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I dont believe the United States or the world will do nearly enough, nearly fast enough, to hold the rise in temperatures to safe levels. I think were fucked. Or, at the least, I think our grandchildren are fucked
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1) Weve waited so long that what America needs to do is really, really hard and maybe impossible: In the early 1990s, scientists converged on 2°C . Weve waited so long to begin cutting emissions that two degrees looks flatly impossible. Were on track for 4°C of warming . The question isnt whether well fail. Its how badly well fail .
2) The people most affected by climate change dont get a vote: This map the US is one of the countries least affected by global warming . Carbon emissions disproportionately benefit the US and disproportionately harm countries that are not the US .
3) Were bad at sacrificing now to benefit later .
4) The effects of global warming are not easily reversible .
5) The Republican Party has gone off the rails on climate change .
6) The international cooperation required is unprecedented, and maybe impossible .
7) Geoengineering is nuts .
Not to be a killjoy, but its hard to believe that the consequences of the huge, unpredictable changes to the global climate can be safely reversed by further efforts to make huge, unpredictable changes to the climate. So what now? I could make up a more optimistic story. I just dont believe it . On climate change, the truth has gone from inconvenient to awful. Right now were failing our future. And we will be judged harshly for it.
http://equitablegrowth.org/2014/06/05/morning-must-read-ezra-klein-7-reasons-world-will-fail-global-warming/
Depressing but it's hard to say that he is wrong.
Viva_Daddy
(785 posts)The history of humanity shows how slow it is to learn from mistakes. Nevertheless, we owe it to our children and grandchildren to not give up on them.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)The planet won't work if a single species hoards all the resources. Through civilization, little more than a resource hoarding process, that's where we're increasingly at.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Over 50% of the seafood we eat would not exist without new farming techniques, for example.
The oceans are now saturated with excess heat. They have acted as a giant heat sink. Heat is energy. A method to turn the heat in seawater into electricity would mean that we could tap a huge energy reserve AND cool the oceans. People who haven't given up, or perhaps just don't enjoy scaring the shit out of everyone, are working on global warming.
Saying we are doomed encourages people to do nothing. He IS wrong. Join us and make a difference:
http://www.imatteryouth.org/
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/07/five-groups-leading-the-charge-to-halt-climate-change/
muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)The oceans have more energy in them than they used to. But you can't convert that to any other form of energy unless you have a colder object to transfer some of the heat to - this is how a steam engine or jet turbine (or, effectively, an internal combustion engine) works - heat from the burning of fuel does work as it goes to the lower temperature surroundings (and, the bigger the temperature difference, the more work you get out - which is why jets are designed to run at as high a temperature as possible). So we'd need something cooler than the oceans to tap their energy - and something appreciably cooler to get a decent amount. But the air and earth warm up from global warming too, so there isn't a temperature difference to exploit. The best we could do would be exploit temperature differences between the top and depths of oceans (and there is research into that), but what you're doing there is moving the heat from the top into the deeper ocean - which may have consequences of its own (eg on currents).
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)and the world's 400+ fukushima type ticking time bombs.
While global warming is bad, nukes are a thousand times worse.
And given the ho-hum attitude the nuke deniers are humming, we're kicking that bucket.
Well, it was nice while it lasted.
Uncle Joe
(58,336 posts)insurance industry are or have woken up to this fact.
Rift Widening Between Energy And Insurance Industries Over Climate Change
He says that the United States suffered $400 billion in weather-related damages in 2011 and insured losses of $119 billion, which were record amounts. In 2012 and despite Superstorm Sandy losses were well above the 10-year averages at $165 billion total, of which insurers paid $50 billion. In 2013, insurance companies paid out, globally, $45 billion in claims, says Zurich-based Swiss Reinsurance Co., adding that the United States accounted for $19 billion of that.
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Not all carriers are passive. This past week, Farmers Insurance Co., a unit of the Zurich Insurance Co., filed suit against the city of Chicago for its alleged failure to prevent flood-related damages that it says are associated with climate change. It maintains that city officials are aware of the potential fallout from climate-related weather and yet they have done nothing to mitigate such events. As a result, it paid out millions in claims a year ago tied to storms in the city.
Other insurers, meanwhile, have broken ties to the Heartland Institute that denies man-made climate change, arguing instead that temperature fluctuations are a cyclical phenomenon. Thats one reason why Allied World Assurance AWH +0.45% Co., State Farm, Renaissance Re and XL Group are no longer financial supporters of the group.
Numerous studies assume a rise in summer drought periods in North America in the future and an increasing probability of severe cyclones relatively far north along the US East Coast in the long term. The rise in sea level caused by climate change will further increase the risk of storm surge, adds Peter Höppe, head of Munich Res Geo Risks Research.
Thanks for the thread, pampango.
sendero
(28,552 posts)..... no one fixes a problem the effects of which has not been realized.
The realization of effects thus far are not extreme enough to be categorically attributed to climate change.
By the time the effects ARE exreme enough, it will be way too late to do anything that will make much difference.
Climate change is coming. Nothing is going to stop it or its effects. About all anyone can do is prepare, i.e. if you live on the Florida coast you might want to consider relocating