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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:37 AM Jun 2014

Georgia governor's race a bellwether for 'Obamacare'


Georgia governor's race a bellwether for 'Obamacare'

Republican incumbent, funded by health insurance monopoly, confronts popular support for Medicaid expansion
June 6, 2014 2:15AM ET
by Zaid Jilani @ZaidJilani

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The Republican Governors Association bought television ads tying Democratic challenger Jason Carter to Obamacare.


The Republican Governors Association (RGA) was clearly worried about news that Georgia Democratic gubernatorial nominee Jason Carter, grandson to former governor and president Jimmy Carter, was outpolling incumbent Republican Gov. Nathan Deal. In late May, the organization bought more than $500,000 worth of airtime for an attack ad in the Peach State.

The RGA ad is revealing for what the party is and isn’t willing to say in its campaign to protect the endangered incumbent. The ad’s narrator says “Obamacare” five times and accuses Carter of wanting to “expand” it.

Actually, Carter has been critical of the rollout of the Affordable Care Act, saying it was a “mess.” He insists, however, that Georgia should take the federal dollars offered as part of the ACA’s Medicaid expansion and utilize them either to expand Georgia’s Medicaid program or to subsidize the health exchange market, which is what Arkansas and Kentucky did.

The RGA likely studied the polls before deciding to avoid mentioning Medicaid altogether. Almost 6 in 10 Georgians support Medicaid expansion, which makes Deal’s opposition unpopular in a state where four rural hospitals have shut down in the past two years and as many as 30 more face large cuts or closure altogether due to lack of funding.

But the RGA’s ad isn’t just another political hit piece that spins the issue and denies talking about the underlying facts. It’s also a smooth act of political money laundering, in which a special interest group was able to pump money into Georgia’s political system without having to put its name on a single commercial.

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Georgia governor's race a bellwether for 'Obamacare' (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
People are tired of crooked Deal. n2doc Jun 2014 #1
I hope also but those ads riversedge Jun 2014 #2
Those who hate Obama that much will never vote for Carter n2doc Jun 2014 #3
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Glitterati Jun 2014 #5
It would be nice but mdbl Jun 2014 #12
That is the attitude that costs us elections Glitterati Jun 2014 #16
I hope you're right this time mdbl Jun 2014 #17
Perhaps "bigoted" was a bit harsh Glitterati Jun 2014 #18
I understand your point but how do you think they started winning elections? mdbl Jun 2014 #20
Will Dems turn out? Android3.14 Jun 2014 #14
The key to Obamacare opposition from the masses is Glitterati Jun 2014 #4
In politics, the color green trumps every other color johnlucas Jun 2014 #6
Well said and well done, Glitterati. Laelth Jun 2014 #8
Thanks, Laelth! Glitterati Jun 2014 #9
Your caution does you credit. Laelth Jun 2014 #10
This guy lost his primary... Blanks Jun 2014 #13
Jason also needs to talk up the fact babylonsister Jun 2014 #15
k&r for Jason Carter. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #7
I've seen those commercials. They're revolting. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #11
I don't think that Jason is going to pull it out. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #19

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
1. People are tired of crooked Deal.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:00 AM
Jun 2014

Hopefully enough are tired of the "obamacare demon" crap to ignore it too. Go Carter!

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
2. I hope also but those ads
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:21 AM
Jun 2014

are deceptive and many will be convinced because of the name Obama as in Obamacare!!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. Those who hate Obama that much will never vote for Carter
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:54 AM
Jun 2014

It is really just preaching to the choir for them. The big issue is, will Dems turn out?

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
12. It would be nice but
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jun 2014

all the right wing has to do is start screaming abortion, gays and taxes and the idiots vote for them, even though the right wing doesn't really care about these issues. The right wing only cares about keeping money for themselves. All other issues are folly for this fact.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
16. That is the attitude that costs us elections
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jun 2014

There are a lot of voters who vote republican because they've been doing it their whole life. A few minutes in polite conversation and you've converted them to a reliable DEM voter.

But, you have to be willing to make the investment.

Broad brushing them with bigoted statements just means we will always be in this perpetual "fight" cycle and convert no one, depending on turning out our voters who don't turn out.

Step 1. Enlarge the base
Step 2. Turn out the base

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
17. I hope you're right this time
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jun 2014

Hasn't been working for me in the past. BTW, I didn't know talking about awful over-used political strategies makes my statements bigoted.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
18. Perhaps "bigoted" was a bit harsh
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 09:07 AM
Jun 2014

But, calling the voters we need to reach "idiots" is dismissive and self defeating at the outset.

We really have to stop dividing into us and them if we hope to have conversations with them at all. It's sometimes very hard to do, but the politicians are stuck in this cycle and we really have to lead by example - one by one, voter by voter.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
20. I understand your point but how do you think they started winning elections?
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

By being divisive and calling Democrats names. i will continue to turn those tables on them until they come to their senses- and yes, they are idiots for listening to other idiots like right wing radio and TV. The media was never so abused as it is today pushing an ideology when all we really need to hear is the truth. So yes, they are idiots. Maybe ignoramuses is better? I am not going to use honey to lure the bear that wants to eat me.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
4. The key to Obamacare opposition from the masses is
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:56 AM
Jun 2014

keeping them uninformed of what it really IS and what it really COSTS the consumer.

Without fail, every right winger I tell about my Obamacare coverage and cost runs to healthcare.gov to find out what they missed out on! In Georgia. At Walmart.

I have multiple opportunities to talk up my Obamacare coverage there - with employees and customers. And, whew boy, they really react when they discovered what they missed out on.

When I tell these people I am 62 yrs. old with a pre-existing condition, paying $28.55/month and $25.00 per doctor visit, plus $500/650 deductible, out of pocket, they RUN to healthcare.gov

These people form their own little political "clumps" where they all agree with each other and never let in the FACTS unless they accidentally overhear a conversation from someone else.

These are the people Jason Carter needs to talk to. And these are the people the RGA has set out to keep uninformed and stupid.


 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
6. In politics, the color green trumps every other color
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:36 AM
Jun 2014

This is what I hoped Obama would do when he passed a plan in office.
No matter how many people hate him because he was Black, they would have to think twice when see how much Green they can keep.
They're gonna be put to the crossroads: ? Hate Blackie. Save Greenie. ?
They gotta pick a road at this fork one way or another.

There will always be those fools hanging onto that Klan mentality but some of those folks will pick Save Greenie & the erosion of the Solid Southern Bigoted Block will happen more & more.
Campaigning with the Boogieman approach on Obamacare may just backfire on the Republicans in Georgia.
In that case I say Please Proceed Governor.



John Lucas

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
9. Thanks, Laelth!
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jun 2014

Piercing that bubble of hate these folks have surrounded themselves with is the key to conversion.

Politicians who refuse to do that one-on-one can never win a race. They have to get IN the circle and start a conversation with these people or we have no hope of informing them.

THAT has to be the key - information. I find that so many of these people simply don't have the information they need - they ASSUME and never hear facts. These folks had never even BEEN to healthcare.gov.

As for the sig line graphics, I'm not a fan of "decorations" on forums, and I feel like I have to hear more from Jason Carter before I can offer my full throttled support. His voting record in the state senate has me concerned, to say the least. I'm not saying I won't vote for him (hell, I'd never cast a vote for Nathan Deal!), but I want to hear more before I start sporting "bumper stickers" anywhere.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
10. Your caution does you credit.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jun 2014

My "bumper sticker" campaign has a specific purpose here on DU. First, it's to encourage people to demand that we nominate a liberal for President (i.e. Elizabeth Warren), and, second, it's to remind non-Southern Democrats that the Democratic Party has some strength in the South and a proud tradition in Georgia particularly (i.e. Jason Carter and Michelle Nunn). That's not to say that I agree with either of these politicians 100%, but it does announce that there's a strong, liberal, Democratic presence in the South that can win.

Speaking of which, I hope you saw the recent poll that says Jason Carter is leading against Nathan Deal by 7 points ... HERE.

As for your crusade to inform people, I could not agree more. Ignorance is our primary enemy, and it is fueled by dis-information from the right. Your willingness to actively inform others is admirable.



-Laelth

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
13. This guy lost his primary...
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jun 2014

Every ad he ran showed him talking about repealing Obamacare.



I don't think opposing Obamacare (as a single issue) is a winning proposition.

We are at the point now, that a congress that repeals Obamacare will take health insurance away from millions.

That should be the democrats issue for November.

babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
15. Jason also needs to talk up the fact
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jun 2014

that Deal has turned down Medicaid in this state, talk it up big. So many people aren't insured because of that.

I turned several rethugs here in GA when I told them about the ACA; despite their initial doubts, they are now insured.

Yes, getting people informed is imperative.

And PS, I got an RGA flyer in the mail yesterday which I promptly threw out. They're nutz.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
11. I've seen those commercials. They're revolting.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jun 2014

I get my local TV out of Georgia, so I have been seeing this crap on a fairly regular basis. It's not quite as bad the filth that Suxby Chambliss used to smear Max Clelland, but it's fitting of its source. Bunch of dirtbags.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
19. I don't think that Jason is going to pull it out.
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 09:26 AM
Jun 2014

Polling has Deal leading by single digits, but in a heavily Red state that is probably more than enough. Realistically, I don't think we can do it, but I've been wrong before.

IMO, the biggest threat is the loss of the Senate to the Rethugs. If we lose that, which is a definate possibility, then President Obama's last two years in office is toast. He will spend the final two years in office struggling to maintain any progress at all, as the Rethugs chip away at his legislative accomplishments bit by bit. If we work our asses off, and we don't give up, we have a fair chance of maintaining the majority by a vote or two in the Senate.

BTW. The Health Care law is unpopular according to polling. So running on it is not exactly a guaranteed winner, and if you doubt me, then check back after the election if Carter loses. Because then all the apologists who swore that the election was a bell-weather for the ACA will be swearing that the ACA had nothing to do with the defeat and that Jason Carter was an idiot and ran his campaign wrong.

Because we've seen that before, the effort to re-write history.

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