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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI may have lost a 'friend' tonight over Marriage Equality in Wisconsin
Tonight we achieved equality in Wisconsin. Finally. I sent a text to all my friends letting them know. One of them texted me back and we got into a heated text argument (okay, heated for me). He said that the decision was wrong and that it should be up to the people if gays were allowed to marry because it was a vote and that he believed that people had now been educated enough to vote it down, but they weren't given the chance.
I said fine. When do I get to vote on YOUR rights?
He said, "Will, you know I love you and support your marriage because I see how happy you are. I just think that since the last vote, people have been educated on the subject and we don't need corrupt lawyers and judges changing something the people of Wisconsin would have changed themselves."
My reply: "You trust them, I don't. Too many people are swayed by their religion, which has no place in this. Like the new laws they are passing to make it okay not to serve gay people. Add to that the majority of voters is not actually a majority. And what about the people of Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Utah, etc? They might have to wait another five or more years for their rights? Is that okay? And final statement, this is not a democracy, it's a republic. Ideally laws are there to protect minorities against the tyranny of the majority so the less populous group can't have its rights tramped by a larger group. Love you, too."
Five hours later, no reply.
Ah well, such is life.
Cha
(296,799 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Give your friend time to assimilate information.
Keep in mind, He has you...the very personal face of marriage equality in his life. That will make his transition somewhat easier.
dballance
(5,756 posts)It certainly got Jim Crow laws repealed, ended segregation and the ban on interracial marriage ended. Except it didn't.
LeftishBrit
(41,202 posts)Well, in the one place where it was tried, Switzerland, I suppose it did in the end; but 50 years after most otherwise comparable countries (1971).
The public referendum is appropriate for some things, like deciding major constitutional issues; but not for deciding the rights of minorities.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)A couple of years ago Minnesota had an amendmendment ballot making same-gender marriage illegall. I was afraid it would pass, but it was resoundly defeated, as was the voter ID amendment. I was a little worried about Minnesota turning a little red, but not so, so far.
elleng
(130,724 posts)I'll bet he's feeling sad as you are, and may come back, somehow, sometime.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)equality issues should NOT be "up to the state" - that's how BIGOTS think
Warpy
(111,135 posts)if he thinks his group can vote away any other group's civil rights.
Maybe you made him think and the headache sent him to bed early and he'll return.
Probably not.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)The clear intent of the law was to preclude children attending a religious school or, of course, being home schooled. This was during the 1920's, K K K supported. ( Anti-Catholic). Anyway, voters I acted it and the Supreme Court said no, parents can decide about what school their child attends.
Just because the public passes a law doesn't make it a good thing, or Constitutional.
smallcat88
(426 posts)had been up for a vote back in the sixties, it wouldn't have passed. The majority is not always right. It usually takes time for people to see the light, especially when they're wrong. It's hard for most of us to admit when we're wrong. Hopefully time will heal your friendship. If not, then he's not such a great friend.
Hang in there.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)avoided if we'd just let each state vote for keeping or eliminating slavery.
Actually, I'm right now re-watching the Ken Burns series on the Civil War, and it's making me understand that as bad as things are today, we're still not in the awfulness of the Civil War and the years leading up to it. And probably the years after, also.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Just for the reaction.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)And why haven't they overturned the constitutional amendment already?
Here's to lawyers and judges!
P.S.
Here's an article explaining why your friend's solution would take many years to achieve what he says is his goal.
http://theuptake.org/2013/09/04/why-minnesota-succeeded-while-wisconsin-failed-on-marriage-equality/
Fearless
(18,421 posts)No true friend will let something that doesn't even affect them get between the two of you. Give them time to sulk.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)a true friend would be happy for Will, and tell him just that
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Skittles
(153,111 posts)that "friend" is a bigot who simply just got angry enough where he could not stop himself from letting Will know - OMG, the irony - he OUTED himself
Fearless
(18,421 posts)I just said that they may not lose the friendship over it.
Zipgun
(182 posts)We are not a classical democracy. There is no meaningful distinction between a modern democracy and a modern republic. It is meaningless semantics quibble. There, nit pick over.
It seems like he is starting to open his eyes, thanks in a large part to his being your friend, but still does not see the big picture as to how prejudices can be whipped up and manipulated. Hopefully he will come around.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...that claims to have equality under the law.
- So saying that as an excuse or rationale, is pure BS.
K&R
cntrygrl
(356 posts)to thank you for speaking out. I'm a 'life-long' (64 this month) lesbian and know all too well what it's like.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Secondly, I'm so sorry that your friend feels that way and marginalizes the feelings of you and so many. I hope he either comes around and apologizes or at least keeps his mouth shut.
I'm so happy about this ruling. For you, millions of others who deserve equality, society for making this progress and our state which has been pummeled with teabaggery for the past few years.
Yay!! <3
Put that friend aside for a bit and focus on stuff like this http://www.democraticunderground.com/113738312. Pure joy. And thousands of supporters sharing that joy. Donating cake, photography, roaming musicians and LOV E!
Iggo
(47,534 posts)Feel better soon.
Me, too.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Most of my classmates from back in the village are still ignorant and backward Bible thumpers, but I HAVE moved on. The biggest part of why I left the Midwest was the pervasive ignorance and homophobia.
So I've unfriended many of my old friends. What's most sad to me is that THEY haven't grown up. But that's that. "I don't care what you say anymore; this is MY. LIFE. Go ahead with your own life, leave me alone!", to quote Billy Joel.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)populous group can't have its rights tramped by a larger group..."
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark piece of civil rights legislation in the United States[4] that outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.[5] It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public (known as "public accommodations" .
Powers given to enforce the act were initially weak, but were supplemented during later years. Congress asserted its authority to legislate under several different parts of the United States Constitution, principally its power to regulate interstate commerce under Article One (section 8), its duty to guarantee all citizens equal protection of the laws under the Fourteenth Amendment and its duty to protect voting rights under the Fifteenth Amendment. The Act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on July 2, 1964, at the White House.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
WillParkinson
(16,862 posts)Perhaps one day we'll start speaking again and he can be educated. (Hope springs eternal.)
Skittles
(153,111 posts)keep us updated OK?