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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:47 PM Jun 2014

Should the wage difference between women and men be addressed or left alone?

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We SHOULD take action to address the difference in compensation
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We SHOULD NOT take action to address the difference in compensation
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Should the wage difference between women and men be addressed or left alone? (Original Post) CreekDog Jun 2014 OP
Transparency in the private sector and enforcement is needed... bettyellen Jun 2014 #1
The simplest and perhaps best transparency is open pay rosters. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #2
I thought it was interesting what they found in govt jobs, as soon as they stopped auditing- the bettyellen Jun 2014 #5
The better question for DU is why ANYone on this Democratic message board would think Glitterati Jun 2014 #3
it's not an insult. we have a significant minority that is opposed to equal pay for women CreekDog Jun 2014 #4
Doesn't look like they're interested in responding here redqueen Jun 2014 #6
Of course not. CreekDog Jun 2014 #7
Over in our mens rights forum you can learn it is fictional. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #8
... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #15
The discrepancy needs to be dealt with. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #9
k&r Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #10
Let's start at the top. Women who work in the White House earn 88% of what men who work there earn. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #11
would you post an example? because I support what you're saying CreekDog Jun 2014 #12
If every female staffer in the White House was given a 13.6% raise, Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #13
i'm gonna hold you to that CreekDog Jun 2014 #14
This is where my distaste for almost all politicians kicks in joeglow3 Jun 2014 #17
i think the simplest fix to this and actually many other tangential pay problems La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #16
Absolutely, but to raise women's wages not to lower men's until there is parity and call it a fix TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #18
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. Transparency in the private sector and enforcement is needed...
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jun 2014

Ledbetter law should not have a one year limit. Much needs to be done.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
2. The simplest and perhaps best transparency is open pay rosters.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jun 2014

I worked in a company where out of necessity many of us needed to know pay rates in order to write bid proposals. The company made the bold move of just having everyone have access to it. This was a largish company with pay ranging from just above minimum wage to over $100/hr.

It's the place where people groused THE LEAST about what they made vs. other people. The bright shining light on the pay range for people in the same job category meant that management had to justify differences.

Now the company did have confidential management bonuses and may have been shortchanging women that way, but most employees didn't qualify for those bonuses.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. I thought it was interesting what they found in govt jobs, as soon as they stopped auditing- the
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

unexplainable discrepcies in pay came creeping back. Too many people argue no wage gap exists now only because it is so difficult to prove. It was proven to exist, just not in the private sector salary jobs, because we don't have the info.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
3. The better question for DU is why ANYone on this Democratic message board would think
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jun 2014

we should leave such an atrocity "alone."

This poll is an insult to the intelligence of any Democratic party supporter.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
4. it's not an insult. we have a significant minority that is opposed to equal pay for women
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

and furthermore, this poll helps show them that no matter how much of a nuisance they can be in Civil Rights posts, they represent almost nobody here.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
7. Of course not.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

they take a yes no position but only have the guts to defend it via passive aggressive or concern troll posts.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. The discrepancy needs to be dealt with.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 03:47 PM
Jun 2014

Women are paid less when during their working years and have more difficulty saving for retirement. They also tend to live longer than men.

Another way of saying it is that women earn less, can save less and then need more in retirement because they live longer than men.

If a woman's husband earns a high salary that is no problem.

But today, many elderly women are alone, struggling on Social Security that is lower than that of a man of her age would likely be.

The government steps in and provides Medicaid, food stamps and other welfare kinds of payments.

Thus, it is really the taxpayers who end up covering the difference between the pay women earn and the higher pay that men earn.

In addition to equal pay, working women who have children need fully paid family leave -- mandatory paid family leave.

When we lived in Europe, in addition to paid maternity leave, families received a supplement to their income to cover a few basic costs for each child. When we moved back to the US and planned to stay here, we had to pay that money back, the money we received for each child. That is called "Kindergeld" in German. It is an investment that the nation makes in each child. When my children were infants, I figured it about paid for the diapers, so it wasn't a lot of money, but it helped. It recognized the fact that we are all in this together. Other people's mothers and other people's children are important to us when we consider the quality of our own lives.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. Let's start at the top. Women who work in the White House earn 88% of what men who work there earn.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jun 2014
As President Obama prepares to unveil two new executive orders aimed at narrowing the wage gap between men and women, press secretary Jay Carney defended the fact that women at the White House earn, on average, 88 cents for every dollar that men do.

During the White House briefing Monday, reporters asked Carney to explain why an analysis by the American Enterprise Institute found the median salary for female White House staffers was 12 percent lower than those of male staffers.

"What I can tell you is that we have as an institution here have aggressively addressed this challenge, and obviously, though, at the 88 cents that you cite, that is not a hundred, but it is better than the national average," he said. "And when it comes to the bottom line that women who do the same work as men have to be paid the same, there is no question that that is happening here at the White House at every level."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/07/the-white-houses-own-wage-gender-gap/


So how about a little leadership from the top on this issue?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
12. would you post an example? because I support what you're saying
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jun 2014

but would like an example of which one.

you know, because we all know how serious you are.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. If every female staffer in the White House was given a 13.6% raise,
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

then the median salary for female White House staff members would be equal to the median salary for male White House staff members.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
17. This is where my distaste for almost all politicians kicks in
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

Your solution is extremely simple and could have been implemented years ago. I think many politicians don't actually want to solve problems. I think they want to take small steps, but want the problem to persist. That way, they continue to have an issue to bring up and they can point to the small steps and continue to drum up support at the polls to attain their REAL goals...re-election, continued power and, above all else, money.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
16. i think the simplest fix to this and actually many other tangential pay problems
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jun 2014

is open access to pay info within an organization

TheKentuckian

(25,011 posts)
18. Absolutely, but to raise women's wages not to lower men's until there is parity and call it a fix
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

Because to any extent we are seeing movement, it seems like that is the way it is playing out.

We desperately need wage trends to move up.

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