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Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:09 PM Jun 2014

Okay, Arkansas, You're Up.



http://www.myarklamiss.com/story/d/story/ballot-title-approved-for-arkansas-marijuana-legal/98128/omAca2E-G0aTfW_516XPMw

Little Rock -- (KARK) An Arkansas marijuana legalization proposal is one step closer to the ballot.

This afternoon, the Arkansas Attorney General's office certified the popular name and ballot title of the Arkansas Hemp and Cannabis Amendment.

The amendment proposes that the cultivation, manufacturing, distribution, sale, possession and use of the cannabis plant and all products derived from the cannabis plant are permitted.

Approval of the ballot title means that supporters of the amendment can gather signatures of registered voters.



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Okay, Arkansas, You're Up. (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jun 2014 OP
Is Arkansas still pursuing a State DEATH PENALTY for unruly, minor Children? blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #1
Your post says nothing about Arkansas pursuing a State Death Penalty for unruly, minor children. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #2
If Arkansas can legalize.....then there is HOPE for the rest of the country. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #3
I hear you, AverageJoe and I'm optimistic this movement will spread throughout the nation Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #4
Wow Arkansas! But, this would help them out Cha Jun 2014 #5
Thanks for the thanks, Cha. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #6
Kick! Cha Jun 2014 #7
... Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #8
Kickety poo. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #9
I wouldn't hold my breath about the outcome Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #10
I hear you Art, but today there is a little more ammunition in favor of cannabis legalization. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #11
The economy in Arkansas is much like it has been in the recent past Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #12
Re: The initiative on the Arkansas ballot from 2 years ago to legalize medical marijuana Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #13
Here you go Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #14
Thanks for the link and answering my questions. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #15
Who knows? Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #16
In regards to the petitions the pro-side of legalization vs medicinal is that it eliminates Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #17
Arkansas is sometimes difficult to pin down with regard to public opinion. Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #18
.... Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #19
They have until July 7th to get enough signatures to put it on the ballot RainDog Jun 2014 #20
Thanks for the information, RainDog. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #21
Some state east of the Rockies has to be the first RainDog Jun 2014 #22
Here, here! Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #23
I won't be able to make it back by July 7th Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #24

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
2. Your post says nothing about Arkansas pursuing a State Death Penalty for unruly, minor children.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:36 AM
Jun 2014

This is what it says.



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/arkansas-republican-endorses-death-penalty-for-children/

A man running as a Republican for State Representative in Arkansas published a book in which he endorses the death penalty for rebellious children and much, much more.



Even if he were to win, which hasn't been established yet, doesn't mean the state government of Arkansas would pass such a law.

And who knows, if they legalize weed and he's exposed to some good herb, he might mellow out and become a hippie.





 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
3. If Arkansas can legalize.....then there is HOPE for the rest of the country.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:57 AM
Jun 2014

This was one of those regions in which marijuana(and opiates as well, btw)was primarily banned due to outright racism against Mexican-Americans and African-Americans.....as opposed to Northern areas, in which "substitution&quot you may recognize this as the precursor to the more modern "gateway" theory)was the most significant fear, so if the Natural State gets over this problem.....then it shouldn't be all that much of a challenge for the rest of the country, because Ark. is one of the most conservative states in the country. There IS hope. Let's work to make this reality throughout the nation.











Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
4. I hear you, AverageJoe and I'm optimistic this movement will spread throughout the nation
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:21 AM
Jun 2014

for several reasons.


1. The Internet is connecting the American People like nothing before and as this happens our ideas and ideals become more homogenized. It also serves to counter long time top down one way authoritarianism forms of media ie: T.V. and to a lesser degree radio and even major news papers which has in the past formed the basis for the peoples' definitions of reality.

The Internet by its very nature increases literacy.

In short the American People are waking up to confront this 70+ year reefer madness; tragic hoax which has been played against them.

2. In regards to the economics and medicinal power of cannabis, the genie is out of the bottle and in these times of heavy debt, wages not keeping up to inflation, the skyrocketing cost of health care, a world record breaking prison population, this provides some forms of alleviation, certainly not the cure all but common sense and logic dictates this can only help.

3. I believe racial attitudes are improving even in the South as the world becomes smaller, urbanization increases and we all become increasingly connected to each other via the Information Superhighway. In one sense the Internet is the technological culmination of Martin Luther King's dream, our debate and arguments are judged on their merit and our overall, long term, on line character, here we're all pixel colored.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
5. Wow Arkansas! But, this would help them out
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jun 2014

so much. Who knew back in the day that Cannabis and Hemp would come to the Rescue?!

thanks for your OP, Uncle Joe

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
10. I wouldn't hold my breath about the outcome
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:43 AM
Jun 2014

There was an initiative on the Arkansas ballot 2 years ago to legalize medical marijuana, and it failed, albeit by a somewhat narrow margin. This current ballot initiative probably goes a little too far-- if the *medical* marijuana initiative failed, then a *recreational* marijuana initiative is almost assuredly doomed to fail as well.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
11. I hear you Art, but today there is a little more ammunition in favor of cannabis legalization.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:55 AM
Jun 2014


http://rt.com/usa/163644-colorado-marijuana-crime-drop/

Crime down and revenue up in Colorado since start of marijuana legalization

The great green experiment underway in Colorado is continuing to yield considerable results after five full months of marijuana legalization, according to the latest statistics out of the first state in America to lift the prohibition on pot.

Crime in Colorado’s capital city, Denver, has dropped by more than a tenth, local law enforcement data reveals, and the state as a whole is expected to collect around $30 million in revenue this year as a result of weed taxes.

Colorado became the first of the 50 states to allow adults to legally purchase recreational marijuana at the start of 2014, and advocates, critics, politicians and the public from coast-to-coast have been looking that way ever since to see what that precedent-setting decision could mean for their own localized efforts to reform weed laws. Nearly half a year later, evidence suggests the experiment is largely so far a success.

Between January 1 and April 30, violent crime and property crime in Denver — the most populated city in Colorado, in terms of both people and weed dispensaries — dropped 10.6 percent compared to that same span one year earlier, official statistics reveal. Homicides have dropped to less than half of last year’s levels, and motor vehicle theft has shrunk by over one-third.

Economically speaking, rolling back the weed ban in Colorado has done wonders as well. The Associated Press reported this week that nearly $19 million in recreational marijuana was sold throughout the state in just the month of March, with $1.9 million of that going immediately to Denver to be divvied up by lawmakers to various state programs.

(snip)



I know the South generally likes to watch other states take the lead in progressive legislation before diving in but depending on how the economy is in Arkansas, they might follow Colorado's lead now that some preliminary results have come in.

Speaking of which how is the economy in Arkansas?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
12. The economy in Arkansas is much like it has been in the recent past
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:11 AM
Jun 2014

The northwestern part of the state is booming, thanks in large part to Wal-Mart, the University of Arkansas, a decent regional airport, various tourist destinations and recreational facilities, and a major retirement community. The unemployment rate is far below the national average, although some factories, like Kraft, have packed up and moved elsewhere.

On the other hand, the eastern part of the state, popularly known as "The Delta", has been in the economic doldrums like, forever. I imagine that some of the rice growers in the east are doing well, though, especially those who can grow the "Koshihikari" variety, since it can be sold to Japanese nationals in the US for a price that is much higher than the regular Riceland stuff.

The Little Rock area seems to be doing OK as well, but much of the rest of the state outside of the northwest is pretty sluggish. But the cost of living is generally lower than in much of the rest of the country.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
13. Re: The initiative on the Arkansas ballot from 2 years ago to legalize medical marijuana
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:19 AM
Jun 2014

which failed by a narrow margin.

Do you know how the vote broke down, which regions or areas primarily supported it and where it was most opposed?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
14. Here you go
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:29 AM
Jun 2014

It lost by only about 30,000 votes, out of more than a million cast. This article gives some explanation about supporters and opponents. I especially liked the quote by a resident of Fayetteville who was an outspoken opponent:

"This is not California. This is a safe town. You start promoting that and legalizing that for medical purposes and then it's going to lead to something else and then something else and then it's going to be worse than what it is."

Apparently, he was not living in Fayetteville back in the '70s, when it was a fairly safe town even though the Dream Merchant head shop was doing a very brisk business on Dickson Street, just a stone(r)'s throw from the university.

http://ballotpedia.org/Arkansas_Medical_Marijuana_Question,_Issue_5_%282012%29

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
15. Thanks for the link and answering my questions.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:42 AM
Jun 2014

So I guess the next step is to get enough signatures.



Peace to you, Art.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
16. Who knows?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:46 AM
Jun 2014

I might make it back in time to sign this year's petition. (I was in town 2 years ago when they were circulating the medical petition. Heck, even my mother supported it, although I'm not sure if she would support the recreational petition).

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
17. In regards to the petitions the pro-side of legalization vs medicinal is that it eliminates
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:05 AM
Jun 2014

ambiguity, the what ifs?

Legalization is being on the offense against our present day drug policy failures, it's black and white, the pro and cons can be debated on those merits, how legalization can positively affect the economy, reduce our exploding prison population, diminish the enrichment and empowerment of organized crime and cartels from prohibition, all the wasted money on prosecuting cannabis users and how many lives have been lost or ruined by the war against cannabis and conversely it could be used for medicinal purposes as well.

It seems to me just trying to pass a medicinal proposal puts the proponents on the defensive of what if the patients share their weed with non-sick people?

3% of the vote is pretty close perhaps Arkansas will carry it over the line this time.

I hope so.



Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
18. Arkansas is sometimes difficult to pin down with regard to public opinion.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:16 AM
Jun 2014

It's different from most of the other Old South states. While much of the southern part of the state is still "Deep South", much of the north is not. The state is pretty conservative, but there's a libertarian streak running through it as well. I think that limiting the initiative to medical marijuana last time might have garnered support from the elderly population (I signed the petition in front of a municipal facility that is frequented by lots of elderly users), but they might not be supportive if it is just treated as a recreational drug, rather than a medicinal drug.

Saying that,I wonder how many of my former high school classmates support the current initiatives. Back in high school ('70s), nearly everyone in my honors class openly admitted to using marijuana in a poll taken by my English teacher. Now that most of them have entered a stage of life where body pain is starting to become commonplace, I wonder how many of them would support the MMJ initiative, and how many would support the recreational initiative?

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
20. They have until July 7th to get enough signatures to put it on the ballot
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:31 AM
Jun 2014

78,133 are needed, and those have to be from a specified minimum of signatures in 15 of the seventy five counties in Arkansas.

Hope they get it on the ballot!

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
24. I won't be able to make it back by July 7th
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:46 AM
Jun 2014

So I guess I won't be able to sign the petition.

I suggest they focus on counties that have lots of college students and/or a large elderly population, as well as a relatively large overall population. Maybe they could focus on Benton, Washington, Craighead, Pulaski, Columbia, Jefferson, Baxter, Garland, Saline, Sebastian, Mississippi, Pope, Crittenden, Carroll and perhaps White counties. Heck, probably the whole town of Eureka Springs would sign the petition.

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