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niyad

(112,435 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:16 PM Jun 2014

the common roots of misogynist culture in pakistan and the us

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Madiha Tahir is an independent journalist based in Pakistan and a filmmaker whose documentary “Wounds of Waziristan” focuses on the impact of U.S. drone strikes on ordinary Pakistanis. She has just co-edited a new volume of essays called “Dispatches From Pakistan,” along with Qalandar Bux Memon and Vijay Prashad. In an interview on Uprising, I asked Tahir whether she gets the “culture” question often. She agreed that “this is the predominant frame through which this story has been discussed, and it’s unfortunate because it doesn’t have anything to do with culture. It has to do with sexism, patriarchy, misogyny—and those issues are not specific to Pakistan or to Muslims.”

Tahir’s statements are confirmed by the ugly fact that, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, “1 in 6 women reported experiencing rape or attempted rape at some time in their lives.” Additionally, a quarter of all American women have experienced domestic violence, and a third of all women killed in this nation are victims of homicide by their current or former partner or spouse.

A new study concluding that Americans tend to take hurricanes with female names less seriously than those with male names proves just how implicitly sexism is embedded in the culture of this nation. And a look at these photos of a Tennessee survivor of domestic violence should also perhaps elicit the question: “What is it about the culture of the U.S. that generates such misogyny?”
Even the recent massacre by a 22-year-old man in Isla Vista, Calif., who announced his planned slaughter of women as collective punishment for a life of sexual rejection, proves that we all live somewhere within the spectrum of misogynist culture that stretches from California to Calcutta and beyond. Tahir cited the Isla Vista case as further proof that if there is a “cultural explanation” for horrific killings of women, it is a global one.

But what spurs such deep-seated misogyny? Pakistan lies just south of Afghanistan, where the U.S. has fought a 12-year-long war, and lies in the vicinity of the disputed territory of Kashmir, which is considered the largest militarized zone in the world. Pakistan’s own Northwest Frontier Province has been the target of U.S. drone strikes for years. I asked Tahir whether the constant backdrop of militarism was linked to violence against women. She didn’t hesitate, saying, “Yes, absolutely, militarism is deeply implicated in gender violence, and patriarchy more generally. In Pakistan, for all our democratic milestones about half the country is effectively under occupation,” such as the army-controlled Balochistan and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas where the U.S. drops bombs from unmanned aerial vehicles. These parts of Pakistan witness, according to Tahir, “daily violence being meted out by state and non-state actors, and that feeds into an atmosphere in which violence is seen as the tool for conflict resolution.”

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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/06/06-7

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the common roots of misogynist culture in pakistan and the us (Original Post) niyad Jun 2014 OP
Complete bollocks. She needs look for the roots of misogny in South Asian snagglepuss Jun 2014 #1
Islam is as much of an Abrahamic religion as Christianity Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #2
It's as present in Hinduism as it is in Islam. Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #16
What about the roots of misogyny in Christianity? It's really more a matter of degree than kind. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #5
Whatever faults Christians have they don't burn widows, kill baby girls or snagglepuss Jun 2014 #8
no, they only burn witches and midwives and healers, and are completely patriarchal. niyad Jun 2014 #9
Never stated Christians and FWIW I'm not one however they stop stoning snagglepuss Jun 2014 #14
"Whatever faults Christians have" is the beginning of your subject line. niyad Jun 2014 #15
Are they stoning people to death? Hanging them and in such a way that death is not snagglepuss Jun 2014 #17
keep trying to pretend that there is any difference in any of the abrahamic belief systems. would niyad Jun 2014 #18
The roots are in patriarchy, of course. redqueen Jun 2014 #3
Or just not giving it up after a nice dinner. boston bean Jun 2014 #4
You just reminded me of a poem. redqueen Jun 2014 #7
so very true niyad Jun 2014 #10
+1. closeupready Jun 2014 #12
DU Rec. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #6
. . . niyad Jun 2014 #11
The obvious but ugly fact is that most men do not like women. closeupready Jun 2014 #13
. . . niyad Jun 2014 #19

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
1. Complete bollocks. She needs look for the roots of misogny in South Asian
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jun 2014

within Hinduism and Islam. Misogny was in South Asia place before America existed.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
2. Islam is as much of an Abrahamic religion as Christianity
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jun 2014

although I'd say that militarism is a symptom of a violent and patriarchal culture, not a cause.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
16. It's as present in Hinduism as it is in Islam.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:45 PM
Jun 2014

Pakistan used to be part of India, and misogyny goes back thousands of years in that part of the world.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
8. Whatever faults Christians have they don't burn widows, kill baby girls or
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jun 2014

condone so-called honor killing, nor do they subscribe to a caste system.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
14. Never stated Christians and FWIW I'm not one however they stop stoning
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:37 PM
Jun 2014

people 2000 yrs ago and slaughtering witches 300 years ago. This is not to say that they did so on their own accord however the fact remains that Christianity has changed for the better.

niyad

(112,435 posts)
15. "Whatever faults Christians have" is the beginning of your subject line.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jun 2014

changed for the better? seriously, are you paying attention to what christians are saying and doing these days?

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
17. Are they stoning people to death? Hanging them and in such a way that death is not
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jun 2014

instantaneous as is the practice in the Islamic State of Iran? Perhaps you care to site some instances.

niyad

(112,435 posts)
18. keep trying to pretend that there is any difference in any of the abrahamic belief systems. would
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:59 PM
Jun 2014

suggest that you consider paying attention to the hate-filled garbage being spewed by any number of christians, regarding killing women who had abortions, women (but not men) who commit adultery, and disobedient teens, just a couple of them off the top of my head.

(and, sorry, cannot pinpoint locations of instances.)

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
3. The roots are in patriarchy, of course.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jun 2014
But, said Tahir, militarism and its impact on women is “not specific to Pakistan.” Even the U.S. Pentagon’s own report found that violent sex crimes committed by active U.S. Army soldiers have increased by 50 percent, reflecting a rate that is far higher than in the general population. “When Pakistani men commit such crimes,” said Tahir, “it’s called ‘honor killings,’ and we condemn entire cultures for it.” But “when it’s Western men who commit such crimes we tend to look for psychological explanations.” So, the Isla Vista killer, Elliot Rodger, was described as a “troubled kid with high-functioning Asperger’s syndrome,” and U.S. soldiers committing sex crimes are seen through the lens of post-traumatic stress disorder from the battlefield.


Some even go so far as to say the women attacked bring the violence upon themselves, by drinking too much, dressing provocatively, or provoking their male partners or ex partners.
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
13. The obvious but ugly fact is that most men do not like women.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jun 2014

They may get phallic erections and engage in vaginal sexual intercourse with women - whether because they want to do it, or are obligated by social expectations or familial demands - and they may say over and over all day long how they love women, and wolf whistle, and quip, "lucky guy!" when stories about 13 year old boys are raped by adult females, but there are so many data points evidencing the incredibly deep hatred most men feel for women.

Misogyny has nothing to do with being Pakistani or South Asian as such, or American. It DOES exist strongly in most of the world.

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