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joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:24 PM Jun 2014

Hillary Clinton Defends High-Dollar Speaking Fees

"Hillary Clinton defended the millions of dollars she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have earned giving paid speeches since leaving public office in an exclusive interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer ahead of Tuesday's release of her new memoir, "Hard Choices."

"We came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt," Clinton told Sawyer, referring to the hefty legal fees incurred during their White House years. "We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelsea's education. You know, it was not easy."

She added, "Bill has worked really hard -- and it's been amazing to me -- he's worked very hard. First of all, we had to pay off all our debts, which was, you know, he had to make double the money because of obviously taxes and then pay off the debts and get us houses and take care of family members.""

http://gma.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-defends-high-dollar-speaking-fees-113922185--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

I am not hammering Hillary. Rather, I think this a commentary on those so rich that they have no clue what you and me struggle through every day. Bill made over $200,000 a year while in office, with minimal living expenses and now has a pension paying him $200,000 a year for life. And I am supposed to feel bad for your financial shape at any time since 1992?

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Hillary Clinton Defends High-Dollar Speaking Fees (Original Post) joeglow3 Jun 2014 OP
. tk2kewl Jun 2014 #1
So what - about her speaking fees JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #2
It is not a matter of the fees. It is the sob story behind her justification joeglow3 Jun 2014 #16
But she's a woman JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #21
I disagree. This is always brought up everytime a president leaves office joeglow3 Jun 2014 #22
Eh? JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #23
It's really actually insulting to compare the two. tritsofme Jun 2014 #30
if you don't like her speaking fees, don't pay to go to her speeches NightWatcher Jun 2014 #3
No need -Goldman hired her for like 400K for what, two hours of speaking? elehhhhna Jun 2014 #5
that's just another way to legally purchase influence NightWatcher Jun 2014 #7
Yep, politics - it's a lucrative racket elehhhhna Jun 2014 #11
Net worth of Hillary... Bill's net worth and Chelsa's net worth Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #4
Chelsea "earned" 15 MM? elehhhhna Jun 2014 #8
Yeah that was an eye opener... Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #10
and off of those mysterious, death rattle 'derivatives' Whisp Jun 2014 #14
It depends on how you define 'is' poor Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #18
WOWZER !! pangaia Jun 2014 #13
I saw that quote on tv laundry_queen Jun 2014 #26
It's a good time to buy. Octafish Jun 2014 #32
Hopefully, she'll stick to her corporate entertainment gig and forget running for chump change. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #6
I guess if I'm dead broke, I could always try for Rove's poolboy/girl. Whisp Jun 2014 #9
"Hard Choices" Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #12
reagan got $2 million for 2 speeches in japan shortly after he left office unblock Jun 2014 #15
do they all say they were soooooooo poor and struggling before Whisp Jun 2014 #17
no, only democrats do that. republicans have no shame about it. unblock Jun 2014 #19
making money from Bribes from Sachs... Whisp Jun 2014 #20
oh, there's no doubt that some of these people work hard, certainly bill clinton was famous for it. unblock Jun 2014 #24
Nothing wrong with making money, or even becoming rich. closeupready Jun 2014 #25
Damn she sounds a lot like ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #27
Queen Ann Romney. Yes, she does sound like that. Whisp Jun 2014 #28
I have no problem with her speaking fees. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #29
How does a politically astute person defend saying something so stupid? loyalsister Jun 2014 #31
The houses remark is not a very keen answer davidpdx Jun 2014 #39
Another view wilsonbooks Jun 2014 #33
What I find amazing is that the Clinton's bought their first house in Chappaqua. Jenoch Jun 2014 #34
you're hammering Hillary - don't kid yourself bigtree Jun 2014 #35
This is NOT about Hillary, per se joeglow3 Jun 2014 #40
The Clintons had huge debt treestar Jun 2014 #36
Agree. DURHAM D Jun 2014 #38
And the Obamas will be worth over $100 million within 10 years or so after his second term ends. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #37

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
2. So what - about her speaking fees
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

Why shouldn't she get hers? I'm all for anyone getting her do-re-mi. At least she's being paid as much as her male peers. That's good!

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
16. It is not a matter of the fees. It is the sob story behind her justification
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jun 2014

She should have said what you just said.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
21. But she's a woman
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jun 2014

Understand - we women - we always have to apologize when we make bank. That's all she's doing. The greater question -

Why was it even a topic of discussion? Why is anyone out there asking about it?

No one ever picks on Sister Sarah Alaskastan . . . and she was in the General Election in 2008 and a former Governor. Why does she always get a free pass and HRC doesn't?

Not fair. Not cool. I've HRC's back on this one.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
22. I disagree. This is always brought up everytime a president leaves office
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jun 2014

The difference is that this is the first time someone who benefits from these fees is running for office.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
23. Eh?
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

I'm voting for her if she is the nominee so I don't care. Let's just be careful to not punch our own candidates in the nose and give the IndieTeaPublicans any opening to do it to her. That goes for ANY candidate on the left.

tritsofme

(17,371 posts)
30. It's really actually insulting to compare the two.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jun 2014

Sarah Palin is a celebrity sideshow, while Hillary is likely to be the next president.

I agree that she deserves everything she has worked for, but scrutiny of her finances is justified.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. if you don't like her speaking fees, don't pay to go to her speeches
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jun 2014

That too is my view for people who hate that athletes make too much money. You don't like it, don't support it.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. that's just another way to legally purchase influence
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jun 2014

It's not a donation but a payment for a service.

I'd be curious to know what types of things they say in these paid for speeches.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
4. Net worth of Hillary... Bill's net worth and Chelsa's net worth
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary Clinton is an American Democratic Politician, with a net worth of $21.5 million.

Bill Clinton net worth: Bill Clinton is an American politician who has a net worth of $80 million

Chelsea Clinton is the daughter of former President of the United States Bill Clinton and United States Secretary of State Hiliary Rodham Clinton and has a net worth of $15 million. Chelsea Clinton earned her net worth through her career at the consulting firm of McKinsey & Company, as well as Avenue Capital Group

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/dl/bill-hillary-clinton-net-worth/

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
14. and off of those mysterious, death rattle 'derivatives'
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jun 2014

that were introduced during bill's watch.

aw, poor family!
makes me really angry, it does.
what the hell, what the hell is Hillary thinking, pining for sympathy becase they were 'so poor'. That is so disrespectful to every overworked hard working family who struggle to get by -- disrespectful and disgusting.

She should just shut the hell up, it's obvious she is not a reality based thinker. Go away, Clintons. Just go the fuck away.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
18. It depends on how you define 'is' poor
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jun 2014

'It depends on how you define alone'

… ... It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is.

It depends on how you define bullshit.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. WOWZER !!
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jun 2014

My first reaction to the OP was . aaawwwhhh, poor little Hillary..

Now it's like... I don't know.. shit fuck me.. .

Poor little Bubbha, had to pay some bills, had to buy some houses.. was that houseS as in plural??
well, looks like he could have borrow a few bucks from his daughter..

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
26. I saw that quote on tv
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jun 2014

she did indeed say houseS, plural. That caught my ear as soon as I heard it. I don't doubt that, for rich people, they struggled a bit but they had to know that a former president would make tons of money and all it would take would be a bit of time. The whole statement struck me as unbelievably tone deaf. Their 'struggle' is NOTHING like our 'struggle'.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. It's a good time to buy.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jun 2014

My house is worth about half of what it was in 2007. I'm not complaining, it was, for a while, worth a lot less than that.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
9. I guess if I'm dead broke, I could always try for Rove's poolboy/girl.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jun 2014

As long as it is money, it doesn't matter where it comes from! Lots of Dems are switching over to that train of thought lately. Money money money, it's a gas.

Very nice insight into the mind of a possible President.

Bullshit meter goes off because when she did the Sachs for $$$s, the Clinton's were multimillionaires. Anywhere from 50 to 100 million - and that may only be Bill's number.

So I call bullshit. Poor multimillionaire Clintons need Sachs money so bad, they need it, but for what - what is the deal?

She should be ashamed to talk like she was some minimum wage mom with 3 kids and same amount of jobs. That's disgusting.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
12. "Hard Choices"
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jun 2014

I can think of probably 300 million other Americans who have faced a lot more 'hard choices' in their lives than Hillary.

'Hard choices' are things like 'Do I buy medicine or food? Do I pay the phone bill or get my tooth fixed?'

unblock

(52,121 posts)
15. reagan got $2 million for 2 speeches in japan shortly after he left office
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jun 2014

they all do it. it's all quite disgusting, but they all do it.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
17. do they all say they were soooooooo poor and struggling before
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jun 2014

and worked soooooooooooooo hard and so now deserves MILLIONS?

fuck them. They've lost their fucking minds if they are messaging this shit this way.

unblock

(52,121 posts)
19. no, only democrats do that. republicans have no shame about it.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jun 2014

they find it amusing that democrats have to apologize for making money.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
20. making money from Bribes from Sachs...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014

Yes, that is Very Republican minded and many feel that the Clintons are just that - Republicans in Dems clothing.

Blatant mockery of the words 'hard working' and 'deserving'. I want to puke.

unblock

(52,121 posts)
24. oh, there's no doubt that some of these people work hard, certainly bill clinton was famous for it.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jun 2014

as do many top ceos. i work hard, but i might go up to 90 hours a week too if i were getting paid that much!

thing is, "hard work" is a red herring. ordinary people can relate to the concept that the harder you work, the more you get paid, because that's one of the few levers they can see in action. if i get paid hourly, more work means more pay. or maybe it means a puny raise or bonus at year end. but at least they can relate.

but that's not really where the money comes from. the money comes from being in a position to extract great wealth undeservingly, thanks to particular political connections and influence -- things that really ought to belong to the people, or at least ought not be for sale. the hard work then is in making the most of this undeserving situation. cashing in on that influence while you still have it, before you become irrelevant.

ceos use this canard all the time. sure, they work hard, but at the end of the day, they might make millions upon millions simply for being in charge and having stock options at a time when fed policy or some other external force worked greatly in their favor.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
25. Nothing wrong with making money, or even becoming rich.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jun 2014

Teddy Kennedy was rich, and he was a terrific Democrat. George Soros is another who actually did make his own fortune, rather than inherit, as the Kennedy's have.

The larger point is people raise the question of the Clinton's multimillionaire status within the context of a discussion about her possible presidential aspirations, and can she empathize with - as others here have put it - making the REAL hard choices between "medicine, or food?" "Rent, or the car insurance payment?"

Given that her husband's terms were hallmarked with debates about, for example, adjusting the COLA formula (and one example I remember well from that time was it was okay to take out the price of steak because people would simply substitute hamburger), and in light of their incredible growing material wealth, I don't think either one of them has learned ANYTHING about the massive wealth inequality going on the US.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. I have no problem with her speaking fees.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:52 PM
Jun 2014

But if she's going to collect several hundred thousand from Goldman Sachs, and then try to claim to be a progressive candidate... then I'm gonna call bullshit. What's next? "Compassionate Corporatism"?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
31. How does a politically astute person defend saying something so stupid?
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:22 PM
Jun 2014

HouseS? Came out of the white house dead broke\in debt? I know that when people are locked away in their own reality, their experience feels "normal." But, does a politically aware person thinking of running for president really want to admit to not knowing the price of a loaf of bread?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
39. The houses remark is not a very keen answer
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jun 2014

Yes, they had to live in multiple places. Saying that you had to buy houses doesn't elicit much sympathy. They bought their home in upstate New York, President Clinton had his office in New York city, and Hillary was working in D.C. Now whether houses means 2 or 3, I don't know. They did have income. Bill Clinton was getting his pension from his 8 years as president ($200,000 a year), Hillary Clinton was a sitting Senator ($175,000 a year).

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
33. Another view
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

After President Truman retired from office in 1952, he was left with an income consisting of basically just a U.S. Army pension, reported to have been only $13,507.72 a year. Congress, noting that he was paying for his stamps and personally licking them, granted him an "allowance" and, later, a retroactive pension of $25,000 per year. When offered corporate positions at large salaries, he declined, stating, "You don't want me. You want the office of the president, and that doesn't belong to me. It belongs to the American people and it's not for sale."

Even later, on May 6, 1971, when Congress was preparing to award him the Medal of Honor on his 87th birthday, he refused to accept it, writing, "I don't consider that I have done anything which should be the reason for any award, Congressional or otherwise."

We now see that other past presidents, have found a new level of success in cashing in on the presidency, resulting in untold wealth. Today, many in Congress also have found a way to become quite wealthy while enjoying the fruits of their offices. Obviously, political offices are now for sale.

Good old Harry Truman could have been correct when he observed, "My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference. I, for one, believe the piano player job to be much more honorable than current politicians."
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/quotes/truman/truman.asp#hMY5V7ilWXlFM8fU.99

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
35. you're hammering Hillary - don't kid yourself
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:49 PM
Jun 2014

. . . what's the standard amount of money folks think the Clintons are entitled to earn?

This kind of stuff is for the brain dead . . . brain cells popping just clicking on this thread

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
40. This is NOT about Hillary, per se
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:17 PM
Jun 2014

It is about the disjointed sense of reality of the uber rich (of which the Clintons are a part of).

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. The Clintons had huge debt
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:49 PM
Jun 2014

Legal bills etc. I think that is what she's getting at. They owed so much and were further in debt than any regular person could imagine. Glad they got out of it

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
38. Agree.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jun 2014

Not just the Clintons but their staff all had gigantic legal bills as well that they helped them pay off. Larry Klayman is still around trying to get our current President impeached and some crazy congress critters are working like crazy to make that happen.

I am embarrassed to see some of the posts on DU.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
37. And the Obamas will be worth over $100 million within 10 years or so after his second term ends.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jun 2014

Not to be cynical, but don't expect any of these folks to be advocating for a wealth tax anytime soon.

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