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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:49 PM Jun 2014

Putin Goes On Sexist Rant About Hillary Clinton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/05/vladimir-putin-hillary-clinton-weak_n_5449851.html

Russian President Vladimir Putin had some choice words for Hillary Clinton during an interview this week, calling the former Secretary of State a "weak" person who's "never been too graceful in her statements."

Putin's comments Tuesday came in response to questions posed by French journalists regarding remarks Clinton reportedly made earlier this year in which she compared the Russian leader's aggression in Ukraine to Adolf Hitler’s tactics in the 1930s.

"It’s better not to argue with women," Putin said, per a transcript of the interview posted online by the Kremlin. "But Ms. Clinton has never been too graceful in her statements. Still, we always met afterwards and had cordial conversations at various international events. I think even in this case we could reach an agreement. When people push boundaries too far, it’s not because they are strong but because they are weak. But maybe weakness is not the worst quality for a woman."
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As is often said around these here parts, sexism and homophobia often go hand in hand.

Putin is a piece of garbage.
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Putin Goes On Sexist Rant About Hillary Clinton (Original Post) stevenleser Jun 2014 OP
This past week in leadership and punditry JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #1
Homophobia and sexism do often go hand in hand. merrily Jun 2014 #2
It goes full circle. Beacool Jun 2014 #4
This is so true JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #6
Look at it this way... DonViejo Jun 2014 #3
... Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #15
Well, I'll give Palin one thing. Beacool Jun 2014 #35
Unless we're Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #36
That's another story............ Beacool Jun 2014 #37
Yeah, Putin's a homophobic, sexist asshole.. and it pisses me off all the fans he has on DU. Cha Jun 2014 #21
She did compare the guy to Hitler pscot Jun 2014 #5
Oh, well then a sexist rant in response is totally understandable. redqueen Jun 2014 #7
Condescendng yes pscot Jun 2014 #12
"But maybe weakness is not the worst quality for a woman." redqueen Jun 2014 #14
That's a point of view pscot Jun 2014 #20
In case you haven't noticed, redqueen.. Putin has his fans on DU who will stick up for all his Cha Jun 2014 #25
I'm not a fan pscot Jun 2014 #28
Yeah, yeah you're not fan. Cha Jun 2014 #29
The fact that you don't think that a man saying that weakness in a woman is not a bad quality Beacool Jun 2014 #19
It's definitely sexist pscot Jun 2014 #23
OK, I'll give you that. Beacool Jun 2014 #33
In that case, his saying her comments are not graceful is an understatement. merrily Jun 2014 #10
So did a host of other people. Beacool Jun 2014 #11
So? this is putin's revenge? Cha Jun 2014 #22
That is not true. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2014 #27
Putin fears Hillary. This is why he says these things. He knows she won't put up with his bullshit. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #8
that was my first thought too.. putin's thinking ahead when he's still dictator in 2017. Cha Jun 2014 #26
Sexism is common with russian politicians,so sufrommich Jun 2014 #9
The perception of women as ruled by their emotions is as old as human history. Beacool Jun 2014 #13
Great post,Beacool!! sufrommich Jun 2014 #17
Thank you!!! Beacool Jun 2014 #18
A man after the GOP's own heart (nt) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #16
I'm not surprised at how closely Putin and right wing America are tracking these days RainDog Jun 2014 #24
Putin has solidified his status as a hero on Free Republic Jim Lane Jun 2014 #38
Well...she compared him to Hitler...so it's a bit of "tit for tat" Hillary can take it... KoKo Jun 2014 #30
Nice to know that you support sexism. Beacool Jun 2014 #34
Hey Vlad DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #31
they're both grandstanding Enrique Jun 2014 #32

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
1. This past week in leadership and punditry
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:52 PM
Jun 2014

I keep feeling compelled to make these men go sit in the corner on the naughty chair.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Homophobia and sexism do often go hand in hand.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jun 2014

What is a common bigoted criticism of a gay man? "Not a real man."

Know who is really "not a real man?" A woman.

Man up? No, thanks, but no.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
4. It goes full circle.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jun 2014

What is a strong woman often accused of being? A lesbian.

Putin is a megalomaniac who pines for the days of the old Soviet Union. If left unchecked, he will attempt to annex other former Soviet Republics, not just the Crimea.

It doesn't come as a surprise that a homophobic bigot who suppresses freedom of speech, cheats in elections and is a xenophobe; would also be sexist. Hillary must have gotten a good laugh when she heard his comments. She's heard far worse.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
6. This is so true
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jun 2014
What is a strong woman often accused of being? A lesbian.

Exactly - and it's his whole spectrum of thinking. It always goes full circle with this type of man.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
3. Look at it this way...
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jun 2014

Every time Putin opens his mouth he proves that he really does belong in the Republican Party.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
35. Well, I'll give Palin one thing.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

She can probably shoot just as well as Putin. I may detest everything she stands for, but being "weak" is not one of her shortcomings.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
25. In case you haven't noticed, redqueen.. Putin has his fans on DU who will stick up for all his
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

shit.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
28. I'm not a fan
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:47 PM
Jun 2014

But Putin is an interesting person. He's unique. He's a throwback, like someone out of the 19th century. And the Russians seem to like him.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
19. The fact that you don't think that a man saying that weakness in a woman is not a bad quality
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jun 2014

is not sexist, is quite disconcerting. Think about it.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. In that case, his saying her comments are not graceful is an understatement.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jun 2014

But, when your reaction to someone is to go sexist (or homophobic, or anti-Semetic, or or or), that goes beyond unfortunate interactions with an individual. It pretty much just reveals your bigotry.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
11. So did a host of other people.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jun 2014

They were not comparing the men, but their actions and reasoning for invading another country. The analogy was not incorrect.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
27. That is not true.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jun 2014

She pointed out the similarities between Putin's and hitler's excuses used to invade independent nations. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Are you suggesting that his sexist rant is justified?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
8. Putin fears Hillary. This is why he says these things. He knows she won't put up with his bullshit.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jun 2014

He knows she will run circles around him, he's no politician, he's no diplomat, he's no leader.

He's an autocrat with delusions.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
9. Sexism is common with russian politicians,so
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jun 2014

is homophobia:

But it turns out The Furies of Maidan is not a figment of his imagination. It is a real “investigative report” that aired last Saturday on NTV, one of Russia’s major television networks. Subtitled “Sex, Psychosis, and Politics,” the 30-minute feature makes exactly the same point as Zhirinovsky’s rant: that the displaced energy of sexually frustrated or pathological women was a driving force behind Ukraine’s Euromaidan revolution. In the dramatic words of the 45-second promo: “They like it hard. They are turned on by danger. And woe to anyone who fails to appreciate them.”

While the report could be mistaken for a clever if over-the-top parody clip, it is not. A wild mélange of paranoia, smear, sleaze, misogyny, and homophobia that makes Rush Limbaugh look politically correct, The Furies of Maidan offers a disturbing glimpse into the state of Russia’s government-run mainstream media—and into the toxic sludge of propaganda it regularly dumps on a largely uncritical public.

As it happens, one of the “furies” is an American, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, who has been in the news as a strong backer of the Maidan protests that led to the ouster of former president Viktor Yanukovych. In real life, Nuland is married to historian Robert Kagan and has two children. But the NTV program makes no mention of that. NTV’s Nuland is “rumored” to be a person of “nontraditional sexual orientation”—that is, a lesbian. For proof, an “expert on sexual disorders,” Dr. Alexander Poleyev, points out that the American has a “mannish voice” and broad shoulders. Then it is revealed that even more sexual issues may be lurking in Nuland’s background: When she was in her 20s, she spent a few months working on a Soviet fishing trawler, and you know what happens when you’ve got a young woman on a ship with dozens of horny sailors.

The rather shaky logic of this would-be exposé, which simultaneously insinuates that Nuland is a mannish lesbian and a heterosexual nympho, is typical of the entire program. Take the opening segment, which deals with politician and academic Iryna Farion, a member of the far-right Svoboda party known for her obsession with the purity of the Ukrainian language. Farion has come under a lot of valid criticism, both from fellow Ukrainians and human rights groups, especially after a 2010 video that showed her haranguing 5-year-olds in a kindergarten about the evils of overly Russian-sounding nicknames. But Furies merely skims this unsexy subject, focusing instead on Farion’s alleged psychosexual issues. Footage of her meeting with a right-wing paramilitary group—in a tight red dress and high heels, no less!—is accompanied by narration explaining that “people who know Farion say she has long been prone to heavy breathing around men in uniform.” You see, 50-year-old Farion divorced her husband several years ago, reportedly after his second conviction for fraud—and, unable to find another man, has turned into a “mad fury,” perennially “unsatisfied” (nudge, nudge) with the situation in Ukraine.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/25/want-a-good-look-at-putin-s-pervy-propaganda-see-the-furies-of-maidan.html

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
13. The perception of women as ruled by their emotions is as old as human history.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jun 2014

Notice how it was Eve who convinced Adam to take a bite of the apple that caused God to throw both of them out of Eden. It was Delilah who seduced Samson and cut his hair. The stories are endless. Women have been historically perceived as willful creatures, who can't be trusted, who are not as smart as men, who are manipulative and who will use their feminine wiles to achieve their ends. Men are seen as victims of women, therefore they have the right to control them both in body and mind or they will be emasculated by these conniving creatures.

The article mentions Nuland and "the shaky logic" that she is simultaneously a lesbian and a loose woman. Well, that has been how Hillary has been perceived ever since her entrance into national public life. Remember the outrage over her comment about choosing to practice her profession instead of staying home and baking cookies? It's amazing that in the latter part of the 20th century such an innocuous comment was treated with such anger. To this day there are many people who are convinced that she's a lesbian, at the same time believing that Hillary and Vince Foster had a torrid love affair that culminated with her ordering his assassination. The lack of logic doesn't seem to faze them.

Hillary elicits a visceral reaction in some people that goes far beyond politics. The hatred is such that anything and everything is believed about her. One doesn't even have to go too far, read some of the comments on any article on Hillary that is posted on this site and you'll see what I mean.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
24. I'm not surprised at how closely Putin and right wing America are tracking these days
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:11 PM
Jun 2014

Authoritarianism, sexism, disdain for democracy, large prison populations (tho we're number 1!!!), making money for the oligarchs...

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
38. Putin has solidified his status as a hero on Free Republic
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jun 2014

There were already plenty of Freepers cheering his homophobia (which should be added to your list). His attack on Clinton generated at least five separate threads on FR.

Some of the Freepers still have a bit of residual uneasiness about praising a Russian dictator. In one of those let's-bash-Hillary threads, a poster named skeeter wrote, "I sincerely hope my saying 'Putins right' doesn't offend anyone." Not to worry, skeeter, it's been going on over there for a while.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
30. Well...she compared him to Hitler...so it's a bit of "tit for tat" Hillary can take it...
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jun 2014

She certainly had a good time of it cackling over Ghadaffi's death which was quite offensive given her position in Global Politics so sure that she speaks for all Americans she can't get over herself.

She fight's "dirty" and Putin gave back at her. Hey....it's just politics .....not to take too seriously
Even if our Politicians Global and Local behave like "Reality TV Show" participants.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
34. Nice to know that you support sexism.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jun 2014

Putin didn't just try to be dismissive of Hillary, but of women in general.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
31. Hey Vlad
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:53 PM
Jun 2014

I think you should have asked Dilma Rouseff and Angela Merkel about this rant, unless you already consider them your servants. If so, I have a feeling you may get surprised.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
32. they're both grandstanding
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jun 2014

comparing Putin to Hitler plays well over here, and macho sexist attacks on a famous American, who might be the next President, plays well over there.

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