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Mass Fish Deaths: Millions Have Been Found Dead All Over The World In The Past Month
Thursday, June 5, 2014
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Millions of fish are suddenly dying all over the planet. In fact, there have been dozens of mass fish death events reported in the past month alone. So why is this happening? Why are fish dying in unprecedented numbers all over the world?
When more than six tons of fish died in Marina Del Ray over the weekend, it made headlines all over the United States. But the truth is that what just happened off the southern California coast is just the tip of the iceberg. In 2014, mass fish die-offs have pretty much become a daily event globally.
Individually, each event could perhaps be dismissed as an anomaly, but as you will see below when they are all put together into one list it truly is rather stunning. So is there a reason why so many fish are dying? Is there something that connects these mass fish death events? Has something about our environment changed?
The following are just a few examples of the mass fish death reports that have been coming in day after day from all over the globe
more...
http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2014/06/mass-fish-deaths-millions-have-been-found-dead-all-over-the-world-in-the-past-month.html
randys1
(16,286 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)The 1% will need lots of food
Rex
(65,616 posts)We are way due for earth's sixth mass extinction cycle.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Bad, bad Rex!
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)lack of shellfish.
I think plankton are even shellfish. Anyway, they're at the bottom of the food chain and can't make strong shells if the ocean gets too acidic.
I'd read the articles to see if this is mentioned, but I'm too disheartened, frankly. Maybe another day...
Leme
(1,092 posts)top predator fish were dying...with full stomachs.
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the thing was, they usually also ate a higher quality fish (for them) that provided things they needed
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so there was enough food...just not in proportions of what they needed.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I guess I could've just googled that question
I'd heard about larger shellfish but hadn't thought about the smaller ones. That's pretty much the foundation of the food chain.
Uncle Joe
(58,282 posts)http://centerforoceansolutions.org/climate/impacts/ocean-acidification/decalcification/
As higher levels of CO2 are absorbed into the oceans, fewer carbonate ions (CO32- ) are available for organisms such as corals, clams, sea urchins and plankton to produce their calcium carbonate (CaCO3) shells and skeletons. With increasing ocean acidity, the rates at which reef-building corals produce their skeletons decreases, and if the carbonate concentration falls too low, the shells may start to dissolve. By the middle of the century, coral reefs may erode faster than they can be built.
These impacts will have serious consequences for people that depend on the reefs for their livelihoods, whether from subsistence use or from larger scale tourism, coastal protection and commercial fisheries. Studies show that the consequences become successively worse as CO2 concentration increases, and unmanageable for CO2 concentations above 500 ppm.1
A lower pH means it will become harder for some plankton to maintain their protective shells. Plankton, which are tiny floating plants and animals, form the base of the ocean food chain and produce over half the oxygen in the air we breathe. Many types of plankton, for example, cocoolithophores and foraminifera, form calcium carbonate shells and will be affected by acidification.2 Shell weights of foraminifera are currently 30-35% lower than shells of their counterparts from thousands of years ago, suggesting that acidification may already be negatively affecting these species.3 These organisms play important roles in ocean-atmosphere interactions. However, further research is needed to predict the effects that may arise from their decline.
A lower pH is not only trouble for corals and plankton, but is likely to affect a wide range of marine organisms. For instance, it may decrease the survival rates of young fish.4 Scientists predict that mussel and oyster calcification could decrease significantly by the end of the 21st century.5 And crustose coralline algae, a major component of marine habitats from polar to tropical regions, have calcium carbonate components. These algae help provide the foundation for the growth of corals and if affected by ocean acidification, coral reefs may be compromised.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)for Congress to worry about. Like suing the Prez for not invading Colorado to enforce federal law...
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)They usually happen in summer; hotter water holds less oxygen.
Are there more of them than usual?
msongs
(67,351 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)hatrack
(59,574 posts)Potential connections in other oceans?
Of course, with acidification, bottom trawling, toxins, dead zones, full-on collapse of reefs and massive industrial overfishing lending a hand.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)These are definitely "interesting" times.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)coupled with much warmer ocean water temps in the summer for the west coast.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)on that possible "biggest El Nino ever"? The info I have been seeing says an El Nino is expected (though as always there is a chance it fizzles instead) but I have seen no claims that it is expected to be all that severe.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)hatrack
(59,574 posts)The Climate Prediction Center, part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, issued its latest monthly outlook on the state of the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (or ENSO, the name for the broader phenomenon) on Thursday, with little change from last months update. The only differences were a slight increase in the probability that El Niño will be in place this summer, and a tentative guess at how strong that El Niño might turn out to be.
Theres no big game changer there, said Michelle LHeureux, a CPC meteorologist who helps put together the outlooks.
El Niño is the part of the ENSO cycle characterized by warmer-than-average sea surface temperatures in the central and eastern tropical Pacific. (Its counterpart, La Niña, is characterized by colder-than-average temperatures in the same region.)
Everyone from hurricane forecasters to drought-weary farmers in California is closely watching the El Niño updates because those temperature perturbations influence oceanic and atmospheric patterns, in turn affecting the weather in particular regions around the globe. For example, El Niños tend to tamp down on hurricane formation and growth in the Atlantic Ocean basin, while typically bringing rainy winters to California, which is sorely in need of some rain. El Niño could even push 2014 or 2015 to be a record warm year.
EDIT
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/no-el-nino-yet-still-expected-this-summer-17517
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)and the Colorado river system could use some help too..
mixed blessings
Submariner
(12,497 posts)mother earth needs to starve off a few billion people or so and get back down to "Carrying Capacity".
So with higher temps we will see more dissolved oxygen crashes and more thermal event die-offs.
In my work I'm seeing fish sex changes happening from wastewater treatment plant effluent full of dissolved birth control pills, oxycontin, valium, xanax, lipitor, etc, etc.
Some fish are maturing a year or two earlier and much smaller trying to adapt and survive our onslaught of the ocean.
Nothing to see here...it's just EXTINCTION.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)more winter kill than usual. It happens every year in shallow lakes, but this year it affected lakes that hadn't had a winter kill for many years. The drought in CA and other western states has also caused many lakes to lose lots of water, and that has killed many fish.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)joanbarnes
(1,721 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Those bodies of water don't exist in a vacuum.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)And also a concentration gradient of die off's around the Fukishima area. I doubt it is Fukishima but I do wish our government were being a little more proactive in radiation monitoring the situation on the west coast.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)The answer to your question is no. This is not the product of Fukushima.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And much of the most important research on plutonium is classified. What we know is pretty damn scary:
DOE-STD-1128-98
Guide of Good Practices for Occupational Radiological Protection in Plutonium Facilities
EXCERPT...
4.2.3 Characteristics of Plutonium Contamination
There are few characteristics of plutonium contamination that are unique. Plutonium
contamination may be in many physical and chemical forms. (See Section 2.0 for the many potential sources of plutonium contamination from combustion products of a plutonium fire to radiolytic products from long-term storage.) [font color="purple"]The one characteristic that many believe is unique to plutonium is its ability to migrate with no apparent motive force. Whether from alpha recoil or some other mechanism, plutonium contamination, if not contained or removed, will spread relatively rapidly throughout an area. [/font color]
SOURCE (PDF file format): http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2013/10/f3/DOE-STD-1128-2013.pdf
Really would appreciate if the United States government, such as the EPA and NOAA, were monitoring ocean radiation and sharing the data in real-time, making public what they find.
If you know of a website, I'd be much obliged for the info.
Uncle Joe
(58,282 posts)Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.
psiman
(64 posts)The author slaps out a pile of Horribles and screams BOOGA BOOGA BE AFRAID! without the least effort to create a context for understanding whether these individual die offs are, in fact out of the ordinary.
To add insult to buffoonery, a related article holds up Fox News talking head Carol Alt (a super model who has been on over 700 magazine covers) as an expert on GMOs and cites her opposition to vaccines as proof of her credibility.
Which in the process completely destroys the credibility of babylonsister as a scientifically informed citizen and http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com as a source for legitimate news.
Come on, people, we can do better than this! Once a site develops a reputation as a purveyor of ignorant woo, the stench lingers years; why do so many people tolerate this garbage?
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)people who're doing research and guess what, BS, er um, I mean, PSiman? SOMETHING IS HAPPENING...FACT!!! In fact, in some areas, 90% of amphibians are disappearing...BUT I guess you know better, right? ugh. Ignorance makes me itch!
hatrack
(59,574 posts)Don't you DARE look at multiple events of reproductive failure, population crash and species disappearance from oceans around the world!!!!
FREEDUMB!!!
sabbat hunter
(6,827 posts)that this is not really true.
Yes fish died in Marina del Ray, but it was when they all crowded in to the harbor fleeing predators, used up the oxygen, then died.
there are NOT mass fish deaths in unprecedented numbers all over the world.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Like these freshwater fish in Fukuoka (hundreds of miles from Fukushima) that died due to high concentrations of farm chemicals in river water.
http://www.city.fukuoka.lg.jp/data/open/cnt/3/25201/1/09sakana.pdf
Here's a source of news about massive fish deaths in many parts of the world that occurred last year. Although it's in Japanese, it does contain some pictures, and a few news articles in English as well.
http://oka-jp.seesaa.net/article/371888541.html
progressoid
(49,944 posts)J-Lo and what's-his-name broke up!!
And you libruls are worried about some fishes! Thankfully, the news has been covering the real crisis.