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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:15 PM Jun 2014

Do You Believe That President Obama's Administration Is Spying On You In Particular?


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Do You Believe That President Obama's Administration Is Spying On You In Particular? (Original Post) onehandle Jun 2014 OP
I had to Google Toby Zeigler. No cable. Shrike47 Jun 2014 #1
Arfmulp frazzled Jun 2014 #2
Whether the NSA is spying on me in particular is waaaay beside the real point. djean111 Jun 2014 #3
No, but.... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #4
Agreed n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #6
double-plus frylock Jun 2014 #7
There you go! That right there is the issue here. Well and concisely said. Squinch Jun 2014 #8
Yes. I agree with this. City Lights Jun 2014 #12
Not since I put tinfoil on all of the walls and windows sarisataka Jun 2014 #5
Dunno, maybe whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #9
My neighbor has an invisible UFO over his trailer. panader0 Jun 2014 #10
Collecting my data in violation of the Fourth Amendment *is* spying on me, woo me with science Jun 2014 #11
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Whether the NSA is spying on me in particular is waaaay beside the real point.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jun 2014

I believe that the NSA is scooping up an incredibly huge amount of information on everyone, just in case someone needs it down the road. Whining that the NSA would never ever read it without a (rubber-stamped) warrant is a bit naive at best.

Obama will be gone in a couple of years. The NSA will just, IMO, get more invasive. Attempts to conflate the NSA with Obama personally seem a bit misguided.

Oh, and hamster.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. No, but....
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jun 2014

...if I was organizing an Occupy or Keystone XL protest you bet they would. The NSA spying has had meager results catching terrorists, especially considering the $ involved. Thus, imo, the terrorist angle is merely a pretext for spying on those citizens who stand up to corporate-controlled govt. Spying on citizens engaging in their constitutional rights is a far greater threat to our freedom than a bunch of religious nuts living half a world away.

sarisataka

(18,216 posts)
5. Not since I put tinfoil on all of the walls and windows
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jun 2014

and made this keen hat


Now back to Catcher in the Rye

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
9. Dunno, maybe
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jun 2014

If the NSA is collecting data and monitoring the communications of a large number of US citizens, they may be spying on me. I would like to know.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
10. My neighbor has an invisible UFO over his trailer.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jun 2014

Sometimes Apache spirits come to his campfires.
He battles evil nightly, when others are dazed by sleep, so that we can keep our illusions.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
11. Collecting my data in violation of the Fourth Amendment *is* spying on me,
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jun 2014


whether anyone looks directly at it or not. And given the outrageously loose criteria we have heard our government cite as grounds (read:"excuse&quot for considering someone a suspected terrorist, none of us, no one, should be sanguine about this.

Oklahoma protesters face terrorism charges for dropping glitter at energy company’s office
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112761933

Nato protesters arrested in Chicago raid held on terrorism conspiracy charges
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002704864

Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765

Doctors asked to identify potential terrorists under government plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1261120&mesg_id=1261120

Homeland Security Kept Tabs on Occupy Wall Street
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002466099

Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966

Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862

"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/


The crime is not only that FISA rubber-stamps requests. The original crime is mass collection and storage of the data without the warrant issued "upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized," guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment in the first place.

This is the infrastructure of a totalitarian state, and there is no excuse for it in the United States of America.
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