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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:45 PM Jun 2014

How much does right-wing rhetoric contribute to right-wing terrorism?

The GOP is just fine with stochastic terrorism. It's exactly the kind of political tool that a party based on hatred of organized government would find appealing.

... when GOP Senator Ron Johnson says that the Affordable Care Act is “the greatest assault on freedom in our lifetime,” and hopes that the Supreme Court will intervene to preserve our “last shred of freedom,” is it at all surprising that some people might be tempted to take up arms? After all, if he’s right, and the ACA really means that freedom is being destroyed, then violent revolution seems justified. Johnson might respond by saying, “Well, of course I didn’t mean that literally.” And I’m sure he didn’t — Johnson may be no rocket scientist, but he knows that despite the individual mandate going into effect, there are a few shreds of freedom remaining in America.

But the argument that no sane person could actually believe many of the things conservatives say shouldn’t absolve them of responsibility. When you broadcast every day that the government of the world’s oldest democracy is a totalitarian beast bent on turning America into a prison of oppression and fear, when you glorify lawbreakers like Cliven Bundy, when you say that your opponents would literally destroy the country if they could, you can’t profess surprise when some people decide that violence is the only means of forestalling the disaster you have warned them about.

To my conservative friends tempted to find outrageous things liberals have said in order to argue that both sides are equally to blame, I’d respond this way: Find me all the examples of people who shot up a church after reading books by Rachel Maddow and Paul Krugman, and then you’ll have a case.

In our recent history, every election of a Democratic president is followed by a rise in conspiracy-obsessed right-wing populism. In the 1960s it was the John Birch Society; in the 1990s it was the militia movement shouting about black UN helicopters, and during the Obama presidency it was the Tea Party. Some of those movements are ultimately harmless, but alongside and around them are people who take their rhetoric seriously and lash out in response. After these killings in Nevada, and the murders at a Jewish community center in Kansas, and the murders at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, and multiple murders by members of the “sovereign citizens” movement in the last few years, it’s worth remembering that since 9/11, right-wing terrorism has killed many more Americans than al Qaeda terrorism.

And I promise you, these murders in Nevada will not be the last. It may be going too far to say that conservative politicians and media figures whose rhetoric has fed the deranged fantasies of terrorists and killers have blood on their hands. But they shouldn’t have a clear conscience, either.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/06/09/how-much-does-right-wing-rhetoric-contribute-to-right-wing-terrorism/
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How much does right-wing rhetoric contribute to right-wing terrorism? (Original Post) phantom power Jun 2014 OP
Remember: "since 9/11, right-wing terrorism has killed many more Americans than al Qaeda terrorism." FSogol Jun 2014 #1
"It may be going too far to say . . ." gratuitous Jun 2014 #2
well that's part of the difference between them and us phantom power Jun 2014 #5
Yes yes. That's an excellent post. Populist_Prole Jun 2014 #9
Conspiracy theories were taboo in the Bush era. CJCRANE Jun 2014 #3
Glenn Beck: "Why Buy A Gun?" then points at Obama photo Scuba Jun 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author justhanginon Jun 2014 #14
You really need to edit this post and clarify your intent. Scuba Jun 2014 #18
Major screw up on my part. I meant Johnson, certainly justhanginon Jun 2014 #34
Glad you changed your post, but ... Scuba Jun 2014 #36
The elected official in the post you replied to is Obama. Your post seems to blame Obama and those tblue37 Jun 2014 #33
See above response. Sorry, my mistake, not very clear. justhanginon Jun 2014 #35
100% ThoughtCriminal Jun 2014 #6
100%. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #7
exactly....n/t prairierose Jun 2014 #28
NAILED IT. Rider3 Jun 2014 #8
"since 9/11, right-wing terrorism has killed many more Americans than al Qaeda terrorism." redqueen Jun 2014 #10
Like his predecessors, Eric Holder has been grossly negligent in this regard. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #11
People are going to keep getting killed until we take domestic terrorism seriously phantom power Jun 2014 #12
Kick. riqster Jun 2014 #13
almost entirely. no Fox, no hate radio means no Tim McVeigh Doctor_J Jun 2014 #15
All terrorism in my estimation is linked inextricably Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #16
Being a Muslim myself, Berlin Expat Jun 2014 #25
Quite a bit, I'd say. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #17
It Is Not Only The Cause, Sir, It Is Intended To Cause The Violence It Does The Magistrate Jun 2014 #19
I've found a direct Sovereign Citizen connection starroute Jun 2014 #20
Rwandan Hate Radio riverwalker Jun 2014 #21
Thank you. I was going to say there are probably some people in Rwanda we could ask about this. nt raccoon Jun 2014 #37
The extremist right-wing gun lobby billh58 Jun 2014 #22
The terrorists are getting wealthy preaching hate, division ,and destruction from our public geretogo Jun 2014 #23
2 words: Der Sturmer. muntrv Jun 2014 #24
in my opinion a lot and fox news bullshit is causing a lot of the killings and massacres. they have samsingh Jun 2014 #26
Boooom!!! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #27
100 %. Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #29
You can't brainwash people without brainwashers (Fox News & others). nt valerief Jun 2014 #30
Yes, Right Wing Radio Talkers and Fox News give Legitimacy to these causes dem in texas Jun 2014 #31
You can't exclude the DU gun nutters, either Glitterati Jun 2014 #32

FSogol

(45,466 posts)
1. Remember: "since 9/11, right-wing terrorism has killed many more Americans than al Qaeda terrorism."
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jun 2014

True dat!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. "It may be going too far to say . . ."
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jun 2014

Not for me. It's time some of these aiders and abettors got some blowback for the monsters they're setting loose on the populace. Maybe if we start making these connections, loudly and publicly, the whackaloons will dial back the rhetoric. But I'm not holding my breath.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
5. well that's part of the difference between them and us
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jun 2014

We're always very, very concerned that we're being unfair, or painting with too broad a brush, or not reaching across the aisle, or making somebody angry, and so on, and so forth.

Conservatives don't give a flying fuck if they're being fair, or over-generalizing, or making liberals upset. To turn a famous quote on its head, conservatives welcome our hatred.

Every year, I'm more and more convinced we need to welcome theirs right back.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
9. Yes yes. That's an excellent post.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jun 2014

You summed it up expertly, and I see plenty of examples of this dynamic with conservatives I know and ones on the air or in print.

I still blame the media, the news media though. It's not journalism anymore; it's filling air time and selling ad time. Language and speech that would be considered outlandish and grossly impolitic is presented as merely one side of a typical "he said.....she said" conversation, or "horse-race" style of news presentation. They're more than willing to give a soapbox to anybody that will fill air time.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
3. Conspiracy theories were taboo in the Bush era.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jun 2014

Alex Jones and Ron Paul were considered "fringe lunatics" of the RW and the GOP.

But then come 2009, and someone flipped a switch and conspiracy theories became mainstream on the right, espoused by corporate media pundits and politicians alike.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. Glenn Beck: "Why Buy A Gun?" then points at Obama photo
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/15/985303/-Glenn-Beck-Why-Buy-A-Gun-then-points-at-Obama-photo

Yet here is is again, blaming Obama again for civil unrest, food shortages, and of threatening to take your guns away. Then he asks his rhetorical question "Why would you get a gun" and guess who pops up on his TV screen but the President and close adviser Cass Sunstein to whom he immediately points with arm outstretched and answers his own question, stating "To prepare for tough times."



Oh, and "Johnson may be no rocket scientist" doesn't begin to plumb the depths of this man's stupidity and ignorance.

Response to Scuba (Reply #4)

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
36. Glad you changed your post, but ...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jun 2014

... it now sounds like Beck's reason to buy a gun is President Johnson, and apparently folks who voted for him. That sounds like you're advocating violence, which is taboo.

Please take another shot at it, or just delete the post.

tblue37

(65,269 posts)
33. The elected official in the post you replied to is Obama. Your post seems to blame Obama and those
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:20 PM - Edit history (1)

of us who voted for him for the violence committed by right wingers.

If that is what you mean, you are probably on the wrong site. If that is *not* what you mean, then you need to take the other poster''s advice and revise your wording to clarify your meaning!

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
10. "since 9/11, right-wing terrorism has killed many more Americans than al Qaeda terrorism."
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jun 2014

Time to shut down the right wing hate machine.

GeorgeGist

(25,315 posts)
11. Like his predecessors, Eric Holder has been grossly negligent in this regard.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jun 2014

It was only last week that he revived the Domestic Terror Task Force that had laid dormant since 9/11/2001.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/attorney-general-eric-holder-revives-domestic-terror-task-force-n121026

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
12. People are going to keep getting killed until we take domestic terrorism seriously
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jun 2014

Plenty of people right here on DU knew that Bundy's insurrection would metastasize when the BLM backed down. It's happened already. And it will happen again.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
16. All terrorism in my estimation is linked inextricably
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:12 PM
Jun 2014

to right wing policies or ideology. I guess neoliberalism might be a driver of terror,, but many right wingers are staunch neoliberals. It is right wing ideology that makes up the ideas of terrorists themselves. Right wing policy drives right wing terrorists.

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
25. Being a Muslim myself,
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jun 2014

I can easily look at Islamic terrorism, which is motivated largely by extreme reactionary forces within the Islamic world who are quite frankly atavists. They represent a retrogressive utopian ideology, and woe and betide to any moderate or liberal Muslim, such as myself, who dares disagree with their narrowly dogmatic and fanatical interpretation of Islam.

Interestingly, many of the sources they use to justify their atrocities are found not in the Qur'an, but in the hadith - a good many of which are of exceedingly dubious veracity. These fundamentalist fanatics have essentially created their own version of Islam, a combination of unreliable or even false hadith with practices from the Time of Ignorance - such as female infanticide, which is strictly prohibited in the Qur'an - and a good deal of the most horrific misogyny imaginable.

These reactionary forces are currently in the midst of a wholesale purge of the Islamic faith, and that purge manifests itself in the most appalling slaughter of those who don't meet their twisted definition of "piety". These are takfiri groups such as al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS, etc. And they aren't planning on stopping their purge anytime soon, sad to say.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
17. Quite a bit, I'd say.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:19 PM
Jun 2014

After all, same was true in the '60s, with violence against Civil Rights workers; a lot of that was stoked by rhetoric from the diehard segregationists and other far-right assholes who blithered their bullshit on the airwaves.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
20. I've found a direct Sovereign Citizen connection
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jun 2014

This page: http://sonsoflibertyonline.org/signed-declaration.php

It's a statement that starts out, "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one sovereign citizen to dissolve the political support which has connected him with that government which has given him protection..."

Jerad Dwain Miller is among the signers. (Fourth line from the bottom.)

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
21. Rwandan Hate Radio
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.rwandanstories.org/genocide/hate_radio.html

Hate radio

Anti-Tutsi articles and graphic cartoons began appearing in the Kangura newspaper from around 1990.
In June 1993 a new radio station called Radio-Television Libre des Mille Collines (RTLMC) began broadcasting in Rwanda…
The station was rowdy and used street language - there were disc jockeys, pop music and phone-ins. Sometimes the announcers were drunk. It was designed to appeal to the unemployed, the delinquents and the gangs of thugs in the militia. “In a largely illiterate population, the radio station soon had a very large audience who found it immensely entertaining.”
Its stated aim was “to create harmonious development in Rwandese society” but nothing could have been further from the truth. It was set up and financed by Hutu extremists to prepare the people of Rwanda for genocide by demonising the Tutsi and encouraging hate and violence.

Some people - including the Belgian ambassador and staff of several aid agencies - recognised the danger and asked for international help in shutting down the broadcasts, but it was impossible to persuade western diplomats to take it seriously. They dismissed the station as a joke.
<More at link>

billh58

(6,635 posts)
22. The extremist right-wing gun lobby
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jun 2014

goes hand-in-hand with right-wing terrorism, and provides them with the "courage" and means to carry out their atrocities.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
23. The terrorists are getting wealthy preaching hate, division ,and destruction from our public
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jun 2014

airways .They are using the 1st and 2nd Amendment to seize control of democratic government for their own
ideology , power, and enrichment for themselves .

samsingh

(17,594 posts)
26. in my opinion a lot and fox news bullshit is causing a lot of the killings and massacres. they have
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:46 PM
Jun 2014

blood on their hands.

dem in texas

(2,673 posts)
31. Yes, Right Wing Radio Talkers and Fox News give Legitimacy to these causes
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:32 PM
Jun 2014

When Sean Hannity has Bundy on his show, that lends an aura of respectability to Bundy's ideas. When R. Limbaugh agrees, these nuts think, "See, I told you so, Rush agrees". I could see this coming and there will be more. Same for the nuts carrying their guns around in Target, one of them is going to shoot somebody sooner or later. The right wing media has blood on its hands.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
32. You can't exclude the DU gun nutters, either
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jun 2014

On Friday, one of our own posted in the thread that this shit happens every day but it didn't use to be on the news, in response to the shooting in Cumming, GA.

right here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025057861#post6

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