He would have passed it for a semi-automatic rifle also.

Legal purchase with background check failure? Legal purchase without background check (thanks, gun shows)? Illegal black market purchase? Or theft?

Another article says he had a hunting license till 2010.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-pacific-university-shooting-suspects-frien/ngFt6/

Capt. Chris Fowler of the Seattle Police Department confirmed Friday, “We can say Mr. Ybarra did legally obtain the shotgun several years earlier.”

KIRO 7 is working to find out where and when Ybarra got the weapon.

Records show Ybarra had a hunting and fishing license from 2001 until 2010.

He bought it before the mental health issues arose. I wonder if we shouldn't raise the minimum age to buy a weapon? I think it's 18 for long guns and 21 for handguns. Isn't it common for schizophrenics to begin showing symptoms several years into their 20s?

Maybe the involuntary commits prevented him from purchasing additional weapons..?

with pepper spray while he reloaded the thing.

This could have been so much worse. I think we should reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban.

And limit magazine capacity to 5 rounds. And make possession of current era extended round magazines a felony if not turned in by 1/01/2015.

I would consider an exemption for a .22 LR, such as a Ruger 10/22, but the 9mm, detachable magazine rifle you posted is definitely an assault weapon.

And I'm not suggesting we pay for (buy back) the extended capacity magazines. I'm suggesting we make them illegal and make possession of them illegal after a certain date: 1/1/2015.

consistent. Any semi-auto rifle with a removable box magazine.

Pump action?

To take a possession from someone that was legally purchased and removed from possession by government action without just compensation would violate the 5th amendment.

The 5th amendment has been held to require just compensation for property taken by the government for public use. This wouldn't be for public use - it would be for destruction.

The courts have found public safety exemptions to other constitutional protections time and time again.

Worst case scenario, simply make possession of the extended magazine a felony and leave it up to the people to dispose of them. Anyone who doesn't would lose their gun rights (felons) -- win/win!

I will not

You're reacting to the absolute corner case of murders, random mass shootings, and even then a majority of them are done with handguns, the one type of gun nobody seems to be in any hurry to do anything about (except me, I guess; I don't see nearly as much constitutional protection for handguns as for rifles and shotguns, personally). The vast majority of gun murders just use the first bullet. The even vaster majority of gun deaths (since 2/3rds of them are suicides) just need the first bullet.

I do appreciate that you at least want to ban all semi-automatics that accept a detachable magazine. That's a position I don't take but it at least accomplishes what you intend to accomplish, unlike nebulous "assault weapons bans".

We need to lay the groundwork in order to get there.

Handguns are what's actually killing people. That's not icing.

We have to chip away at the 2A until a handgun ban is within reach.

and throwing it away on laws that keep rifles from having bayonet lugs is a colossal waste of political capital.

(There's no definitive proof for your position or mine; I just wanted to get the contrary view out there.)

Look how the anti-choice movement has eroded Roe vs. Wade. They chipped away at abortion rights piece by piece, over years and years. I find it despicable because I am pro-choice, but their tactics and effectiveness should acknowledged utilized for gun control.

When the original AWB was passed, military-styled rifles were a fringe thing. I remember at the range (I shot competitively in high school) we would laugh at people who brought them in. Now they're the most popular form of long gun in the country. When the 94 ban was passed, gunmakers filed down the bayonet lugs (or in some cases, literally just changed the brand name) at which point the guns were perfectly legal again and they immediately started selling like hotcakes*.

Now, it's not fair to blame all of that on the AWB; part of it was that the Gulf war era vets trained on guns like them rather than on more traditional looking guns, and people tend to prefer a gun they already know how to maintain. But it's ludicrous to say that wasn't a large part of the huge increase in popularity in the past 20 years of military-styled rifles.

* I often hear, "well, we need to write a better law without loopholes". Fair enough; but that better law that actually does what supporters think the original AWB did would have to ban all semi-automatics with detachable magazines, which is something like 85% of all guns out there now. It wasn't that the AWB was a decent idea with poorly-crafted loopholes, it was a fundamentally dishonest law that claimed to do something it didn't.

are not the problem and it would not solve the issue.

Thanks

*pat* *pat* *pat*

Good luck with that.

if bought from an FFL to include at a gunshow a background check would have been passed for transfer. It is possible it was an intrastate private transfer and that would be a state issue as to whether a background check is required.

the details of his involuntary hospitalizations. Who/where he was treated, how long, was
there follow up care.

We have so many mass shootings now....we're still waiting to hear about Elliot Rodger.

We're not going to be able to keep up.

with delusions of grandeur ("I am god&quot . He was prescribed anti-psychotics that he refused to take, and a family friend was quoted as saying he heard voices.

That might be all we ever hear about him, unless his family decides to go public.

conservatorship..I don't think they did. The therapists may fight not cooperating but
with that said, their records even their session notes can be under subpoena read
by a judge who can review them and make a determination without disclosing their
content to the public. In Newtown, the school systems lawyers have been fighting
the release of their internal documents on Lanza...it is an interesting fight to CYA.

for just this year alone.

The reference was to the I Vista mass murder which has morphed into a "mass shooting" since that locks into a MSM-driven Narrative. I do not like blatant inaccuracies like this, and will continue to point them out. Here's another: The great attention to that idiot's misogynistic beliefs (he certainly had them), but with scant reference to his hatred of men who got along well with women. In the event, the punk was maliciously equitable in whom he killed.

Clearly, we do not agree.

drop gun control/prohibition as an approach to social problems, and get serious about defining social problems, and deal with them in a progressive manner. Taking a narrow prohibitionist approach to a cluster of ill-defined problems is an admission that we have given up on our own progressive beliefs.

Frankly, I think progressives, liberals, and leftists are lost in the woods, without a party, without leadership, without a coherent belief system, without even a way to Communicate seriously with each other. So we turn to controls & bans, point at a hated group, condemn a race or region, attack each other. The people in charge of this country want exactly that.

....... I got to this post and got confused and forgot which massacre we were discussing. I had to scroll back to the top.

are going.

even more pronounced among gun-controllers than among 2A defenders. Due process is a tough one to handle, which is why 5A suffers slippage so often in these debates.

Like this woman?

-- There was no legal basis for holding an Essex woman against her will for 5 1/2 weeks at a psychiatric ward after her estranged husband killed their son and then hanged himself, a Vermont Superior Court judge ruled Friday.

Judge Kevin Griffin ordered that Christina Schumacher, 48, be allowed to leave Fletcher Allen Health Care in Burlington at once.

"The Application for Involuntary Treatment is DENIED. The Court ORDERS respondent released immediately," Griffin wrote.

Schumacher was hospitalized involuntarily Dec. 19, one day after the bodies of Gunnar Schumacher, 14, and Ludwig "Sonny" Schumacher, 49, were found in an Essex apartment.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/24/christina-schumacher-gunnar-ludwig/4851231/

Having worked for the federal Protection and Advocacy program here in Vermont, I can tell you that the majority of people committed (at least here) are not a threat if they are in possession of a fire arm. Sweeping laws such as you suggest, are a very bad thing. Cases should be looked at one at a time.

Sid