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PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:55 PM Jun 2014

The top judge in Alabama believes that the law and the courts cannot function without God.

The top judge in Alabama believes that the law and the courts cannot function without God.

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore made that claim at the Pierce County Prayer Breakfast in Tacoma, Washington in May while discussing the addition of “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance.

The chief justice said Americans had forgotten that there was no comma between “one nation” and “under God” in the Pledge.

“When we say the Pledge, we say ‘I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation’ and we pause,” he remarked. “They didn’t mean for us to pause, ladies and gentlemen, and that pause has cost us a lot.”

“It has cost a lot because we have forgotten that God is intimately connected with this nation,” Moore continued. “Without God there would be no nation. Without God there would be no freedom to believe what you want. That goes all the way back to people like Thomas Jefferson in his bill for religious freedom. He knew what it meant. He knew the limits of civil government, and he knew who gave us that freedom to believe what we want about God, but it comes from God.”

Reading a 1954 legislative report from the House of Representatives, the chief justice noted that “under God” had been added to the Pledge to contrast values of the United States with the values of the Soviet Union, whose communist doctrine was explicitly anti-religious.

The legislative report stated that “under God” didn’t violate the First Amendment’s prohibition of a government establishment of religion because there was a difference between “the existences of a religion as an institution and a belief in the sovereignty of God.”

Moore implored the audience to remember that “God is not religion.”

“God is sovereign over our government and over our law,” he said. “And when we are lead to believe anything else, when we exclude him from our lives, exclude him from our law, exclude him from our courts, then they will fail.”

Moore was removed from office in 2003 for defying a federal judge’s order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Supreme Court building. Moore was re-elected as the state’s chief justice in 2012.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/06/alabama-chief-justice-roy-moore-warns-that-courts-cannot-function-without-god/


Jeebus!!!!!!!!!!!

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The top judge in Alabama believes that the law and the courts cannot function without God. (Original Post) PumpkinAle Jun 2014 OP
Maybe he would prefer colonial days shenmue Jun 2014 #1
The good judge is the same one who stated that the First Amendment only applies to Christians. Arkansas Granny Jun 2014 #2
Roy Moore is a nut case Gothmog Jun 2014 #3
Another moron invoking Jefferson to defend his SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #4
ummm pledging allegiance to a flag is Idolatry lololol nt msongs Jun 2014 #5
He has a point...a teeny one... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #6
I believe "under god" is still there. Ino Jun 2014 #7
They even have God on our money too. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #10
Usually, in school, in my case, that pause Jamastiene Jun 2014 #8
My belief is reinforced ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #9
So basically the top judge in Alabama is delusional. MadrasT Jun 2014 #11
On a brighter note, anal sex is legal in Alabama Kaleva Jun 2014 #12
"Without God there would be no freedom to believe what you want." Mariana Jun 2014 #13
oh, THAT idiot again eShirl Jun 2014 #14

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
1. Maybe he would prefer colonial days
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:56 PM
Jun 2014

When each colony had the right to establish a religion - and persecute you if you weren't in it.

Oh, and maybe they should go back to burning people at the stake. Idiots.

Arkansas Granny

(31,507 posts)
2. The good judge is the same one who stated that the First Amendment only applies to Christians.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jun 2014
http://wonkette.com/548206/alabama-chief-justice-has-special-constitution-where-first-amendment-is-only-for-christians

You guys all remember Judge Roy Moore, the Alabama Hero who was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court after refusing to comply with a U.S. Supreme Court order to remove a two-ton Ten Commandments monument that he’d installed at the court. That was back in 2003, don’t you feel old? And then he got reelected to the Alabama Supremes in 2012 — as Chief Justice, no less, because Roy Moore is the freakin’ Joe Arpaio of Alabama jurisprudence: the bigger an asshole he is, the more they love him, because he hates all the right people. (Last year, there were high hopes he’d declare Barack Obama UnPresident, but that failed to happen somehow.) Well, Chief Justice Roy Moore has gotten himself a little more attention this week, after a recent* speech to a “Pastors For Life” luncheon sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, where the top jurist for an entire state told the assembled faithful that the First Amendment only applies to Christians, since, as any fool knows, “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it’s the God of the Holy Scriptures” who breathed life into Adam and Eve, about 6000 years ago at that. (And no, don’t you go saying that all the Abrahamic religions worship the same God, because what are you, a terrorist?)
Read more at http://wonkette.com/548206/alabama-chief-justice-has-special-constitution-where-first-amendment-is-only-for-christians#2HElfTl7IgDDQyiA.99

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
6. He has a point...a teeny one...
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 07:36 PM
Jun 2014

The "under God" phrase WAS added to the Pledge around Cold War era.
So we have a National pledge, which started out with no "under God" phrase, then when time came for a Cold War against
"Godless Communism" the phrase was introduced, and later it was removed.
I remember saying the pledge with the "under God" in elementary school.
Can't remember when it was removed, tho..I think that was after I had moved on to Jr. High and we did not say the pledg at that level.

all of which goes to under score that "God" is used by Governments as a convenience.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
7. I believe "under god" is still there.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jun 2014

Though many objections have been made to it.

Unfortunately, they will NEVER remove it, IMO.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
10. They even have God on our money too.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jun 2014

They decided not long ago they weren't removing that either. We are stuck with this theocracy nonsense and it is only going to get worse, if people don't figure out how to make them stop imposing their belief systems on the rest of us. I don't care what they believe. That's their beliefs, but imposing their beliefs on the rest of us infringes on our rights. No one seems to care about the rights of non-Christians.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
8. Usually, in school, in my case, that pause
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jun 2014

was because I thought it was absurd to have to say the Pledge of Allegiance every single damn day when I didn't even believe in God any more and didn't feel particularly nationalistic and probably never will. That awful Christian school pretty much taught me that no amount of prayer would stop my daily beatings over nothing and being denied the basic same rights as males in school and in everyday life here. So, the entire idea of it all was stupid to me. Still is.

How that fucker thinks is exactly how many in the Bible Belt think. That asshole and those assholes who were in charge of that school I went to growing up are deranged sickos. That kind of quote from him is just the surface, folks. It gets way worse in back rooms, schools, private homes, and some churches down here. Fuck them and the cruel and disgusting things that they do and get by with it. That is the worst part. They get by with it, because everyone else assumes everyone in the south agrees with them. We don't. Some of us are long since fed up with their nonsense, but I'll be goddamned if I'll be run out of my own home by them. I'll stay and vote against them here in NC just like a lot of southern Democrats will continue to do to try to eventually change things for the better, if we can GOTV enough.

Kaleva

(36,259 posts)
12. On a brighter note, anal sex is legal in Alabama
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jun 2014

As long as the two participating in such activity are married to each other. Otherwise, the participants can be arrested for engaging in degenerative sex.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
13. "Without God there would be no freedom to believe what you want."
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jun 2014

Has this jackass ever actually read his Bible? Whole books in the Old Testament are stories about denying people the right to believe what they want, on his God's orders. Several of his precious Ten Commandments specifically prohibit freedom of religion.

eShirl

(18,480 posts)
14. oh, THAT idiot again
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jun 2014

if he loves sharia law so much he should move to wherever it is they currently have it

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