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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBennet and Tester Introduced a Bill Preventing Lawmakers From Becoming Lobbyists for Life.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/208104-bill-would-bar-lawmakers-from-becoming-lobbyists-for-life
Sens. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.) on Tuesday introduced legislation to prevent members of Congress from becoming lobbyists after they retire.
Current law allows senators to become lobbyists two years after leaving office, while House members only have to wait for a year. But Bennet and Tester's bill would institute a lifetime ban on lobbying for lawmakers.
"Washington lobbyists shouldnt be allowed to hold more sway than the folks back home in Colorado and around the country. Unfortunately, that isnt always the way things happen around this place," Bennet said.
(snip)
"Slamming shut the revolving door between lawmakers and lobbyists will let folks know that Congress puts constituents first and will make government more accountable to the American people," Tester said.
Of course this is a long shot of ever becoming law, greed is a powerful force, but it should be promoted.
Kudos to Senators Bennet and Tester.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)to replace Ken Salazar (who'd been chosen to head Dept. of Interior), I was one of those who said, "WHO????"
Since then, I've been very impressed with Michael Bennet. He's very good at going out and meeting with constituents, listens well and actually responds to questions and comments. He also gives great hugs.
joshcryer
(62,266 posts)But Bennet and Udall especially on NSA secrecy, they've been top notch. I disagree with them from time to time but they are great guys. Kudos to them both. Colorado has some great Senators.
(He has a nice handshake too!)
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It will be interesting to see where Obama falls on this.
joshcryer
(62,266 posts)So it goes to show just how well you can pressure Democrats when it comes to it. It helps that Colorado is an increasingly progressive state, though!
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_Lincoln
In 2007, Lincoln played a key role in brokering the compromise that led to passage of the Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008. Also known as the farm bill, this legislation provides resources for nutrition, conservation, rural development, and renewable energy. Lincoln led the charge against defeating an amendment to the pending Farm Bill which would have capped government Agricultural subsidy payments at $250,000 per year, per farm. According to Lincoln, it was unfair to some farmers in her state, notably cotton growers. Even though the amendment passed (56-43), Lincoln threatened a filibuster if any amendment did not get a 60-vote majority, so the amendment was withdrawn after passage.
(snip)
In September 2009, Lincoln pledged to filibuster any legislation containing a Public health insurance option, such as the Affordable Health Care for America Act (the Democrat-controlled, House of Representatives' preferred health care reform bill). This move came as a surprise to liberal Democrats, who largely interpreted the move as a betrayal of traditional Democratic values. Lincoln voted in favor of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the Senate bill that eventually became the Barack Obama administration's health care reform law. However, she voted against the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, a package of amendments to the Affordable Care Actpassed via reconciliation process, to circumvent united Republican attempts to block the bill's passagein the Senate.
In the end, Lincoln's re-election strategy of depicting herself to Arkansas voters as 'independent' of the Democrats failed to win her re-election in 2010, losing to Republican nominee John Boozman 58%-37%.
Having said that, I guess Lincoln won when it came to landing big contracts via the revolving door as a lobbyist.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Sgent
(5,857 posts)is unconstitutional, its just no one has challenged it yet (you would have to be a former congressman / senator who wants to work as a lobbyist).
The first amendment gives a clear right to petition the government.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)If we need a Constitutional Amendment, so be it.
The current law is unethical as Congress supposedly being agents for the American People are either bought or induced to act against the general welfare.
When they leave Congress taking all that insider knowledge and connections to be employed as a lobbyist, in many cases by an industry they were overseeing while in Congress, the only logical result is corruption of the system.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)come to mind.
A Realtor and a lawyer act as fiduciaries for their clients and can't divulge privileged information given to them, unless their client gives approval or there is a clear violation of law.
Congress as well is given trust by their clients; the American People to represent their best interests, and by their intimate, insider knowledge of government interactions.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Don Siegelman is serving a prison sentence for appointing a donor to a campaign that Siegelman liked to a state position on a commission.
If Siegelman's conduct is considered bribery, what about the members of Congress who accept pay for work done for a company after voting in that company's favor or for laws that benefit that company even if in some indirect way?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)This is unconstitutional in the exact same way that money is speech and corporations are people.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I'm gonna guess the corporate whores will say freedom of speech.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)I have had such an amazing ass-full of "the market will...insert pap here...." that I could freaking scream myself hoarse already.
There is no free market in America, only a rigged oligarchy and heaping mounds of bullshit.
I have said for years that there several things we could have done already that would have made this country something better than the stinking corpse of a once promising idea.
1) Term limits
2) Public financing of elections
3) Campaign Finance Laws (it used to be simply reform, but since the shylocks in the GOP have gutted all meaningful regulations already, we have to go all the way back to square one here...)
There are many other things - such as removing religion and all of its concurrent nonsense and regressive toxicity from politics again, returning to a nation that invests HEAVILY in basic science research and development (without bullshit NIH and CDC grants requiring pre-formulated results BEFORE a project is funded) and a full investment in transforming our military from a global expedition force and enforcement arm of the 0.01% into a border defense and technology force unlike anything the world has ever seen - but just excising the hypocrisy and malignancy of the current Beltway Bastards would be a good start...
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)deniers.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)become lawmakers, and vice versa, is so glaring you would think it would be a no-brainer.
Good for them for introducing this bill.
navarth
(5,927 posts)what I mean by that is: I no longer believe that legislation like this would ever get passed by this bought-and-paid-for congress.
Sorry to say.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)This will end the bribery. If you serve in Congress, you should not be able to take pay-backs after your term ends. The practice of serving in Congress and then becoming a lobbyist has been abused. The same rule should apply to judges. If you decide a case concerning a company, you should not be able to work for that company after you leave the bench.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)LeafsFan17
(31 posts)Great idea!
calimary
(81,110 posts)Glad you're here! It IS a great idea! We need to stick a crowbar into that revolving door and stop its movement. Most of these assholes are just marking time before they can climb onto the BIG gravy train. Funny - my computer sometimes seems to have a rather mischievous auto-correct. When I started typing the word "gravy" it went straight to "graft"!!!
certainot
(9,090 posts)hours and hours of non-stop propaganda on it.
it really is as simple as that.
calimary
(81,110 posts)joshcryer
(62,266 posts)Proud and privileged to say I voted for both of them even if they are moderates on many issues. Great people.
BootinUp
(47,083 posts)Leme
(1,092 posts)It will make them take cash while still in office where we can catch them at it better.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)The current law allowing the revolving door has no other alternative than to corrupt government with perpetual conflict of interest.
Congress has special powers to write law and unique privileges to ignore some of them, they should be held to a higher standard.
If a former Congressman or Senator wishes to voice his/her opinion, nothing prevents them from doing so, but they shouldn't be paid lobbyists working against the general welfare for the sake of an industry particularly when they were overseeing that same entity while employed by the American People.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)namely freedom of speech and the freedom to petition the government.
You have the right to speak freely, and you also have the right to be paid to do so. If you didn't, then Congress could pass laws banning people from getting paid for writing a book or appearing at a TV show or speaking at a conference or rally.
Lobbyists do not inherently work against "the general welfare" (which is a nebulous term). Do lobbyists for the ACLU or Planned Parenthood work against the general welfare? Do union lobbyists?
Now, if you want to talk about a law preventing sitting members of Congress from taking money from special interest groups and the like, then I'll be all ears. That is fine.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)Actually "general welfare" is pretty clear, it's the nation as a whole, the public.
The vast majority of industries work for one reason and one reason only to make money for themselves.
I would wager those lawmakers leaving Congress to become lobbyists for the ACLU, Planned Parenthood or unions are absolutely minuscule in comparison to those leaving for fossil fuel companies, cable companies, for profit prisons, the military industrial complex etc. etc.
There is no doubt lobbyists working for the for profit industries with the preeminent motivation of making money have the most money.
There are freedom of speech restrictions against other groups of people with far less power and responsibility than Congress, why shouldn't Congress be held to a higher standard of ethics as well?
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)If you assert that Congress can restrict people's free speech based on the fact that they're getting paid for it, then you are saying that Congress could, constitutionally, bar people from getting paid to write a book or make a movie or give a speech.
So what? Just as not having money doesn't mean you have fewer rights, having money doesn't mean you have fewer rights either.
Name some freedom of speech restrictions to this degree that are placed on other groups of people, as you claim. Doctors and lawyers not being allowed to disclose private patient and client information? That involves someone else's private information, not their own. Apples and oranges.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)Money enables more speech, better legal representation, you know and I know money buys political power in one form or another legal and non-legal.
You can add Realtors to your mix as well.
Congress is supposed to represent the American People as fiduciary agents while in power.
Congress knows private information about the workings of government, they know what's confidential, secret and top secret, it's literally part of their job description. By their workings, they know private information about each other which gives them an inherent advantage in persuading, cajoling or blackmailing their former comrades after they leave office to represent a narrow minded industry as paid lobbyists.
All of this is at the expense of the American People as a whole or "general welfare."
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Entire shit load.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)Peace to you.
Tierra_y_Libertad
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Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I believe even the Republican rank and file do not like lobbyists. Of course the establishment of both parties thrive on their relationships with lobbyists. Let's get rid of the quid pro quo.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)locks
(2,012 posts)I have written to my Senator (Bennet)and told him how pleased we are that he has proposed this needed change and how much we are hoping it will get some place.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)I used to root for him too, when he was a quarterback for the Tennessee Vols.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)angrychair
(8,679 posts)quakerboy
(13,916 posts)But i doubt it goes far enough.
Lobbying is pretty sketchy, in its current format. But even if you take that away, the corps can still bribe politicians with a position as a consultant or a board member.
I dont know that I would be opposed to making some of these elected positions accompany a lifetime job. You spend your 6 years in the senate and then get voted out, or maybe you make it a few terms and put in 30 years then retire. Afterward, instead of retiring to a lobbying or consultant position, you then get a lifetime position in some sort of community service or government works field. I'm sure there are any number of school districts that could benefit from a regular guest lecture in their civics class, any number of parks systems that could use a public face with some gravitas to attract volunteers, etc. And I would think that a former congressman might make a better ambassador than some rich guy with connections.
Given that we pay many of them benefits after they leave congress anyway, and given the vast number of workers that the government has on its payroll anyway, I doubt the financial impact of doing this would be very significant. We pay our president, senators, and congressmen about 88 million per year. It would be fair to drop that somewhat after they left office. If they all are bribed with the promise of lucrative private industry gigs after service, I think we could make a convincing argument that the cost us Significantly more each year in the tax cuts and contracts and whatnot they carve out of the 35 Trillion dollar us Budget for their corporate sponsors.
Plus that It be a disincentive for the power hungry and greedy, and incentive for the truely service minded. What A type corporate type is going to want to take a chance on a 2 year term followed by a lifetime of well paid community service? Conversely, people who actually want to serve this nation would be more likely to be drawn to elected office, as at the end of their elected term they then have the opportunity to keep serving in a community service gig where the funding grant isn't going to be in question each year.
bl968
(360 posts)Lets include Federal Commissioners in this while we are at it.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_Lincoln
n 2007, Lincoln played a key role in brokering the compromise that led to passage of the Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008. Also known as the farm bill, this legislation provides resources for nutrition, conservation, rural development, and renewable energy. Lincoln led the charge against defeating an amendment to the pending Farm Bill which would have capped government Agricultural subsidy payments at $250,000 per year, per farm. According to Lincoln, it was unfair to some farmers in her state, notably cotton growers. Even though the amendment passed (56-43), Lincoln threatened a filibuster if any amendment did not get a 60-vote majority, so the amendment was withdrawn after passage.
(snip)
In September 2009, Lincoln pledged to filibuster any legislation containing a Public health insurance option, such as the Affordable Health Care for America Act (the Democrat-controlled, House of Representatives' preferred health care reform bill).[11] This move came as a surprise to liberal Democrats, who largely interpreted the move as a betrayal of traditional Democratic values. Lincoln voted in favor of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the Senate bill that eventually became the Barack Obama administration's health care reform law. However, she voted against the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, a package of amendments to the Affordable Care Actpassed via reconciliation process, to circumvent united Republican attempts to block the bill's passagein the Senate.