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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:05 AM Jun 2014

The Results Are In: America Is Dumb and on the Road to Getting Dumber

http://www.alternet.org/education/results-are-america-dumb-and-road-getting-dumber



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This week, Gallup released a poll showing 42 percent of Americans still believe God created human beings in their present form less than 10,000 years ago. Last week, the Carsey Institute at the University of New Hampshire published a study showing only 28 percent of Tea Party Republicans trust scientists.

It gets worse. More than two-thirds of Americans, according to surveys conducted for the National Science Foundation, are unable to identify DNA as the key to heredity. Nine out of 10 don’t understand radiation and what it can do the human body, while one in five adult Americans believe the sun revolves around the earth.

A 2008 University of Texas study found that 25 percent of public school biology teachers believe that humans and dinosaurs inhabited the earth simultaneously.

“This level of scientific illiteracy provides fertile soil for political appeals based on sheer ignorance,” writes Susan Jacoby in The Age of American Unreason.
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The Results Are In: America Is Dumb and on the Road to Getting Dumber (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2014 OP
There is a deliberate aspect chervilant Jun 2014 #1
Those in power always used religion to keep the masses afraid, superstitious, and ignorant. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #20
Indeed, chervilant Jun 2014 #39
The better to take your money, my dear. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #2
I keep telling you, Idiocracy is actually a documentary. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #3
Indeed, but even I am surprised by how dumb America is...this pisses me off randys1 Jun 2014 #28
it's the dark age barbtries Jun 2014 #4
That is a good description, sadly. (nt) PotatoChip Jun 2014 #10
yikes marmar Jun 2014 #5
i's a tad alarming. xchrom Jun 2014 #6
Proof kokobell616 Jun 2014 #7
I don't think The Learning Channel call themselves that anymore. CrispyQ Jun 2014 #32
The Patron Saint of Stupid: GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #8
We need something like a Dumb Ass Report Android3.14 Jun 2014 #9
My co-worker was proud of her ignorance. no_hypocrisy Jun 2014 #11
If "common sense" was really all that common hobbit709 Jun 2014 #12
I have worked in health care for 40 years. 3catwoman3 Jun 2014 #36
Humans and dinosaurs did (do) inhabit the Earth simultaneously. dawg Jun 2014 #13
Only if you regard birds as 'dinosaurs' blackspade Jun 2014 #17
They are a branch of dinosaurs that did not go extinct. dawg Jun 2014 #22
You missed my point. blackspade Jun 2014 #26
I didn't miss your point at all. dawg Jun 2014 #29
I'm not disputing that birds are descended from the Dinosauria Clade blackspade Jun 2014 #43
Birds ARE avian dinosaurs. longship Jun 2014 #35
Only 28% trust scientists!!? That downright depressing. johnnyrocket Jun 2014 #14
Personally, I think the 28% number is too high. dawg Jun 2014 #24
I'm actually surprised 1/10 understand what radiation does to the human body Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #15
Does "mess you up" count? dawg Jun 2014 #25
That could certainly be why it's so low. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #27
Radiation is difficult to understand, because it messes you up in at least four different ways MillennialDem Jun 2014 #30
Unbelievable. blackspade Jun 2014 #16
Obviously a certain segment is..... whistler162 Jun 2014 #18
Well this explains the idiots. mikeysnot Jun 2014 #19
The dumbing of Americans Thespian2 Jun 2014 #21
Ding ding ding. They always complain about indoctrination MillennialDem Jun 2014 #33
^^^this^^^ Creating a permanent underclass that will NEVER fight them. freshwest Jun 2014 #40
BINGO bongo. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #44
Thread is pure garbage from a logical view Leme Jun 2014 #23
I've never trusted the 1 in 5 believe the sun revolves around the earth question MillennialDem Jun 2014 #31
One of the things that feeds this trend LWolf Jun 2014 #34
In the thread about Ralph Reed's appearance on Bill Maher's show... 3catwoman3 Jun 2014 #37
I believe that, literally, every time I find myself driving somewhere. flvegan Jun 2014 #38
Dinosaurs & humans still inhabit the earth simultaneously. Here is proof... Elwood P Dowd Jun 2014 #41
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you ...the American Idiot: L0oniX Jun 2014 #42

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
1. There is a deliberate aspect
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:14 AM
Jun 2014

to the dumbing down of the Sheeple. Playing on the fears of the Fear-based, who'da thunk it?!?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
20. Those in power always used religion to keep the masses afraid, superstitious, and ignorant.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jun 2014

And religion willingly whores itself out to those in power.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
39. Indeed,
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jun 2014

and being fear-based freezes sufferers in react mode, which perpetuates feelings of powerlessness and resentment.

kokobell616

(35 posts)
7. Proof
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:38 AM
Jun 2014

Gems like the Gallup poll, the National Science Foundation etc. will become the rallying cry against funding schools. Since what we spend is garnering such low scores change is needed. That change will be to privatize schools.

Returning to fact based schools and fact based news is a start. The 'programing' that has led us to this point has nothing to do with schools. Some of the programing I speak of is the 30 or so religion based channels, 20 or so shopping channels, the half dozen 24 hour news channels, reality programing on The Learning Channel and History Channel.

Its this 'programing' that has led to the dumbing of America. TV, Americas babysitter.

CrispyQ

(36,423 posts)
32. I don't think The Learning Channel call themselves that anymore.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:58 AM
Jun 2014

With good reason, since they got rid of all the quality shows they used to produce. They go by TLC now.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
9. We need something like a Dumb Ass Report
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:43 AM
Jun 2014

As politicians reveal their knowledge of science in public statements, we should have a website that tracks this information. isyourleaderadumbass.com is available and would make a nice companion to factchecker.com.

no_hypocrisy

(46,025 posts)
11. My co-worker was proud of her ignorance.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:34 AM
Jun 2014

Except she didn't see it as ignorance.

She thought her "common sense" trumped "book smart" every time.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
12. If "common sense" was really all that common
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:36 AM
Jun 2014

it wouldn't be remarked upon when someone actually displays some.

3catwoman3

(23,948 posts)
36. I have worked in health care for 40 years.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jun 2014

For at least half of that time (probably longer), I have called it "uncommon sense," because not too many people seem to have any.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
13. Humans and dinosaurs did (do) inhabit the Earth simultaneously.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:41 AM
Jun 2014

So it's 75% of public school biology teachers that were wrong, not 25%.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
22. They are a branch of dinosaurs that did not go extinct.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jun 2014

Avian dinosaurs do co-exist with humans. Non-avian dinosaurs co-existed with mammals, but did not co-exist with humans.

That particular question, like most questions in life, did not have a simple, binary answer.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
26. You missed my point.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:27 AM
Jun 2014

Birds have about as much in common with avian dinosaurs as dinosaur era 'primates' do with humans.

So no, 75% are not wrong. Avian dinosaurs co-existed with primate primates: yes. Humans and birds co-exist: yes. Humans and dinosaurs co-exist: no.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
29. I didn't miss your point at all.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jun 2014

Birds don't "have about as much in common with avian dinosaurs as dinosaur era primates do with humans".

Birds *are* avian dinosaurs.


Here's some information on the subject:

"Birds are thus considered to be dinosaurs and dinosaurs are, therefore, not extinct. Birds are classified as belonging to the subgroup Maniraptora, which are coelurosaurs, which are theropods, which are saurischians, which are dinosaurs.[15]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all. But that particular question is a bad question, and some of those who "missed" it may actually know more than those who got it "right".

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
43. I'm not disputing that birds are descended from the Dinosauria Clade
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:48 PM - Edit history (1)

But calling birds dinosaurs is like calling humans Eutherians.

On second thought, let's do. That means that dinosaurs and humans have lived together for the last 160 million years!

longship

(40,416 posts)
35. Birds ARE avian dinosaurs.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jun 2014

By definition.

All the science -- and I do mean ALL the science -- shows that some therapod dinos evolved into modern birds. This puts birds into the dinosaur clade, so they are properly termed avian dinosaurs. QED

Sorry.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
24. Personally, I think the 28% number is too high.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:19 AM
Jun 2014

I seriously doubt that 28% of tea party supporters really believe in both anthropomorphic global warming and evolution.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
15. I'm actually surprised 1/10 understand what radiation does to the human body
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:56 AM
Jun 2014

With something like 16-18 years of college under my belt as well as k-12, I think I only remember it being talked about in maybe 2-3 classes. Microbiology and pathophysiology, maybe. It might have been very briefly mentioned in high school a few decades back as well.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
25. Does "mess you up" count?
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jun 2014

Because I'm not sure I could adequately describe the specific mechanisms through which radiation harms the human body.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. That could certainly be why it's so low.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:27 AM
Jun 2014

Maybe more people do know it 'messes you up', without understanding how it specifically damages tissue or screws up DNA, and for the purposes of the survey, you had to know a little more than 'messes you up'.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
30. Radiation is difficult to understand, because it messes you up in at least four different ways
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jun 2014

And this a laywoman's understanding...

A. Low doses which we all get increase the risk of cancer and cardiovascular diseases through DNA mutations. However since cardiovascular diseases and cancer are the "big two" natural killers of humans and there is no way to know for certain if radiation caused them in a specific individual...

B. Extremely high whole body doses cause acute radiation sickness. This can mess up the central nervous system and cause a quick death OR if the dose is relatively low mostly just kills cells in the GI tract. This causes vomiting and diarrhea as well as radiation burns all of which leads to problems with dehydration and opportunistic infection.

C. Extremely high doses that are not whole body but rather one specific area can cause loss of hair, severe burns, loss of the body part affected, etc. This is how radiation therapy to treat cancer works. Blast the cancer cells with radiation and they die too. Obviously this only works on a local area. There have been accidents where the beam has been turned up too high though which can cause B.

D. Moderate-high doses (not acutely fatal) sustained over a long period of time. Ie handling very small quantities of radioactive material with no shielding or handling higher amounts with inadequate shielding. This causes blood cell and bone marrow problems. It is rare today because we know a lot more about radiation, but it happened to Marie Curie and some of the other radiation pioneers.

Surviving B, C, or D can cause A. In fact, if you survive B, C, or D you will likely get A.

People who work in areas with radiation are slightly more likely than the general population to get A. That's why when you get an Xray the lab tech walks out of the room. The dose you receive is so small it's an insignificant (probably 0) extra chance of causing A. But the lab tech who does it for 40 years is receiving the equivalent of many Xrays, even outside of the room.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
16. Unbelievable.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:02 AM
Jun 2014

25% of teachers believe that humans and dinos lived together?
Fuck, the stupid, it hurts.

mikeysnot

(4,756 posts)
19. Well this explains the idiots.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:11 AM
Jun 2014

Sarah Pallin, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, paul Ryan, John Boehner, Dinesh D'SouzaLouis Goemert, Lindsay Graham, Rand Paul, Scott Walker et al.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
21. The dumbing of Americans
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jun 2014

is an integral part of the right-wing program to turn America into a theocracy. For this program to work, young Americans are indoctrinated into the morass that is the mind of right-wing oligarchs and politicians. Think Blackstone and others preparing to take over the judicial system. Charter schools, religious schools, voucher programs for schools...all are paving the way for Americans to become even dumber. We expect the idiot fringe, i.e., tea party wackos, to believe whatever they are taught by the drivers of these programs. Even during my teaching years, we could easily see the destructive power of politicians controlling education...to the detriment of education. The process was painful to watch, and, yes, it began with Saint Ronald the Idiot. His reign of terror allowed those planning the destruction of American education to continue their process and accelerate their activities. My years in University in Texas gave me loads of insight into the mental processes of people who were stupid and proud of it.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
33. Ding ding ding. They always complain about indoctrination
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jun 2014

by gays, by schools, by liberals, by feminists, by science, by atheists/agnostics, etc...

but it's just fear of kids being anti indoctrinated.

Thankfully despite the right wings attempt at this my generation is less religious than any previous one.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
23. Thread is pure garbage from a logical view
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:18 AM
Jun 2014

To go from dumb to dumber one needs two points.
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A before and an after.
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Only one point is given...the "after".

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
31. I've never trusted the 1 in 5 believe the sun revolves around the earth question
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jun 2014

It's a sentence that if you swap the positions of the two of the nouns the statement becomes true. And if you're tired or not paying attention your brain might fill in and auto correct the sentence for you.

Not that I don't believe there aren't people who are wrong on it (mostly dittoheads) but I just find 20% too large to believe on that one, especially based on how the sentence/question would likely be worded.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
34. One of the things that feeds this trend
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

is the inexorable degrading of the teaching profession, convincing the public that we are incompetent and not to be trusted, and setting us up at school to fear for our license and our career when a loud parent complains. Guess where most of the complaints come from? Guess who elected school board members, especially those elected by the christian right, listen to?

There are so many topics in classrooms that are avoided to prevent knee-jerk angry parental responses. We don't avoid them all, of course, but even when we address them, it can sometimes be in a furtive, guilty manner.

Here's an example: A few years back, I had a parent storm the office and the school board demanding my removal. Of course, I do have some protections which kicked in, so there were procedures to be followed to check out the complaint. And I had that parent sitting in my classroom observing and taking notes for a week, hoping to "catch" me in something inappropriate.

What terrible thing did I do? I read an ELA state standard about recognizing bias to the students, and told them it could be found in print, on tv, and on the radio. I said that as we were examining texts for bias, they could apply what they were learning to what they watched and heard on electronic sources. I gave no examples. I mentioned no tv or radio stations or personalities. But one student stood up in my classroom and yelled at me: "You're calling Glenn Beck a liar! And he's not!!! Everything he says is the truth!!!!"

The parent was in the office within 10 minutes of the dismissal bell.

Of course, I was not "removed." TPTB knew it was a ludicrous claim. But...when the admin thinks of me, when a school board member hears my name, what do they remember about me? I'm a "trouble maker." I didn't "compromise" to keep parents pacified by avoiding hot button topics.

It's not in the contract. It's not directly stated. But woe to the educator who pisses off parents by not watering down curriculum.

I've had administrators tell me that I couldn't teach a novel that was part of district adopted curriculum because it encouraged young people to question authority, and our community didn't want their children questioning anything. That same line was fed me when another administrator, a different year, observed me actually TEACHING (gasp!) students to ask critical questions about what they were learning.

When teachers get reprimanded, pressured, and have evaluations downgraded for things like this, is it any wonder that evolution isn't more openly, firmly, and clearly addressed?

This week, a former student who just graduated came back to visit my classes. He was president of the speech and debate team at his high school, and came to talk about that, and to demonstrate some of the different kinds of speaking that the team did in regional competitions. One of them was an impromptu speech: given a topic and 30 seconds to think, talk about it for five minutes. He did very well with each class, but he also shocked the hell out of them. Why? Because he talked about evolution, he talked about guns, he talked about all kinds of forbidden subjects for these rural tea-party raised kids. He could get away with it. He wasn't their teacher, he was a student, and he was demonstrating speaking skills, not teaching the topics he spoke about.

Still, my admin was not happy.

3catwoman3

(23,948 posts)
37. In the thread about Ralph Reed's appearance on Bill Maher's show...
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jun 2014

...Maher uses the phrase "willing suspension of critical thinking," when questioning Reed on the concept of 'faith.' Willing suspension of critical thinking applies here as well.

Willing suspension of disbelief is fine at the movies. Real life, not so much.

flvegan

(64,406 posts)
38. I believe that, literally, every time I find myself driving somewhere.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jun 2014

I find it incomprehensible how people can participate in such an easy practice so poorly. Maybe it stems from the idea that most any drive is going to take longer than it would to put 140 characters together in a Tweet, and that's the entire mental capacity of far too many people today.
#You'reanidiot #Hangupanddrive #Fuckingpayattention #Thisisapoundsign

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
41. Dinosaurs & humans still inhabit the earth simultaneously. Here is proof...
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:23 PM
Jun 2014

The Arizonosaurus shows up every Sunday Morning on television.

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