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MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:57 PM Jun 2014

So, Am I a Prepper Now?

This spring, the sump pump in my house has been running, as it usually does, about once ever 8-10 minutes for about 10 seconds,and Minnesota's thunderstorm season is back, bringing with it the specter of power failures. We've lived here now for 10 years and so far, so good. We've had a few power outages in that time, but never during the period of time when the sump pump is very active. I remember one that lasted at least 8 hours and spoiled some food in our refrigerator.

We've had a very rainy year so far, and I'm betting that the sump pump in our basement will get a workout for a while, doing its job of keeping the basement dry. I mentioned to my wife what would happen if the power failed right now. Without the sump pump, the sump it sits in would fill in about 20 minutes and the water would come into the basement.

"What can we do about that?" she asked. I explained that we could get a battery backup system for the sump pump, with an inverter that would convert the 12 volts to 120 to run the pump. The other option was to buy a generator. Ever practical, my wife asked, "So which would be better?" I explained that in a long power outage, the sump pump would drain the battery. The generator, on the other hand, would only need more gasoline and could run indefinitely.

"Would the generator be of any use other than running the sump pump?" That was her next question. I told her that during the winter months, if the power failed, we could use it to power the furnace in the basement if I did a little rewiring work to allow the furnace to be plugged into the generator. "But we use natural gas to heat the house," she retorted. I told her that, while that was true, the furnace wouldn't work without being connected to electricity, for safety reasons.

"So, how much does a generator cost?" She's very good with questions. As it happened, I noticed in this week's ad from our local farm supply store that they had a 3250-watt/4000-watt peak generator on sale for $250. Now, it's a Chinese made generator, and not of the quality of a Honda or a good quality USA-made generator, but the farm supply store offers a 2 year flat replacement warranty for the thing for just $30. Besides, if it ran when I bring it home, odds are it will run when I need it, with a minimum regular attention to making sure the gasoline is fresh. It's not a unit you'd want to use commercially or constantly, but it won't be used that way.

"So go buy it." And that was her last word on that. So I did. I just came back in the house after setting it up, putting oil in the crankcase, gas in the tank, and pulling the rope. It started on the first pull, powered up a couple of power tools, so we look good to go. I truly won't use the thing unless we have a power outage, most likely, but if we have one, it may save us far more than $250 in clean-up costs if the basement got flooded.

I guess I'm a prepper now. I'd better go out and start working on the bunker at our "compound," I suppose.

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pinto

(106,886 posts)
1. I had a generator for back up in the 80's. Had 2 inflated shell greenhouses and lived in an area
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

that had frequent electrical outages. With the power out and the wind whipping, those greenhouses were prone to collapse without the inflated shell. Kept the generator in a metal, ventilated shed near the two greenhouses. It was only a matter of throwing on rain gear, grabbing a flashlight, switching the electrical lead and cranking up the generator.

Best investment I ever made. Never got so far as a bunker, tho.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
2. Well, I'd just as soon not need to fire the thing up,
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

but I imagine it'll get used whenever the local electric utility can't supply power to the house. Lights are good, too. In the winter, though, when it get get as cold as 20 below here, it could be a real treat to have around. Before winter this year, though, I'll have to do some rewiring to allow the furnace to be plugged in instead of being hard-wired. I checked before buying the generator, and it's on a 15 amp 120V circuit, so it should be fine on the generator, if needed.

Of course, then there's the problem of the poor neighbor next door, whose power will also be out. I haven't quite figured that one out yet. The generator has two separate 120V circuits, though, so I suppose I could run an extension cord to the neighbor's house, too, as long as I could depend on the neighbor not to overload it. A little education would be required, I think.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
6. I never ran more than the four blowers that kept the houses inflated. And a short line.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jun 2014

I was uncomfortable and unfamiliar with any further use. Plus the generator was a business write off, so it was meant for that.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
7. Normally, I avoid anything with a Chinese-made engine.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

It looks like a copy of a Honda OHV four-stroke engine. Identical, really. They've been making these things now for quite some time, so I suppose they are moderately reliable. Since it started instantly and ran smoothly and quietly for about 15 minutes in my test, I imagine it will start and run when I need it.

I wouldn't even think of using it as a regular generator, though. I doubt it would hold up beyond a couple hundred hours. Still, the cost of a good quality generator of that size is at least four times what I paid, so I wouldn't have one if there wasn't a cheap one available. I hope I'm right, anyhow.

EX500rider

(10,808 posts)
9. Just remember better to drain the gas tank between uses...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

...or the gas won't work when u need it....even "stabil" additives aren't going to keep the octane there long term......and you need to start and run it monthly/bi-monthly too...lol

The emerg gen's i fuel run usually 30 mins a week to keep in top shape though some get by with 30 min's a month. Also best to put some load on it when u exercise it so it gets a work out.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/04/09/aa.bad.gas/

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
3. This place opened up in a strip shopping center around here.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jun 2014

They have a guy dressed up in bright yellow hazmat suit with a gas mask holding/waving a placard that says "Prepper Supplies" with an arrow pointing to the store, standing along the main road. It is creepy!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/06/doomsday-zombie-preparedness/8767145/
https://www.facebook.com/StarQuestShooterandSurvivalSupply



BTW, a generator is sensible especially if you have a sump pump that needs to run during a storm. It is a far cry from some of the stuff in this shop.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
5. Oh, I know you were kidding.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jun 2014

I have been thinking about starting a thread about this shop for a month now and just took the excuse to post about it because I really find it disconcerting for some reason. I wouldn't want to explain to a car full of kids why that man is standing out there dressed like that.

broiles

(1,367 posts)
12. Not a prepper, just prepared.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:46 PM
Jun 2014

Living in an all electric house and being very cold natured, I have two generators to run the blowers on pellet stoves and the refrigerator. Puts my mind at rest.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
14. Spend another 75 dollars
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jun 2014

Get a water-powered backup sump pump.

http://www.amazon.com/Flotec-FP480WBU-Emergency-Sump-Pump/dp/B005DYP27E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1402340341&sr=8-3&keywords=water+powered+sump+pump

It doesn't need electricity or batteries or gas. It does need to be tapped into your water lines. As long as the normal sump pump is operating, it will never be triggered. If your sump pump fails from a power outage, the water level will rise, raising the float, which opens the valve to operate this.

Biggest problem with a generator: it only works if you're home and awake when the power goes out. With the water backup, if you leave town for a few days and your power goes out, your basement won't flood.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
15. LOL Nothing wrong with being prepared for emergencies.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jun 2014

I do it, and am trying to get to a point where I can live comfortably for an extended period if we lose power or some weird natural event should happen. To me that's just common sense, and something our ancestors would have done.

This past winter, it came in handy, with several days below freezing and ice that left us without power -- once for a few hours and another time for almost three days. We were able to cook, and had a little water put by. Luckily, the house stayed warm enough that we didn't feel too bad.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
16. If I lived in an area where there were frequent power outages
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jun 2014

I would also have a generator. Fortunately, we live in an area where all utilities are underground.

When I was a kid we lived in a ranch house that was quite long. There was a sump pump at each end of the house. When there was a thunderstorm they would kick in every 45 seconds. I remember a few times when he had to mop up some water on the basement floor.

My dad bought a generator and then it never was needed.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
18. I have a brother who lives in the country.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jun 2014

In the first winter in his house the power went off during blizzards more than once. The house was wired for the generator to plug into the electric box. He had a generator. The problem was he did not have the correct plug/connector to plug the generator into the electric system.

They were stuck out there without power for 2-1/2 days. It only got down to 45° in his basement and 55° upstairs because he had a large gas furnace in his attached three car garage.

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