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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:50 PM Jun 2014

U.S. Marshals Seize Cops’ Spying Records to Keep Them From the ACLU

A routine request in Florida for public records regarding the use of a surveillance tool known as stingray took an extraordinary turn Tuesday when federal authorities seized the documents before police could release them.

The surprise move by the U.S. Marshals Service stunned the ACLU, which earlier this year filed a routine public records request with the Sarasota, Florida, police department for information detailing its use of the controversial surveillance tool.

The ACLU had an appointment Tuesday morning to review documents pertaining to a case investigated by a Sarasota police detective. But marshals swooped in at the last minute to grab the records, claiming they belong to the U.S. Marshals Service and barring the police from releasing them.

ACLU staff attorney Nathan Freed Wessler called the move “truly extraordinary and beyond the worst transparency violations” the group has seen regarding documents detailing police use of the technology.

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/feds-seize-stingray-documents/

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U.S. Marshals Seize Cops’ Spying Records to Keep Them From the ACLU (Original Post) IDemo Jun 2014 OP
Just more hope and change. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #1
Are you suggesting the President knew this seizure was DonViejo Jun 2014 #3
I don't think anyone suggested that Aerows Jun 2014 #6
Thank you. eom DonViejo Jun 2014 #8
By OKing and perhaps even expanding the NSA spying on Americans, his administration JDPriestly Jun 2014 #13
+1 This one needs careful watching woo me with science Jun 2014 #32
And people trust the government! n-t Logical Jun 2014 #2
well....December 6 , 2013 Leme Jun 2014 #4
Nothing to see here folks, move along, all is well. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #5
ACLU has got them on the run! Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #7
UnAmerican billhicks76 Jun 2014 #9
Have any links defacto7 Jun 2014 #10
Saw it on 20/20 billhicks76 Jun 2014 #12
Terrible... defacto7 Jun 2014 #17
Just That Guy billhicks76 Jun 2014 #18
Similar 'trafficing' has been exposed in, eg, Phoenix Az. We have some problems in this country that sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36
The Obama administration is doing this? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #11
Police State billhicks76 Jun 2014 #14
We are dangerously close to losing any control over our government - that is, if we ever had any. reformist2 Jun 2014 #15
I can agree with that. defacto7 Jun 2014 #21
Unfucking believable smallcat88 Jun 2014 #16
today is a good day to donate to the ACLU.. grasswire Jun 2014 #20
the truth without context makes a certain group of Americans react underthematrix Jun 2014 #19
Stingray might turn up dirt from some Florida big wheels. Octafish Jun 2014 #22
It looks like this happened shortly after... Oilwellian Jun 2014 #23
Looks like they won the state court action, but they will have to file in federal court msanthrope Jun 2014 #33
Thanks Obama. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #24
US Marshals Service is corrupt to the core. woo me with science Jun 2014 #25
Well, isn't that special. n/t Oilwellian Jun 2014 #28
thanks for posting that grasswire Jun 2014 #30
yes, difficult.. I usually think, o well nt Leme Jun 2014 #35
First I've heard of that wonderful appointment. Kermitt Gribble Jun 2014 #34
100% true! Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #38
This is outrageous. Every single day, more corruption, more lawlessness, from our own government. woo me with science Jun 2014 #26
That's fucked up! gopiscrap Jun 2014 #27
Obviously Savannahmann Jun 2014 #29
K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #31
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #37
"...what they fear is light." mike_c Jun 2014 #39
The fear of exposure is palpable. What is it they are so determined to hide? Looks like we know sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #41
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #40
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #42
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
6. I don't think anyone suggested that
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jun 2014

but I think the suggestion was that President Obama shouldn't allow such things to continue.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. By OKing and perhaps even expanding the NSA spying on Americans, his administration
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jun 2014

has encouraged this. Those were US marshalls. Obama's marshalls.

We shall see whether Obama does anything to correct this.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
4. well....December 6 , 2013
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jun 2014

from: http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/03/12/2047624/

TAMPA BAY, Florida - The National Security Agency isn't the only government entity secretly collecting data from Americans' cell phones. Local police are increasingly scooping it up, too.

Armed with new technologies,including mobile devices that tap into cellphone data in real time, dozens of local and state police agencies are capturing information about thousands of cellphone users at a time, whether they are targets of an investigation or not, according to public records obtained during a 10 News/USA TODAY/Gannett investigation.
>snip

hope snip is ok

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
9. UnAmerican
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:59 PM
Jun 2014

These folks are our Gestapo. They are an illegal, secret police force who are nothing more than thugs with badges. If they could get away with it they would shoot your dog, beat your kids and rape your spouse. US Marshals are heavily involved with running prostitution and sex slave rings in Las Vegas. If people think they are there to protect they are naive. They are stone cold killers and have no problem admiting it. I would never mess with one of them. It's one thing being a bad ass but now they can get into every aspect of your personal life. We have failed ourselves.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
10. Have any links
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jun 2014

or corroborating information about US Marshals? It would be an interesting part of the puzzle if you do.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
12. Saw it on 20/20
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jun 2014

An Asian girl that was forced to have sex 20 times a day in a bamboo field next to San Diego mansions along with 50 other girls turned out to be Asian-American. The constructed rooms out of blankets in the bamboo patches with only a dirty futon on the ground. She had been kidnapped. They were later housed underneath a Vegas Casino in the sub level basement and the man pimping them out was a recently retired US Marshal who had been running the business for a long time.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
17. Terrible...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jun 2014

I didn't see 20/20... but did they say it was a wide spread issue with US marshals or is this a bad apple? I guess I'm asking if this is a "him" or a "they".

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
18. Just That Guy
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:33 PM
Jun 2014

But he had a lot of power. The US Marshals I met were bragging how they killed civilians in Panama a year after Bush Sr invaded to take out Noriega and cover up his drug running.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. Similar 'trafficing' has been exposed in, eg, Phoenix Az. We have some problems in this country that
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jun 2014

need attention. But we're so busy always pointing fingers everywhere else, rushing off to 'create democracies' all over the world, they aren't likely to get that attention any time soon.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. The Obama administration is doing this?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jun 2014

What is the point in voting for a Democrat who allows his administration to do something like that? I am truly ashamed of the Democratic Party at this moment.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
14. Police State
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:17 PM
Jun 2014

Its out of control. They do some sick things Obama cannot support I'm sure but why he doesn't address it is anyone's guess. Poor minority kids locked up by the hundreds of thousands for bogus weed infractions? Private prison gladiator fights instituted by the guards? Hundreds of minority kids shot and killed by cops over weed, running away, mouthing off or just getting the wrong house or car? You know Obana is against these things and he isn't above commenting from such a high office. I believe someone is telling him to shut up or face consequences like embarrassing NSA extracted phone calls from his past or worse threats. I'm not naive.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
21. I can agree with that.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jun 2014

I think most of US history has been a fight for control between the people and the powerful. The government most of us were taught about in 5th grade has in reality never exited. But as a dream of possibilities within any political system it was a gallant effort by those who had idealistic hopes for humanity and it could have been quite a strong and useful stepping stone toward freedom, peace, equality and justice. It could never have been the final structure of human culture and would have been superseded by better alternatives. But the direction we are going now is the product of greed and the intent of a powerful few. If it continues in this direction, our US version of democracy has failed.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
16. Unfucking believable
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jun 2014

Anyone still wondering why they're trying so hard to turn Snowden into a villain?

https://www.resetthenet.org/?r=aclu

This is from a recent email I got from the ACLU. This Thursday, June 5, you can run a splash screen to promote free software for end-to-end encryption in an effort to fight the internet spying.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
20. today is a good day to donate to the ACLU..
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:52 PM
Jun 2014

...or become a member and lend your voice to this fight.

www.aclu.org

eternal vigilance is the price of liberty

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
22. Stingray might turn up dirt from some Florida big wheels.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jun 2014

Cough Jebthro.

Gotta love the transparency.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
23. It looks like this happened shortly after...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jun 2014

A Florida judge has sided with the ACLU to order release of information about police use of "stingrays" which are invasive surveillance devices that send out powerful signals to trick cell phones into transmitting their locations and identifying information. The Tallahassee judge’s pro-transparency decision stands in contrast to extreme secrecy surrounding stingray records in another Florida court, which is at the center of an emergency motion filed by the ACLU today.

The ACLU learned several months ago about a case where Tallahassee police used a stingray to track a phone to a suspect’s apartment without getting a warrant. Although the detective responsible for the tracking testified in court about using a stingray, in deference to the government’s demand for secrecy the court closed the hearing to the public and sealed the transcript.

The ACLU filed a motion asking the judge to unseal the transcript, citing the public’s First Amendment right of access to court proceedings. In response, the government tried to justify continued secrecy by invoking the federal Homeland Security Act and other federal laws. As the ACLU explained to the court, those laws have no bearing because this case involves state judicial records, and because the government has waived its ability to invoke broad secrecy arguments by already releasing significant information about its use of stingrays.

Late yesterday, the judge ordered unsealing of the entire transcript. The portion that the government had sought to keep secret is here. It confirms key information about the invasiveness of stingray technology, including that:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/victory-judge-releases-information-about-police-use

On edit: According to the ACLU, this is the part of the transcript the US Marshalls tried to keep hidden:
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/100823_transcription_of_suppression_hearing_28unsealed_pages_11-2429.pdf

Score one for the little guy.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
33. Looks like they won the state court action, but they will have to file in federal court
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jun 2014

to force the US Marshalls to return the physical documents and other records.

Which they should win. It seems the use of trap-and-trace as opposed to a probable cause warrant is at issue, and that should be decided in a federal court.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
25. US Marshals Service is corrupt to the core.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:01 AM
Jun 2014

Recall that Obama selected a private prison consultant to run it, against the protests of the Alliance for Justice, Human Rights Defense Center, Private Corrections Working Group, Grassroots Leadership, National Lawyers Guild, International CURE, Detention Watch Network and Justice Policy Institute.

Under her corporate, revolving door "leadership," federal contracts for private prisons in the US have skyrocketed. Growing an industry that attaches a profit motive to the imprisonment of human beings is against everything this country should stand for.

The Case Against Stacia Hylton
http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/11/12/the-case-against-stacia-a-hylton/

The Obama Administration is aggressively growing private prisons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=722906

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
38. 100% true!
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jun 2014
Growing an industry that attaches a profit motive to the imprisonment of human beings is against everything this country should stand for.

Yet the RW propaganda machine causes millions to clamor for more citizens to become prisoners of the corrupt system.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
26. This is outrageous. Every single day, more corruption, more lawlessness, from our own government.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:02 AM
Jun 2014

This is a story that must be followed closely. We can't let this one fall off the radar.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
29. Obviously
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:22 AM
Jun 2014

The US Marshall's seized the records to protect the privacy of those who had been spied on and had their privacy violated. I mean that was the excuse the NSA used when someone wanted to know how many people the NSA had spied on without a warrant.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
41. The fear of exposure is palpable. What is it they are so determined to hide? Looks like we know
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jun 2014

nothing compared to what there is to know.

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