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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:46 PM Jun 2014

Ohio moves to redefine abortion to include some birth control devices.

"Ohio May Take Away Low-Income Women’s Access To The Most Effective Form Of Birth Control"
The Ohio legislature is currently considering a measure that would institute a sweeping ban on insurance coverage for abortion in state residents’ public and private health plans. Restricting women’s ability to use their insurance plans to pay for abortion is becoming an increasingly popular anti-choice strategy — and Ohio’s proposed legislation may actually go even further. The measure would also make it harder for low-income women to afford the most effective form of birth control.
House Bill 351, which was the subject of a committee hearing on Tuesday, seeks to prohibit insurance plans from covering “drugs or devices used to prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum.” That definition effectively bans several types of contraception, like the birth control pill and the IUD.
Residents with public insurance — which includes state government employees as well as low-income individuals who rely on Medicaid — are already prevented from using their coverage for most abortions. But since HB 351 stipulates they also can’t use it for any drugs that inhibit implantation, the legislation could end up functioning as a birth control ban for public insurance plans.
Rep. John Becker (R), who sponsored the bill, said during Tuesday’s hearing that birth control pills should not be banned under HB 351. But he still wants IUDs, which are long-acting forms of birth control that are inserted in the uterus, to fall under the ban because he considers IUDs to be a form of abortion. “This is just a personal view. I’m not a medical doctor,” he said.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/06/04/3444814/ohio-lawmakers-insurance-iuds/

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Ohio moves to redefine abortion to include some birth control devices. (Original Post) sufrommich Jun 2014 OP
Disgusting. I had a legal abortion in Ohio in 1977. sinkingfeeling Jun 2014 #1
Thank you for posting that. merrily Jun 2014 #49
I knew that this was what the Christo-Fascists were after get the red out Jun 2014 #2
Yep,its obvious where this is heading. sufrommich Jun 2014 #8
Don't forget controlled. merrily Jun 2014 #50
I've beenakong similar arguments for 3 decades. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #13
Yep. This was always part of their plan. Many of them don't even try to hide it. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #14
They never had any intention of banning abortion only theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #18
If birth control is banned... FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #20
And if they won't do it on their own, the rest of us will help them... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #34
*Someone* has to produce the next generation of worker drones LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #23
What point is there anymore to even talk about these people randys1 Jun 2014 #31
women need to practice birth control by cutting it off roguevalley Jun 2014 #62
In that case, Rep. Becker, since you are not a medical doctor you shouldn't be making decisions for Arkansas Granny Jun 2014 #3
"Their whole purpose seems to be subjugating women to their beliefs" TBF Jun 2014 #43
This has, of course, been the goal all along. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #4
The Handmaid's Tale theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #19
Griswold v. Connecticut. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #22
Gah! Lindsay Jun 2014 #5
not just what my female body can have but I will decide what ALL females can have randys1 Jun 2014 #32
Good Grief. Don't we STILL have a sagging economy and staggering wealth inequality? dballance Jun 2014 #6
Why one woman* in this state could ever vote republican is just staggering to me Botany Jun 2014 #7
here... PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #11
Perfect. nt sufrommich Jun 2014 #12
Exactly. nt TBF Jun 2014 #44
Going on facebook chrisstopher Jun 2014 #48
For those who don't know,most oral contraceptives sufrommich Jun 2014 #9
Most oral contraceptives prevent ovulation in the first place. No egg = no fertilization. Tess49 Jun 2014 #57
Some of the new pills ( well,new to me) sufrommich Jun 2014 #59
Seems like a lot of the women we see in our office prefer the nuva ring. This throws a wrench Tess49 Jun 2014 #60
I think the IUD is a safe alternative for women sufrommich Jun 2014 #61
Ay, oh, way to go, Ohio progressoid Jun 2014 #10
Been saying this has been their goal for a long time suffragette Jun 2014 #15
Won't pass. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #16
It will eventually pass,just like every other anti choice sufrommich Jun 2014 #25
Kick historylovr Jun 2014 #17
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2014 #21
Moved from Ohio 35 years ago and have never missed it Auggie Jun 2014 #24
Moved from Ohio in 1980 to the Bay area and never regretted it also! zwyziec Jun 2014 #38
Hey zwyziec ... Auggie Jun 2014 #54
Hi Auggie zwyziec Jun 2014 #64
Couldn't agree more with your point Auggie Jun 2014 #65
Horrible. This is all about controlling women and keeping them empoverished. Unfucking believable. bettyellen Jun 2014 #26
It's more than just keeping them impoverished,they sufrommich Jun 2014 #27
And impoverished children too. Poverty leads to dead-end jobs, crime, etc. arcane1 Jun 2014 #29
“This is just a personal view. I’m not a medical doctor” arcane1 Jun 2014 #28
He senses that something bad is going on sufrommich Jun 2014 #30
Too bad we can't ban idiots like this from legislating. City Lights Jun 2014 #33
I'd go a bit further myself. But I don't want a hidden post. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #35
"This is just a personal view. I’m not a medical doctor." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #36
They take their orders from politically powerful, sufrommich Jun 2014 #39
Agree completely. We need to be far more aggressive, all of us, in opposing this bullshit. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #40
I'm past the age of needing to worry about birth control. sufrommich Jun 2014 #46
When does life begin and when does the RCC start baptizing the zygote? zwyziec Jun 2014 #37
Organized religion is about money and power. Full stop. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #42
Pro Life Hypocrisy colsohlibgal Jun 2014 #41
Giving this a kick - needs more recs. nt TBF Jun 2014 #45
ALEC in action, NC is next. The 40 yr. old plan littlemissmartypants Jun 2014 #47
"I have brewing rage and I will not be ignored. #FJL" sufrommich Jun 2014 #52
Anti-woman, anti-gay, likes to lock n' load theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #51
Of course,that's the common trifecta. nt sufrommich Jun 2014 #53
At least they now admit it's really S.E.X. they're targeting. DirkGently Jun 2014 #55
If all women voted against the repugs rickyhall Jun 2014 #56
Rep. Becker tries to play doctor RainDog Jun 2014 #58
That's what the Dominionists aka American Taliban are ultimately after Triana Jun 2014 #63
"personal views" noiretextatique Jun 2014 #66

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
2. I knew that this was what the Christo-Fascists were after
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:52 PM
Jun 2014

Banning birth control. I have argued with so many people who swore to me this was not the case, well here it is.

I hate these people.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
18. They never had any intention of banning abortion only
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:44 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:18 PM - Edit history (1)

And as usual, the people who would be hurt most by this are POOR WOMEN.

They disgust me. THE LOT OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
20. If birth control is banned...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jun 2014

the only way to deal with the resulting over-population is a massive die-off.

I nominate the people who are trying to ban birth control for that honor.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
31. What point is there anymore to even talk about these people
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:27 PM
Jun 2014

We cant do anything about other than VOTE, and if we have apathy in November and a low turnout you can then turn to your friend who didnt vote and tell them they are to blame for this...

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
62. women need to practice birth control by cutting it off
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:19 PM
Jun 2014

lysistrata style. Some men in Ohio obviously have penis issues.

Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
3. In that case, Rep. Becker, since you are not a medical doctor you shouldn't be making decisions for
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jun 2014

women that involve medical procedures. Their whole purpose seems to be subjugating women to their beliefs.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. This has, of course, been the goal all along.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jun 2014

The major anti-choice orgs are either silent or openly opposed to, for instance, oral contraceptives, which they consider abortifacents, and as such morally equivalent to abortion.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. Griswold v. Connecticut.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:00 PM
Jun 2014

Even more than Roe, thats the one that really bugs them.

They hate the idea of consenting adults having a right to privacy about their own choices and bodies!

Lindsay

(3,276 posts)
5. Gah!
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:55 PM
Jun 2014

"I am not a doctor, but I will decide what medical care is available to women based on my entirely uninformed belief."

This. has. got. to. stop.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
32. not just what my female body can have but I will decide what ALL females can have
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

or what all males can have and I will decide it based on a complete ignorance of science

THIS IS A WAR, wake me up when you all get it

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
6. Good Grief. Don't we STILL have a sagging economy and staggering wealth inequality?
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:57 PM
Jun 2014

Did I miss the headline in the news that Griswold v. CT has been overturned?

IUDs are abortion now? That's quite a stretch but I'm not surprised Rep. Becker (MALE - GOP) is making it. Yep Rep. Becker - you are certainly NOT a doctor and your "personal view" should certainly outweigh the opinions of actual medical professionals and science. Of course, that's the GOP way of life.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
7. Why one woman* in this state could ever vote republican is just staggering to me
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jun 2014

* Except for the Christian Taliban, Home Schooling, I loves me some Jesus,
and "can I help out on election day?" types.

Good old small government republicans who want tot stick their nose up
into women's "lady bits."

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
9. For those who don't know,most oral contraceptives
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jun 2014

also stop fertilized eggs from attaching to the lining of the uterus.

Tess49

(1,577 posts)
57. Most oral contraceptives prevent ovulation in the first place. No egg = no fertilization.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jun 2014

The fail rate is very low if the pill is taken correctly. And, if a pregnancy occurs, the odds are that it will implant.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
59. Some of the new pills ( well,new to me)
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:18 PM
Jun 2014

do indeed have a failsafe built in to stop the fertilized egg from attaching if the sperm makes it through the cervix:

The Minipill works further by thickening the mucous around the cervix and preventing sperm from entering the uterus. The lining of the uterus is also affected in a way that prevents fertilized eggs from implanting into the wall of the uterus. The Minipill is taken every day. You may not have a period while taking the Minipill, if you do have periods that means you are still ovulating and your risk for pregnancy occuring is greater.

http://womenshealth.about.com/od/thepill/f/howpillworks.htm

Tess49

(1,577 posts)
60. Seems like a lot of the women we see in our office prefer the nuva ring. This throws a wrench
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jun 2014

into this goofball's attempts to deny women BC pills. It is neither a pill or an IUD. Or is it a device?

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
61. I think the IUD is a safe alternative for women
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jun 2014

who smoke.I choose an IUD when I was older and still smoked as it was less dangerous than any alternatives.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
25. It will eventually pass,just like every other anti choice
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:07 PM
Jun 2014

legislation has passed. Every anti choice bill that is now a law was originally described as unlikely.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
17. Kick
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jun 2014

Goddamn-it. Of course we knew this was their goal all along, but it's still infuriating to see them pushing it. More hatred of women on display.

Auggie

(31,061 posts)
54. Hey zwyziec ...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jun 2014

that was right after me. I moved to San Francisco in '79 and live in Napa Valley now.

zwyziec

(173 posts)
64. Hi Auggie
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:23 AM
Jun 2014

My wife and I lived in Mentor Ohio west East of Cleveland. We moved to the Bay area in 1980. My wife passed away in 1986, I remarried in 1988, worked as a CEO/COO/President of high tech companies, with an investment firm and as the Administrator of a large parish in San Jose. My wife is a native of Salem, Oregon so we moved to Wilsonville in 2005 after my third retirement.

We have a son in San Jose, one in San Francisco, one in Sacramento and one in Sedona. I love Oregon. It's Blue, secular and liberal where we live.

I only mention this to make a point. When we go back to Cleveland to visit my classmates who I've stayed in touch with over the past 69 years, since grade school, I am amazed at the stunted personal growth of those who stayed in Cleveland. These are the Reagan Democrats who bought the Welfare Queen meme and who today are as racist as they were back then.

Anyone who lives in the Bay area has to be tolerant, open minded, and educated, even if only by life's experience. Thank god I moved my family back then. Now I can look at my two grandsons, who graduated from Bellarmine College Prep in San Jose and are students at Gonzaga University in Spokane, and see how their lives have been improved by my "immigration" just as my grandparents gave me a great life with their "immigration" from Poland back in 1880.

We had a dear friend who lived in Napa Valley, Mary Catherine Zunt. She passed away two years ago after complications from a kidney transplant.

We just returned last week from our trip to San Jose for our grandson's graduation. It's always special to go back there unlike going back to Cleveland!!

I hope you have a great life in Napa. It's a special place. Keep in touch. Zwyziec

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
27. It's more than just keeping them impoverished,they
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jun 2014

will be made into human examples of what happens to women who believe they have sexual freedoms.It's punishment,pure and simple.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
29. And impoverished children too. Poverty leads to dead-end jobs, crime, etc.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jun 2014

Meaning, thanks to "ghetto economics" you can lock these poor kids up, make a ton of money with the private prison, and put them to work for free.

It's a win-win if you're an asshole.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. “This is just a personal view. I’m not a medical doctor”
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jun 2014

That says it all. I'm not a physicist but I'm going to ban gravity anyway, because it's my personal view that gravity is a force and the only force should be god.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
30. He senses that something bad is going on
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jun 2014

regarding ladies and their ladyparts,he doesn't know what,but it scares him.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
36. "This is just a personal view. I’m not a medical doctor."
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jun 2014

Yet he insists he has the right to impose this "personal view" upon an entire state. What a fucking idiot waste of human flesh - guys like this fucker and Todd Akin should be used for medical experiments.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
39. They take their orders from politically powerful,
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jun 2014

well funded anti choice,Christian fundamentalists groups. If they were just lone nuts spewing this crap they could be ignored,but they aren't and we ignore them at our own peril.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
46. I'm past the age of needing to worry about birth control.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jun 2014

But in all my life,I have never had a problem getting it and getting it using my insurance to get it. I say this as an aunt who two weeks ago went with my sister to Planned Parenthood to get my niece on the pill because she's sexually active,if young women don't start sending a clear message to these troglodytes ,through the voting booth and through political activism, to stay the fuck out of their business,we will see every right we fought for to control our own bodies go away.

zwyziec

(173 posts)
37. When does life begin and when does the RCC start baptizing the zygote?
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jun 2014

Life begins;

1. When the egg is fertilized by the sperm resulting in a zygote, or
2. When the fetus is able to exist on its own outside the womb, or
3. When the kids leave home and the dog dies.

The RCC teaches that the zygote is "ensouled" in the zygote, at the moment of conception.

Sine the RCC has eliminated the notion of "Limbo" the place of natural bliss where all unbaptized "babies" go when dead, then it makes sense that the RCC priests should start sprinkling water on belly of the mother as soon as she learns she is pregnant. Can't let those souls go to hell if there is a natural or deliberation act of abortion.

This could end up as a real money maker for the RCC with drive through baptisms, for a fee. And the mother could buy an indulgence at the same time.

What a conflicted belief system this RCC has on this issue and on women priests, homosexuality, contraception, abortion, celibacy, the Blessed Virgin, the Holy Trinity, etc. All these guys in funny hats have done is make their theology more complex and therefore more unrealistic.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
42. Organized religion is about money and power. Full stop.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jun 2014

Too bad millions and millions of people are still too blinded by naivete to see this.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
41. Pro Life Hypocrisy
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jun 2014

The war on women continues, this time in my state. It's not pro life - if it was so many of them would not rush to execute prisoners, including, especially in Texas, people with IQs under 70.

These people are crazy and evil, a bad combination.

littlemissmartypants

(22,418 posts)
47. ALEC in action, NC is next. The 40 yr. old plan
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jun 2014

TO END ROE VS. WADE IN THE SUPREME COURT. It has been the plan all along!! Thanks, Phyllis. I am furious!
No one should be in my vagina without my permission. Symbolic rape is still rape. I have brewing rage and I will not be ignored. #FJL

Love, Peace and Shelter. Lmsp

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
52. "I have brewing rage and I will not be ignored. #FJL"
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jun 2014

That's what we need,that's how we got it done the first time around.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
55. At least they now admit it's really S.E.X. they're targeting.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jun 2014

All the posturing about concern for "life" is dishonest to begin with. The real anti-abortion objection is that women -- especially poor ones -- might "get away" with having non-sanctioned sex without the risk of a dangerous or disastrous pregnancy.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
58. Rep. Becker tries to play doctor
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jun 2014

then admits he's not a doctor.

His view is entirely based upon his fantasy world.

This is not someone who should be sponsoring legislation in any house in any state. The only difference between this guy and other oppressive religious folks is the name they call the hateful being they call god.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
63. That's what the Dominionists aka American Taliban are ultimately after
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jun 2014

no abortion - ever - for any reason
NO birth control
NO sex ed

NOTHING.

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