry for those stuck in this system.

I spell it as Maths.

I was actually good at it... but egad, what a waste of time. All that homework... all that studying, and for what? I have never used any of it and I get by just fine. I forgot all of it as soon as I finished those god-awful math courses.

I did like geometry though. I liked drawing the figures.

...who, as scientists in biology disciplines, chemistry, physics, engineering, and of course mathematics find math not only useful, but essential to their daily work. Mathematics isn't just male privilege!

And for those careers, one certainly needs higher mathematics. I took a different path and could have spent my high school and college years on courses that were meaningful to me. For example, when I was in HS, for some unknown sexist reason, girls were not permitted to take "mechanical drawing". That would have been valuable to me then and in the future.

Which may be the most math ignorant thing I have ever seen here.

Sorry.

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That's all.

As an actuarial researcher, I used to say I could turn a number any way but loose....as a bookkeeper, I never said that.

Maybe it was a gender thing...I am from the 60's in high school...maybe math scared me, but I always loved working with numbers...they are honest.

Then I got into rescue and we used it like all the time.

I am willing to bet you still do. I know I do. Silly things like calculating a tip for example, percentages.

Calculating taxes over the prize of a product you want so you know the true cost, and those are just two examples.

I am talking about advanced math courses.

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It solves all sorts of real world problems in many domains (which is in itself an algebra metaphor).

You are not going to find sympathy for "math is useless" from me.

I suggest you set that opinion aside.

but hey, whatever You will find no sympathy from me

There's "theoretical" mathematics and then there's "applied" mathematics. In drafting classes, we had the applied mathematics classes, though I never had a need to know applied calculus. That was mostly a class for the engineering technician students.

Applied Trigonometry was great! We were taught real-world problems and how to use it in everyday applications, though I'd say those would be work-based applications. Not much cause to know and/or use the formula "a/ sin A = b/sin B = c/sin C" when grocery shopping

.... or try to "figure out" a contaminant reduction rate.

Practically: estimate the fuel cost from Detroit to Long Island

Advanced math makes these things easier (or possible) ... you may never need to estimate the advancement of a contaminant plume ... but, you probably drive or travel, cook, do home improvement projects, golf, bowl (or any of a a multitude of day to day living activities) ... "advanced math" makes doing all of these things easier

it's freshman college level (or high school senior) for math majors - and most other technical/science majors as well.

Would you call the first writing class English majors have to take advanced?

Stats. And other things.

College.

That is, my mind was "x approaching infinity" and simply could not cross the boundary into integrals. Although, that may be a good thing

Whereas I failed geometry strictly because of proofs. It wasn't that I couldn't do them, only that while I reached the same results as the rest of the class, I didn't take the same route they did. And so, I "failed" it.

And yet, I work as a mapping designer today, having to understand the fundamentals of trigonometry, even if I primarily let the software do all the "fun" stuff and then draw pretty pictures of slopes, grades, trenches, and other surface models

You just don't realize it.

Math with practical applications.

One hopes it's a hoax.

apparently stupid poll result isn't so stupid after all.

There could have been three choices:

Love math

Hate math

Undecided


and maybe the final results were something along the lines of 30% each for Love it and Undecided, and the rest (40%) going into the Hate math answer.

The statement does not say more hate it than love it - it says the majority hates it. You don't ignore the "undecideds".

Majority means 50% +1.

that's what the person who wrote the article meant to say instead of "majority".


Anyway, whatever the answer is, I hate math too.

do not like what they do not understand. Most in the US do not understand math.

I hated math for most of my life then at age 54 decided to make nice to numbers. I entrolled into my local community college and started with elementary algebra. Last semester I finished calc 1 and gen chem 1. The thing I hated became the thing I love. In a sense I wasted many years hating something I simply didn't understand.

I'm sure my community college is typical of most, they offer basic math, pre-algebra, then algebra 1,2 & college algebra, college trig and calc 1-4. I did a study and found that at the beginning of the fall 2013 semester there were 985 students enrolled in elementary and intermediate algebra. Of those, 96 used the free tutor lab. In my elementary algebra class, 30 students started the semester, 11 took the final and I personally know 3 didn't pass. Intermediate algebra was slightly better, 28 students started the class and 15 took the final. In college algebra, 31 students started the semester and 21 took the final.

a lot of people who were turned off by the rote approach to math (actually, usually just arithmetic) in school might find it more interesting if they picked up a more user-friendly math book and tried a little self-paced learning. Or better yet, try several books until you find one you like.

Who cares?

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F'in hilarious !

just saying!

hates English and language comprehension.

First it's 4 in 10,

then it's a majority of Americans,

then it's almost four in 10 adults surveyed, (not to mention mixing numbers and number words)

That's one hilarious piece of shit! Or a sad piece of shit.

I think many people get turned off at the "arithmetic" stage & never get to the good stuff.

...and some just don't care for math.

I'm majoring in POSCI, since that happens to be a field where I won't need to take many math classes. I never got any F's or D's in any math classes, but I mostly have gotten C's. It's not exactly my forte.

And Americans aren't very good at languages.

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Just kidding.

where I took Calculus as a female and studied Physics immediately.

a smallish, mainly liberal arts school in New Haven called "Yale". Both the math majors I knew there were female as well.

Then she'd say, "You should know that."

She was NOT a math major. Blew my high school math understanding. The kids in the class who made As wouldn't help me either, so I was screwed royally. Flunked Algebra II, made a D in Geometry because of her not explaining.

Was never very good at the advanced subjects (trig, geometry, etc) when attending school.