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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:51 PM Jun 2014

Informative Amy Goodman interview with a Bergdahl compatriot--

BROCK MCINTOSH: Right, so I think the story that is being told in the media makes it seem as though there was a unit that received — that was briefed about some rescue mission and they went out on this rescue mission to locate and extract Sergeant Bergdahl and six people died in the process. That is really not the case. Bergdahl went missing on June 30. Those six soldiers that died died two months later in four separate missions. And it is not clear to what extent those missions had anything to do with searching for Bergdahl. They certainly were not rescue missions. I mean one of them — one of those deaths involved an American soldier being killed supporting an Afghan national security force mission. That is not a rescue mission. We don’t know why exactly the six soldiers died. There’s all sorts of things that could explain it. Let’s not forget that summer season is fighting season in Afghanistan. It could have been that they died in late August and early September because it was late in the summer, and it was right before the winter, and attacks always ramp up at that time of year. It could also be explained by the fact that in 2009, the Obama administration initiated this protracted insurgency campaign and a surge in Afghanistan. So, there are all sorts of things that could explain why the soldiers died. And I think it is unfair to assert that Bergdahl went missing and therefore these soldiers died. And another thing also, in Bergdahl’s unit, they had gone a few months without any fatalities. The first fatality was five days before Bergdahl went missing. So, it could have just been that he happened to have gone missing at a time when there were increased attacks and people were being killed. What’s unfortunate is that he is being used, again, as a political chess piece in a political game and conservatives are using the allegations of soldiers in his unit to imply that this man wasn’t a hero and therefore, President Obama is not a hero for bringing this soldier home.

AMY GOODMAN: Looking at Buzzfeed describing who Juan was just talking about, this former Bush administration official, hired then resigned, Mitt Romney foreign policy spokesperson, played a key role in publicizing critics of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. The involvement of Richard Grenell who once served as a key aide to Bush, to — rather to the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. ,John Bolton, later worked on Romney’s campaign. I wanted to go back, though, to 2009, to the soldiers who Bowe Bergdahl worked with in that tiny outpost that they built in Afghanistan. We had Sean Smith on a few days ago, a Guardian videographer and photographer who produced a film back in 2009 as well as one when he went to Idaho and met Bowe’s father, Bob Bergdahl, which we also played and I encourage people to go to democracynow.org to see all of that. Sean Smith spent a month embedded with Bowe Bergdahl’s unit in Afghanistan. In this clip, we hear from some of the soldiers stationed with Bowe.

SOLDIER ONE: These people just want to be left alone.
SOLDIER TWO: Yeah, they got dicked with from the Russians for 17 years and then now we’re here.
SOLDIER ONE: Same thing in Iraq when I was there. These people just want to be left alone. Have their crops, weddings, stuff like that, that’s it man.
SOLDIER TWO: I’m glad they leave them alone.
SEAN SMITH: A few weeks later, Bowe Bergdahl, pictured in this photo, disappeared. The circumstances are unclear.



BROCK MCINTOSH: It is really hard — it was really hard to hear that clip, Amy, because it reminded me so much of the conversations that I had while I was in Afghanistan. There was so much talk about — within my unit about these Afghan people and how they just want to be left alone. And we were all aware of the role the U.S. played during the Cold War. Using the Afghan people as a proxy to get back at the Soviet Union, using the lives of Afghans as political chess pieces and gamesmanship? And so to then be in Afghanistan to help people, to help the Afghan people felt very disingenuous. We never had any clear sense exactly why we were there, what it was that we were supposed to be doing, why these people are shooting at us, who was shooting at us. Who are we shooting at? Why are we shooting at them? And it really eats away at you and it becomes a situation where all you want to do is you just want to come home and want your buddies on your left and your right to come home. And it’s — what are you supposed to do in a situation where you find yourself — you find yourself in a conflict that you don’t agree with, where people are dying on both sides? What are you supposed to do? What recourse do you have? I did not know that the conscientious objector process existed. That’s one recourse you can take. But I didn’t know that that existed. There’s an overwhelming lack of awareness that there’s a formal process where you, when you have a conscientious shift, you can actually leave the military.


http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2014/6/5/veteran_politicians_using_freed_pow_bowe
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Informative Amy Goodman interview with a Bergdahl compatriot-- (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 OP
This really needs to go viral...n/t monmouth3 Jun 2014 #1
I agree. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #3
K&R SalviaBlue Jun 2014 #2
A big KICK! countryjake Jun 2014 #4
Richard Grennell a little ratfucking lying chicken hawk..... Historic NY Jun 2014 #5
They're essentially blaming Bergdahl for all DirkGently Jun 2014 #6
Clever, these RW psychopaths. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #18
Be interesting for someone to ask their actual proposal. DirkGently Jun 2014 #21
The real scandal..... Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #7
It says that Brock was in a different unit mwrguy Jun 2014 #8
Highly recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #9
Using the Afghan people as a proxy to get back at the Soviet Union, using the lives of Afghans as po riverbendviewgal Jun 2014 #10
K & R n/t xocet Jun 2014 #11
How do we force this to go viral? How do we force FOX News to eat their nasty words? kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #12
Start spreading it on Facebook & Twitter, for starters. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #13
kickety countryjake Jun 2014 #14
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #15
A good article davidpdx Jun 2014 #16
Long LIVE Amy Goodman! burrowowl Jun 2014 #17
k and r niyad Jun 2014 #19
Recommend.... KoKo Jun 2014 #20

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
5. Richard Grennell a little ratfucking lying chicken hawk.....
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jun 2014

he is doing to Bergdahl why his beloved conservatives did to him.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
6. They're essentially blaming Bergdahl for all
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jun 2014

... the U.S. fatalities in Afghanistan after his disappearance. The first two were in an outpost that was attacked.

Republican / conservative politics keeps reaching for new lows in cynical, disingenuous attack. The idea we should leave a soldier to die based on their sudden assessment of his worthiness beggars belief, or it would, if it wasn't part of an old pattern.

At this point, their entire worldview is about who needs to suffer more, be held in contempt more. Die more.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
18. Clever, these RW psychopaths.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jun 2014

Really--

An old Probation & Parole officer once told me he was not just amazed at what the psychopaths he worked with DID, but by what they THOUGHT OF to do.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
21. Be interesting for someone to ask their actual proposal.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 07:28 PM
Jun 2014

Apparently, before making a deal to return an American POW, we need a Fox-hosted national debate as to the possible "Taliban-ness" of the soldier's father's *beard* ??

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. The real scandal.....
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jun 2014

AMY GOODMAN: Looking at Buzzfeed describing who Juan was just talking about, this former Bush administration official, hired then resigned, Mitt Romney foreign policy spokesperson, played a key role in publicizing critics of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. The involvement of Richard Grenell who once served as a key aide to Bush, to — rather to the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. ,John Bolton, later worked on Romney’s campaign. I wanted to go back, though, to 2009, to the soldiers who Bowe Bergdahl worked with in that tiny outpost that they built in Afghanistan. We had Sean Smith on a few days ago, a Guardian videographer and photographer who produced a film back in 2009 as well as one when he went to Idaho and met Bowe’s father, Bob Bergdahl, which we also played and I encourage people to go to democracynow.org to see all of that. Sean Smith spent a month embedded with Bowe Bergdahl’s unit in Afghanistan. In this clip, we hear from some of the soldiers stationed with Bowe.
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You would think the media would be interested in the developing scandal of how the GOP set up Bergdahl with a now obvious prescripted propaganda blitz the moment he was released.

This has the fingerprints of a real scandal all over it.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
10. Using the Afghan people as a proxy to get back at the Soviet Union, using the lives of Afghans as po
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jun 2014

This sentence explains the Ukraine.

and Chile coup 1973.....

Wars are started on purpose for political and economic reasons for profits and power. The USA has been doing this for decades.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
12. How do we force this to go viral? How do we force FOX News to eat their nasty words?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jun 2014

DAmn it!!! I am so sick and tired of ignorant people taking their cues from FOX News and Rush. Actually, this transcript needs to be sent to Diane Feinstein and the rest of GOP Dem suck-ups in Congress. I don't know how to get it to Reid but I bet he would read the entire thing on the floor.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
13. Start spreading it on Facebook & Twitter, for starters.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jun 2014

Send it out to your email contacts.

Write letters to your local paper.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
16. A good article
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jun 2014

I think the issue isn't going to be about the deaths of the six soldiers, clearly he had nothing to do with that. It will be how he ended up in the hands of the Taliban. Until we learn what happen there is no sense in jumping to conclusions.

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