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applegrove

(118,492 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:20 PM Jun 2014

"This Computer Genius Just Fixed Our Democracy"

This Computer Genius Just Fixed Our Democracy

by Josh Dieker at Blue Nation Review

http://bluenationreview.com/hi-tech-just-fixed-democracy/

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Over the years, the Supreme Court has heard numerous cases on redistricting and a few principals have been put in place to guide the process. Districts should be “compact.” That means the geographic shape of the district shouldn’t have long tendrils, nor should it snake about the map, picking up some neighborhoods, while cutting others out. The districts must also be contiguous, meaning that they can’t have islands spread out all over the place.

Ideally local political subdivisions, such as cities or counties will be kept together, and “communities of interest” should be maintained. It’s this requirement, laid out in a 1995 case called Miller v. Johnson, that has given state legislatures carte blanche to draw lines essentially however they like. Though the court’s intent was to create a guideline to reduce political gerrymandering, they instead created a principle so vague that it can cover a variety of sins. It’s unclear what a community of interest is, and so legislators use it as an excuse to ignore compactness and local political subdivisions, and draw crazy, spindly districts that only make sense if you look at them from the perspective of protecting the majority party’s position.

To combat the political manipulation of the districts, a few states have gone to non-partisan redistricting committees, but this solution has a limited impact. The committee members are appointed politically and so the question of political manipulation remains. Software engineer Brian Olson has proposed another solution.

Olson wrote a program to draw districts that are both compact, and equal in population. It follows neighborhood boundaries by using census blocks to avoid drawing arbitrary lines through properties, and it takes politics totally out of the equation. This kind of solution would require some changes to the legal rules about redistricting that have been put in place by Congress and by the Supreme Court over the years, but it might just put both parties back on an equal footing going into each election, rather than protecting whichever party happened to be in power during the redistricting year.

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"This Computer Genius Just Fixed Our Democracy" (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2014 OP
genius? tk2kewl Jun 2014 #1
Every time I hear of democracy being fixed, I wonder Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #2
I think of it as "The Fix is in" Bandit Jun 2014 #7
Yeah. That too. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #14
The 'problem' would be... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #3
I think a bigger problem is that there's ANY way to draw those lines FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #6
pfft, just like touch screen computers fixed our vote? NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #4
A few "principals"? Helen Borg Jun 2014 #5
The problem with gerrymandering is social, not technical phantom power Jun 2014 #8
The Equality of ''The Machine.'' DeSwiss Jun 2014 #9
Am I the only one who followed the link Flying Squirrel Jun 2014 #10
I did too lovemydog Jun 2014 #12
The "ghost in the machine" speaks! :) n/t cascadiance Jun 2014 #16
They don't want fairness, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #11
" it might just put both parties back on an equal footing going into each election" bearssoapbox Jun 2014 #13
Who could've foreseen politicians making THEMSELVES the "community of interest"? Beartracks Jun 2014 #15
 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
1. genius?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jun 2014

It's basically the same technology used to create gerrymandered districts minus the analysis of politcal affiliation.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. Every time I hear of democracy being fixed, I wonder
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jun 2014

if they're not using the word "fix" in the same sense as when one speaks of getting a dog fixed.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. The 'problem' would be...
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jun 2014

this fair redistricting process will inexorably create Democratic Party dominance forever!

Republicans would cry "how unfair!"

Majority representation? Our Founding Fathers never said anything about computers!



FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
6. I think a bigger problem is that there's ANY way to draw those lines
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:18 PM
Jun 2014

that will actually lead to GOP victories.

In a sane country that just wouldn't be possible. Too many people in every region would know better.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
4. pfft, just like touch screen computers fixed our vote?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jun 2014

and there's no talk about the access of money in all this, or the advertisement issue which is the whole point to all that money? way to miss the point.

go do real work, genius. you obviously cannot understand the grand complexity of human interactions and motivations if you think this delightfully naïve attempt will work. we're humans, not predictable and selfless angels. your understanding of logic and common sense is woefully not shared throughout the populace.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
8. The problem with gerrymandering is social, not technical
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jun 2014

Gerrymandering doesn't happen by accident, because humans can't draw up sane district polygons on our own. It happens because humans deliberately want to draw up insane boundaries, to game the system.

A computer program to draw sane, unbiased polygons will be ignored as a solution, because the people who gerrymander want exactly the opposite.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
9. The Equality of ''The Machine.''
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jun 2014
- K&R

I have had a thought about this recently which I will tell you. One of the science fiction fantasies that haunts the collective unconscious is expressed in the phrase "a world run by machines"; in the 1950s this was first articulated in the notion, "perhaps the future will be a terrible place where the world is run by machines."

Well now, let's think about machines for a moment. They are extremely impartial, very predictable, not subject to moral suasion, value neutral, and very long lived in their functioning. Now let's think about what machines are made of, in the light of Sheldrake's morphogenetic field theory. Machines are made of metal, glass, gold, silicon, plastic; they are made of what the earth is made of. Now wouldn't it be strange if biology is a way for earth to alchemically transform itself into a self-reflecting thing.

In which case then, what we're headed for inevitably, what we are in fact creating is a world run by machines. And once these machines are in place, they can be expected to manage our economies, languages, social aspirations, and so forth, in such a way that we stop killing each other, stop starving each other, stop destroying land, and so forth. Actually the fear of being ruled by machines is the male ego's fear of relinquishing control of the planet to the maternal matrix of Gaia.


~Terence McKenna

bearssoapbox

(1,408 posts)
13. " it might just put both parties back on an equal footing going into each election"
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

That right there would have the rethugs screaming 'UNFAIR!!!!'.

Because they know that all things being equal means that they will lose.

The only way they can win is to cheat and try to keep people from voting.

They show it, and prove it, almost every day.



edit: forgot sentence

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