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damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:44 PM Jun 2014

Polish NGO to Obama: Mass Surveillance is Not Freedom

On June 4, 2014, one day before the anniversary of the Snowden revelations, Poland celebrates 25 years since the fall of an authoritarian regime. On this occasion, President Obama is visiting Poland and meeting with many heads of states—including officials who were affected by the mass surveillance scandal carried out by the NSA."

* The president of Panoptykon Foundation, Katarzyna Szymielewicz, who is watching President Obama’s visit in Poland, says,

“It is rather difficult to celebrate the anniversary of first Polish free elections in the aftermath of the recent Snowden revelations—indicating that Poland cooperated with US intelligence and delivered vast amounts of telecommunication data (possibly about own citizens). How is it possible that until now Polish citizens haven’t heard a word of explanation from their democratically elected representatives with regard to Snowden’s allegations? We still don't know answers to basic questions: what was the purpose of Polish-US cooperation; who was the target; what sort of data was intercepted and why? If President Obama leaves Poland on the 4th of June without touching on these questions, it will be the failure of Polish democracy. Without accountability and transparency, democracy becomes a facade.”

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/polish-ngo-obama-surveillance-not-freedom

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Polish NGO to Obama: Mass Surveillance is Not Freedom (Original Post) damnedifIknow Jun 2014 OP
the Poles have lots of experience with police state type spying agencies nt msongs Jun 2014 #1
+1 woo me with science Jun 2014 #5
And that is just it. Mass surveillance is not Freedom. Who here would support an entire country Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #2
THANK YOU. A voice insisting that 2+2=4. woo me with science Jun 2014 #3
K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #4
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #6
This is what the NSA apologists and surveillance state defenders don't understand quinnox Jun 2014 #7

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
2. And that is just it. Mass surveillance is not Freedom. Who here would support an entire country
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jun 2014

surveilled, if possible if Hitler did it. (And fucking evoke Godwin... think about it and let it is sink in.) The entire Bahamas, surveilled. WE RECORD EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL OF A SOVEREIGN NATION. We violate, the right to privacy, recognized as a human right in our Constitution, of an entire nation.

Five eyes. Sidestepping each countries privacy guarantees to spy on each others citizenry and sharing that information.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
3. THANK YOU. A voice insisting that 2+2=4.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:47 AM
Jun 2014

Because we have a hell of a lot of shameless, interactive telescreens telling us it's five.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
7. This is what the NSA apologists and surveillance state defenders don't understand
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jun 2014

That this is coming from a political figure from Poland, with its history of being oppressed by a totalitarian state, is very well-suited.

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