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Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:47 AM Jun 2014

Why call him Sergeant Bergdahl?

Why not revert him back to his former rank? Even with no charges against him, he's back in the Army and only received his promotions in absentia. Others the Army would have had to undertake formal courses, training and assessment to reach his rank.

Any experts on why he should or will remain a Sergeant?

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Why call him Sergeant Bergdahl? (Original Post) Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 OP
Why not? jehop61 Jun 2014 #1
Wouldn't that be something that commanding officers need to decide? Skidmore Jun 2014 #2
Such promotions are standard. longship Jun 2014 #3
"Only" received his promotions in absentia? Lefta Dissenter Jun 2014 #4
Military policy and tradition is that POWs get promoted on schedule hack89 Jun 2014 #5
Exactly. Jeneral is clearly no General. n/t FourScore Jun 2014 #34
Why does it matter? pipoman Jun 2014 #6
great question Enrique Jun 2014 #23
In absentia? rbrnmw Jun 2014 #7
As I understand it, many soldiers get what are called battlefield promotions justiceischeap Jun 2014 #8
it's not a battlefield promotion Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 #26
If you actually read the Wiki article you would see that being held hostage justiceischeap Jun 2014 #36
Sergeant is the rank that he would have presumably reached if Lurks Often Jun 2014 #9
WLC (PLDC) is no longer a prerequisite to get giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #10
Thanks, I've been out a while n/t Lurks Often Jun 2014 #11
Lol... I could tell by the PLDC... giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #13
5 years to a Sergeant? Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 #28
He probably would have picked up rank on re enlistment pipoman Jun 2014 #38
Mostly you seem to be trying to make something out of nothing Lurks Often Jun 2014 #43
Even Bowe does not want to be referred to as Sergeant. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #12
"In absentia"? Nice try. hatrack Jun 2014 #14
That's actually correct Travelman Jun 2014 #17
Yes, let's strip him of his rank... Oilwellian Jun 2014 #15
It was an automatic promotion Travelman Jun 2014 #16
Because that is his current rank. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #18
Why call you "General"? Sgt Bergdahl was not promoted "in absentia" but while a PRISONER OF WAR Hekate Jun 2014 #19
What is his current rank? NCTraveler Jun 2014 #20
No, YOU are now "in absentia." BERGDAHL was a POW. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #21
I believe the guy will be "med-boarded" out based on his psychological state Victor_c3 Jun 2014 #22
That's his rank. Iggo Jun 2014 #24
He's a private Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 #27
You're wrong. Iggo Jun 2014 #29
It's always entertaining watching someone pipoman Jun 2014 #39
what qualifies you to make that judgment? frylock Jun 2014 #44
Clueless nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #25
Standards.. doxydad Jun 2014 #30
Because that's his rank. He's a Sergeant. MineralMan Jun 2014 #31
How about because sarisataka Jun 2014 #32
Why is this important to you? nt Zorra Jun 2014 #33
just because he was stuck in a cage and tortured bigtree Jun 2014 #35
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #37
Any promotions should be rescinded immediately until certified... Orsino Jun 2014 #40
Sergeant seems to be one Spirochete Jun 2014 #41
This isn't the first time I have hoped you would find a home in Discussionist. He's a Sergeant. Squinch Jun 2014 #42

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
4. "Only" received his promotions in absentia?
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:01 AM
Jun 2014

Why don't we just go ahead and give him a dishonorable discharge?

Wow, the swiftboating is a powerful force.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. Military policy and tradition is that POWs get promoted on schedule
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:02 AM
Jun 2014

he is called Sergeant Bergdahl because he is Sergeant Bergdahl.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
8. As I understand it, many soldiers get what are called battlefield promotions
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:04 AM
Jun 2014

and they too have had no training and get to keep their ranks.

A battlefield promotion is awarded to enlisted soldiers who are promoted to a higher enlisted rank during combat or combat conditions. The US Army discontinued this practice after the Vietnam War with the centralized promotion system, but in 2009 decided to again allow such promotions.[1] "Battlefield promotions are predicated on extraordinary performance of duties while serving in combat or under combat conditions." It can be used to promote an individual soldier one grade, to at most staff sergeant, and has a variety of constraints.[2] This promotion does not involve a promotion board and does not require the soldier meet time in service or time in grade requirements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_promotion#Types_of_Battlefield_Promotion

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
36. If you actually read the Wiki article you would see that being held hostage
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

or as a POW is considered heroic.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
9. Sergeant is the rank that he would have presumably reached if
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:05 AM
Jun 2014

the past 5 years hadn't happened. Everything up to E-4 is pretty much automatic barring any disciplinary issues and he passes his PT test as required.

To become a Sergeant requires passing PLDC (Primary Leadership Development Course). Presuming he isn't court-martialed and found guilty AND chooses to stay in the military, he will probably be required to pass PLDC at a later date. My own guess is that, if he is not court martialed and found guilty, he will chose to not re-enlist and will leave the Army as a Sergeant.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
10. WLC (PLDC) is no longer a prerequisite to get
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:10 AM
Jun 2014

promoted to E5. You just have to have it within a certain time of making rank. Just an FYI.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
38. He probably would have picked up rank on re enlistment
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:12 PM
Jun 2014

And is automatically re enlisted while in captivity.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
43. Mostly you seem to be trying to make something out of nothing
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jun 2014

POW's get promoted based on when they would have been promoted if they had not been captured. This isn't the first time a POW has been promoted.

Travelman

(708 posts)
17. That's actually correct
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:23 AM
Jun 2014

He was promoted, even though he was absent. Hence, "in absentia." It's not new, nor is it somehow derogatory. Lots of people have been promoted in absentia in the past. IIRC, John McCain was promoted when he was held in the Hanoi Hilton, for example.

Travelman

(708 posts)
16. It was an automatic promotion
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jun 2014

Barring anything else, he would have gotten that promotion to Sergeant anyway by virtue of his time in the Army. If the Army takes away one or more stripes, then that's another matter, but at least for now, he has earned the rank of Sergeant and should be afforded that title.

That having been said, I heard over the weekend that he has said that he does not feel that he has earned the rank and has asked to be addressed as Private instead. Frankly, I don't know what the Army's stance is on something like that.



Until the Army says otherwise, I'll be calling him Sergeant because that's the rank he has earned.

Hekate

(90,638 posts)
19. Why call you "General"? Sgt Bergdahl was not promoted "in absentia" but while a PRISONER OF WAR
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:34 PM
Jun 2014

There is a real difference

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. What is his current rank?
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:40 PM
Jun 2014

"Why call him Sergeant Bergdahl?"

Take the answer to the first question and put it in front of his name. That will answer your question.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
22. I believe the guy will be "med-boarded" out based on his psychological state
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:51 PM
Jun 2014

I have nothing to base it off of, but that is just my hunch.

Let the guy have his rank. To take it away from him would only add to the sense of shame that I'm sure he is feeling for no reason.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
39. It's always entertaining watching someone
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jun 2014

Without a hint of knowledge of the military speak about such things. .lol

frylock

(34,825 posts)
44. what qualifies you to make that judgment?
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:58 PM
Jun 2014

unless you have some inside knowledge based on your MOS, you're talking straight outta your ass.

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
30. Standards..
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jun 2014

These promotions are standard, and if your MIA or POW, you will automatically receive these promotions.

MineralMan

(146,285 posts)
31. Because that's his rank. He's a Sergeant.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:09 PM
Jun 2014

What should we call you, Jeneral? What's your rank? I doubt that you're a General in any military organization. Most Generals know how to spell their rank.

So, give us a rundown of your military service and rank, if you don't mind.

I was a Sergeant in the USAF. On my discharge in 1969, I no longer had any rank in the USAF. I was a civilian again.

So, tell us of your military service, please.

sarisataka

(18,578 posts)
32. How about because
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

he has been promoted to sergeant?

Th courses and other requirements can be waived if there are extenuating circumstances. I received a couple promotions without having all of the "by the book" requirements. You simply take the appropriate course when available.

Why would he be reduced in rank? Was there some act he committed justifying a reduction?

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
35. just because he was stuck in a cage and tortured
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jun 2014

. . . doesn't mean he shouldn't be given credit for time served in the field.

Take some time to read the fucking regs and piss off.

Response to Jeneral2885 (Original post)

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
40. Any promotions should be rescinded immediately until certified...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jun 2014

...by anonymous Internet military experts who can properly characterize Bergdahl's performance.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
41. Sergeant seems to be one
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

of the nicer things he's been called recently. He shoukd maybe get another promotion just based on the shit he's had to take from his own countrymen lately.

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