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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTaliban relatives and fighters celebrate release of POW's, like civilized people do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646222/Taliban-leaders-given-heros-welcome-footage-claiming-prisoners-arriving-Qatar-Guantanamo-release-no-American-presence-sight.html--------------------
The Taliban commander told NBC News the exchange was the first time its 'enemy' had 'officially recognized our status.'
He said: 'Once we confirmed the arrival of our five heroes back in Qatar, celebrations started everywhere in Afghanistan and the neighboring Pakistan.
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The mostly mid- to high-level Taliban officials were detained early in the war in Afghanistan (2001-2003) because of their positions within the Taliban, not because of ties to al Qaeda, CNN reported.
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In response, the White House said that officials considered what they called 'unique and exigent circumstances' and decided to go ahead with the transfer in spite of the legal requirement.
And Hagel, who was traveling to Afghanistan to meet with U.S. troops, said the action was not relayed to Congress because of its urgency. He said intelligence indicated that Bergdahl's 'health was deteriorating.'
At Bagram Air Field, Hagel thanked the special operations forces that participated in the rescue.
(Celebration of real soldiers at Bagram)
Gen. Joseph Dunford said there was a sense of excitement in the headquarters as the news spread.
'You almost got choked up,' he said. 'It was pretty extraordinary. It has been almost five years and he is home.'
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P.S. What happens after Qatar transfers the Taliban to Afghanistan? I assume the Afghan government is not going to be all that kind to them.
randys1
(16,286 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)CAO
(20 posts)You can argue that it was a legitimate price to pay for Bergdahl but very few will/should argue that it is a good thing that these assholes are out and about...
This is not a good thing...
"Yay... Murdering Uncle Joey is back with us after his most recent stint in the big house!"
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)CAO
(20 posts)Do you consider it unfair to consider the fact that these are not nice people and the world at large would likely be better off if they couldn't plan and enact methods of killing people?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)that they've been released to Qatar where they remain under supervision and detention.
That even at the end of the year when they can leave Qatar, they aren't free to go as free men back to Afghanistan...if they choose to return, they will likely be arrested by Afghan customs or law enforcement upon entry into Afghanistan. For what they're accused of, it's nearly-certain that at-least two of them would be facing the war-crimes tribunal of the Afghani regime and be executed upon conviction? (You don't really think Karzai is going to pardon genocidal enemies of the regime, do you?)
To put it another way, they were released from Gitmo to a likely life of exile from their homeland and detachment from their former political movement. Not really that terrifying.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Afghanistan will likely try and execute two of them as you say. They are no longer POW's. But they face justice just like Bergdahl may.
CAO
(20 posts)... To try and then punish what we would think of as negative influencers...
My first thought was to find an video of someone laughing themselves to death.
Then I realized that it is just a pure form of naivety....
These guys will be fine...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)According to the link:
"The mostly mid- to high-level Taliban officials were detained early in the war in Afghanistan (2001-2003) because of their positions within the Taliban, not because of ties to al Qaeda"
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)with the new invading American army, same as some did switch when it was an old invading Russian army.
All of them were ministers or aides or some position in the Taliban government that ruled in 2001, full details in the article.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Looks like at least one of them could still be in trouble, too. I didn't realize they'd released so much info about them.
CAO
(20 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025048897
The trade for Bergdahl should improve the chances of negotiating a peace treaty in Afghanistan.
The five Taliban members traded were a key sticking point in earlier peace negotiations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Fazl
Release negotiations
Most Afghans had been repatriated to Afghanistan by 2009. Throughout the fall of 2011 and the winter of 2012 the United States conducted peace negotiations with the Taliban, and widely leaked was that a key sticking point was the ongoing detention of Fazl and four other senior Taliban, Norullah Noori, Khirullah Khairkhwa, Abdul Haq Wasiq and Mohammed Nabi. Negotiations hinged around sending the five men directly to Doha, Qatar, where they would be allowed to set up an official office for the Taliban.
In March 2012, it was reported that Ibrahim Spinzada, described as "Karzai's top aide" had spoken with the five men, in Guantanamo, earlier that month, and had secured their agreement to be transferred to Qatar. It was reported that Karzai, who had initially opposed the transfer, now backed the plan.
Release
On June 1, 2014 Fazl, and the other five Taliban prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, were released in Qatar in exchange for U.S. soldier Bowe Bergdahl who had been captured by the Taliban nearly five years previously. Fazl and other members of the Taliban five, as part of the conditions of their release, were prohibited from leaving Qatar for one year.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)going to regret this is the issue they went fully crazy with.
McCain lied that they are AQ/Taliban, even used "slash", because he is being so clearly exposed as a hypocrite he has now resorted to simple lying.
former9thward
(31,987 posts)What exactly is civilized about them? When they stone women for adultery?
Qatar is not going to transfer anyone anywhere. They have said the Five are free to travel. They will travel back to Afghanistan at a time of their choosing and join the fight. In the meantime they will help direct Taliban operations from Qatar. Your comment about the Afghan government is really funny. The Afghan government controls parts of Kabul and that is it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)with the release of a POW. Ironic is what it is.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Fred Sanders.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Let them rot in the shithole they created.
CAO
(20 posts)... advanced explosives or participate at the international levels of diplomacy with the USA.
Anyone who thinks they are stupid will be proven wrong... quickly...
You can't be stupid and survive in that social and physical shithole...
They are ethically backwards by our standards but have layers of complexity and subtlety in their culture that we never even scratched the surface of....
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Oversimplification and generalization to hatefully paint a broad brush across an entire ethnicity. claiming them to be sub-human, what would one call that.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)I know the head of the Mujhadeen fighters was not Taliban. Al Qaeda assassinated him on behalf of the Taliban on 9/8/11.
What about the rest of the Afghans who met with Reagan? Did any of them actually go on to become Taliban? Or do people just keep making that assumption?
It is a pretty reasonable assumption. Given that the Taliban became the strongest splinter group after the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan came to an end, I would expect some of the Mujhadeen leadership to have joined the Taliban. But the only one I actually know about did not.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Any group that perpetrates the level of violence directed at girls and women such as the Taliban do, cannot be called civilized in anyone's standards.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)celebrate release of THEIR POW's, but America does not, that is the irony.