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Shrike47
(6,913 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)and caulidoggers.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I believe that the NSA is scooping up an incredibly huge amount of information on everyone, just in case someone needs it down the road. Whining that the NSA would never ever read it without a (rubber-stamped) warrant is a bit naive at best.
Obama will be gone in a couple of years. The NSA will just, IMO, get more invasive. Attempts to conflate the NSA with Obama personally seem a bit misguided.
Oh, and hamster.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...if I was organizing an Occupy or Keystone XL protest you bet they would. The NSA spying has had meager results catching terrorists, especially considering the $ involved. Thus, imo, the terrorist angle is merely a pretext for spying on those citizens who stand up to corporate-controlled govt. Spying on citizens engaging in their constitutional rights is a far greater threat to our freedom than a bunch of religious nuts living half a world away.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Squinch
(50,773 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)sarisataka
(18,216 posts)and made this keen hat
Now back to Catcher in the Rye
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)If the NSA is collecting data and monitoring the communications of a large number of US citizens, they may be spying on me. I would like to know.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Sometimes Apache spirits come to his campfires.
He battles evil nightly, when others are dazed by sleep, so that we can keep our illusions.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)whether anyone looks directly at it or not. And given the outrageously loose criteria we have heard our government cite as grounds (read:"excuse" for considering someone a suspected terrorist, none of us, no one, should be sanguine about this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112761933
Nato protesters arrested in Chicago raid held on terrorism conspiracy charges
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002704864
Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765
Doctors asked to identify potential terrorists under government plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1261120&mesg_id=1261120
Homeland Security Kept Tabs on Occupy Wall Street
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002466099
Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966
Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862
"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/
The crime is not only that FISA rubber-stamps requests. The original crime is mass collection and storage of the data without the warrant issued "upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized," guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment in the first place.
This is the infrastructure of a totalitarian state, and there is no excuse for it in the United States of America.