But I get your point.

You cant still be a repub and not be a part of the problem.

99.9% of the opposition to Obama FROM THE RIGHT as opposed to from the left, is based in racism.

I can prove that, BTW

but only if I would be allowed to quote it.

they disagree with, other than maybe saying he favors Gay marriage

EVERYTHING ELSE can be shown to have been supported by mainstream repubs BEFORE Obama supported it

therefore, the ONLY possible reason could be racism, this was never done before not even to Clinton

how about the stimulus? Most of the "fiscal conservatives" I know think that tax cuts for the job creators creates jobs. (And then they point to the '80's recovery as proof.)

Or the ACA? Yes, that came from R$$$, but they don't see him as a conservative anyway. (And look at what happened to Clinton's healthcare bill.)

The promise to close Gitmo.

There may be a few others.

(I'm not trying to be argumentative--these are things my Repub friends have brought up to me, that don't seem to have anything to do with race.)

REPUBLICANS created ACA in effect, but when Obama was for it, they were against it


Stimulus was done only when the cons could get most of it to be tax cuts which HURT the economy, so they were against the stimulus as well

So, even when they are against it they are opposed to their own policies. Partially.

The GOP supported everything that Clinton did right?

You can be partisan w/o being racist.

You can NOT be partisan against Obama and not be a bigot or racist unless you oppose OBama on something that you have ALWAYS been opposed to, so you tell me what you have against Obama that you have always been against that isnt a liberal complaint but a righty complaint

that republicans have always been against democrats even before we had a black president. Hypocritical republican behavior did not start in 2009.

You can be partisan w/o being racist.

partisanship we see from righty, we are seeing something different and new.

This is painfully clear to most, so I wont bother saying anymore

and they really, really hated Clinton, since many of his policies were policies they supported.

They hated Clinton and they hate Obama because they are Democrats. If both were Republicans, they would love them.

It's politics, for some that means hating the other team, on both sides. For others, it's 'is there a way we can find some common ground so we can do some good for this country'.

What is your point, I'm not getting it? If Obama was white, they would still hate him, because he's a Democrat.

Let me ask you this, are Democrats who despise Condi the liar, racists because they despise what she did to this country?

Are Democrats who despise SC Justice Thomas, racist, because they despise him for the harm he has done and still does on the SC?

Where is the logic in this?

If THEY are racists for despising this Dem President who they believe is harming the country because he is a Dem, them all Dems who feel that way about Thomas, Rice, Caine et al are also racists, no?

Don't forget lots of Republicans love Condi and the wacko Alan West.....so yes some are racist and some aren't....but that's true on both sides of the fence unfortunately.

Watch the news..every God Damn Day!!!

Check your privilege first?

But a dumb response which does not address my point..

Your point appeared to be if people thought one black person was good because of their political persuasion and another is bad because of theirs, you are racist. Well, the explains my views in regards to liking Obama and not Cain. Thus, using your logic, I am racist. And I disagree with that.

- which doesn't appear to be your belief. Think of how right-wingers praise Clarence Thomas, Allen West, etc. while heaping vitriol (often including outright slurs) on any black person who leans even slightly to the left.

These days, it's not so much a sign of outright (hypocritical) racism, but more of cultural prejudice(which do often tie together but are not quite the same thing), at least in the overall sense(though the former certainly is true in some cases, especially with Teabagger types; they may openly praise guys like West & Thomas, but they don't actually respect them in truth; they just see them as convenient shields.).

If anything, "prejudice" is what individuals (not even necessarily members of the majority) engage in amongst each other, while "racism" is the social and political structures which enshrine certain prejudices as the norm.

And the right wing is fucking racist, full stop. Not only are most of them prejudiced against nonwhites on a personal level, but as a whole they see nothing wrong with the social and political oppression of certain races - like treating black children as criminals practically from birth. A great many of these people's views on race aren't substantially different from their parents or grandparents who participated in lynchings etc.

its like they are analyzing and stretching every point to discredit my O.P..
I am not nearly as equipped as you to address their circular reasoning..
Gives me a headache..
Thanks for the help!!

on DU so not sure at whom this is directed.

are racists... Thats all.

you really need to get around more.

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You think this absolute hatred of Obama and the incessive drive to impeach..is based on
politics? Give me a break!!!

Republicans would never try to impeach a white guy!!!!

/sarcasm

I am sure this will be news to both him and his wife as well.

Because certain definitions of racism fit this ok, but others don't.

Bryant

then he's spot on.

Obviously!!!

The day Reagan used the term “Welfare Queen”.... WTF was that?

Using your Reagan standard.

But I'm sure she's evolved on many issues and race may very well be one of them.

How many freaking times have you heard that Obama is an Angry Black Man from Republicans..

Mine is mostly subconscious and primarily a benefit issue; whereas I receive benefit from a racist society and I dont spend 24/7 trying to fix it, I am a racist.

If I were Republican I wouldn't be on this board.

status as a white person, then yes....

right?

I mean this is basic stuff, I am including myself, I am not trying to be controversial.

This is the kind of stuff that would make a rightys head explode, we are better than that, we can admit our culpability even if it isnt intentional.

Not many people in the SJ movement actually do take it that far(I never did, and I was a bit of a radical myself once), but for those very few who do.....it primarily seems to be either self-degrading white college kids.....or other people with a real axe to grind(cases in point: Flavia Dzodan, and the proprietor of Gradient Lair).

Hurt feelings are nothing compared to what people of color go through in a racist society.

But since they have no tangible impact on my life - generally not being in a position to deny me a job, restrict me to certain neighborhoods, etc. - I see no real reason to be hung up about what they think.

If you really did have those issues in the past, and/or still struggle with them.....well, I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope you can overcome them.

have a nice day

but you failed miserably with this one, you REALLY did

and every single African American and Latino reading this agrees with me, or 99.999% of them do, now what does that tell you?

Because I have occasionally come across people who used to be actual racists and have tried to overcome that.....somehow I just thought, even if just for a brief moment, that you had actually had these struggles to deal with. But then again, maybe not.

us to continue

No, I have never been remotely close to overt racism, I walked away from a N word joke when I was

TEN YEARS OLD

so no, but I am benefiting from racism as all white americans are

No, I have never been remotely close to overt racism, I walked away from a N word joke when I was

TEN YEARS OLD

from it

DAILY


One of the biggest problems we have with racism in america is white people denying the rampant racism and how white people benefit from it...

As for me, I guess it's theoretically possible, but I probably would have found out about it by now if I had. So, at least in my case, it's safe to assume that I have not.

But my friend you are taking this too far, and is say it as somebody who is

A) Aware of it

B) Likely a victim of it.

C) I have fought against it

D) this is the real shocker, I know, but not limited to the US.


So what are you doing to stop it in places like oh Mexico? Nor is it as bad as it used to be. It has actually gotten better. I can tell, but hey...whatever.

As to your statement of 99.9% of Latinos agree with you! it's as bad of a generalization as the OP. Get away from the bumper sticker

too hung up on semantics. My main focus is to be a decent human being, as much as I can, and encourage others to do the same.

But really, no one who's grown up in a pervasively racist culture - and don't even try denying that the U.S. is one of them - is going to be totally unaffected by it. That's just the nature of things.

I’ve been indoctrinated by news media...I see young black men wearing hoodies coming my way on a mostly deserted street at night and my fight or flight responses kick right in..

"Separating minorities between good and bad is a sure tale sign of racism... "

How does DU feel about Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice etc?

My total being is about judging a man and his race,gender, nationality on his beliefs not anything else..

That's what racists do. And I'm not saying your parents are racist, I don't know them.

Or make insinuations that they are all to dumb to know that they should be Democrats? After all most of them benefited from Affirmative Action.
I think the way many Democrats speak of African American Republicans very racist.

culture.. Few Democrats have ever used that term unless they are Black...They have a right to..

I'm too busy towing my cow.

Never thought a steeler fan could figure it out..

Whats your Qb’s name again???

My hard HARD right-wing father is a republican but isn't a racist. He's wrong as fuck on just about every issue, but I can honestly say race doesn't play a part.

Few admit it...

yet they support a party that suppresses minority vote - why is that?

Taxes

Please go away!!!!

Am I a racist?

"Separating minorities between good and bad is a sure tale sign of racism... "

If you separate people of the same race into the "good ones" and the "bad ones", then the determination must be made on some factor other than race, since they are all from the same race.

I know "good ones" and "bad ones' from all races. How can the determination be based on race if people from the same race can be one OR the other?

It is not spoken but it’s in the minds of many..

Seriously, I have 99999 problems with Republicans, and yeah, there are some that are racist (as are some Democrats), but to blanket attack people like this is stupid.

A sad number of my family (mainly younger members who don't remember James Baker and his ilk) are Republican because they are small business owners and pretty much selfishly vote their pocketbooks on taxes and employment issues.

The religious members part on issues like abortion and Israel.

I don't agree with them, but they are not racist.

Ronald Reagan’s “Welfare Queens”? The new breed of Republican Racists in my opinion started the day he used that term..

Jesus christ on a cracker!!! Why do you all act brand new every cotton picking day???

1. On the expansion of slavery:

Lincoln said:
There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...
2. On shipping blacks back to Africa:

Lincoln said:
In the language of Mr. Jefferson, uttered many years ago, "It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation, and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degrees, as that the evil will wear off insensibly; and in their places be, pari passu [on an equal basis], filled up by free white laborers."
3. On outlawing slavery in the south (before the rebellion).

Lincoln said:
I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
4. On equality:

Lincoln said:
I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
5. On inter-racial marriage:

Lincoln said:
Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.
Enjoy






If you need me to get you more racist shit Lincoln said, please do not hesitate to ask.

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” Abraham Lincoln


If one votes for the racist everytime to benefit oneself at the expense of African Americans one will be called a racist.

have did a lot to give people rose-colored glasses about "Honest Abe" and other Republicans from yesteryear. I'm shocked that not that many people on a political messaging board seem to be aware of some of his comments related to race. And even among some of those who are, they'd say stuff like "well, he was a man of his time" or something.
If a person just goes by what they hear online about him, they'd think he was a saint who ended slavery solely out of benevolence and his "love" for blacks. It's almost like revisionist history. He mainly did it to preserve the Union against the Confederates.

What does the party of Abraham Lincoln have to do with the Republican Party of today? Answer: The name only.

And, yes, Abraham Lincoln expressed some pretty racist sentiments. Maybe not so racist in the context of the times but certainly racist today.

Racist does *not* mean "a person I dislike" or even "a person who supports political policies which I (not they) think will harm non-white people".

This kind of nonsense gets in the way of meaningful communication; please don't indulge in it.

But to be fair to you so many of the Republicans I met have seemed racist to me but not all of them.

This person is racist by association, even if he honestly believes he is not. That would be as far as I would go with your premise.

I just want to be sure that I pigeon hole myself into the correct category.

Not just a racist. I prefer the more generalized "asshole."

As the old saying goes, "I'm not a racist. I hate everybody equally."

were you Anti-Semitic?

If you are a Republican, are you a racist?

I(n) C(ase) A(nyone) N(otices).

Tell me about them...

My family and friends are none of your business. You have asked about them twice now. Makes no sense at all.

Teabaggers who are not racists... Let me ask you a question.. Do you believe that all Tea Party affiliates are not racists? Remember this however.. The Republican party has embraced the Tea Party for over 6 yrs..

This is telling, about you actually

The Republican Party has embraced the Tea Party for the past 6 years.. If I was in the Republican Party and saw those horrible disgusting Posters of Obama, and listen to Republican Party leaders support their political agenda..I would have bailed from the party immediately..Switched to Independent..

Should I post some of the disgusting Tea Party Rally posters?

To defeat them, cause they embraced them...right...and why my local race that matters the outside, tea party candidate only got what 11% of the vote?

If you wrote that three years ago you'd have more of a point. But things in US politics are never, ever, static.

The Tea Baggers have become a big problem for the Republican Party and only now after a 6 year love affair are they beginning to react..Chamber Of Commerce represents nothing but Corporate businesses.. Local chapters are different..

And I will again, highly recommend a basic course in US politics. Your local junior college should have several offerings.

Oh and my local party rejected the tea party guy, it was an outside group, with barely no influence in the Central Committee, who supported the Tea Party candidate.

See, you continue to use broad brushes. It is a great way to get nowhere.

Did you mean your local Republican Party which most likely embraced the Tea Part for over 5 years......Meaning they ignored those horrible disgusting racists posters of our President?

Give me a break!!!

It's California, has been dysfunctional for years. But they have been endorsing less radical folks. The Tea Party is a separate and frustrated affair. And they have gone from rallies upwards of 1000 people, open forum at Congresswoman Davis's in 2010 over the ACA with Heavy police presence...to with candidates, counting candidates, forty would be nice a month ago at a candidate forum.

I cover local politics son. In 2010 I counter protested these guys. In 2014 I did not break into hives. And we had a pleasant conversation over camera settings after the attempt to blame libs for fires went nowhere before the actual forum.

For the record, the Dems are just less dysfunctional.