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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow much does right-wing rhetoric contribute to right-wing terrorism?
The GOP is just fine with stochastic terrorism. It's exactly the kind of political tool that a party based on hatred of organized government would find appealing.
But the argument that no sane person could actually believe many of the things conservatives say shouldnt absolve them of responsibility. When you broadcast every day that the government of the worlds oldest democracy is a totalitarian beast bent on turning America into a prison of oppression and fear, when you glorify lawbreakers like Cliven Bundy, when you say that your opponents would literally destroy the country if they could, you cant profess surprise when some people decide that violence is the only means of forestalling the disaster you have warned them about.
To my conservative friends tempted to find outrageous things liberals have said in order to argue that both sides are equally to blame, Id respond this way: Find me all the examples of people who shot up a church after reading books by Rachel Maddow and Paul Krugman, and then youll have a case.
In our recent history, every election of a Democratic president is followed by a rise in conspiracy-obsessed right-wing populism. In the 1960s it was the John Birch Society; in the 1990s it was the militia movement shouting about black UN helicopters, and during the Obama presidency it was the Tea Party. Some of those movements are ultimately harmless, but alongside and around them are people who take their rhetoric seriously and lash out in response. After these killings in Nevada, and the murders at a Jewish community center in Kansas, and the murders at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, and multiple murders by members of the sovereign citizens movement in the last few years, its worth remembering that since 9/11, right-wing terrorism has killed many more Americans than al Qaeda terrorism.
And I promise you, these murders in Nevada will not be the last. It may be going too far to say that conservative politicians and media figures whose rhetoric has fed the deranged fantasies of terrorists and killers have blood on their hands. But they shouldnt have a clear conscience, either.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/06/09/how-much-does-right-wing-rhetoric-contribute-to-right-wing-terrorism/
FSogol
(45,466 posts)True dat!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Not for me. It's time some of these aiders and abettors got some blowback for the monsters they're setting loose on the populace. Maybe if we start making these connections, loudly and publicly, the whackaloons will dial back the rhetoric. But I'm not holding my breath.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)We're always very, very concerned that we're being unfair, or painting with too broad a brush, or not reaching across the aisle, or making somebody angry, and so on, and so forth.
Conservatives don't give a flying fuck if they're being fair, or over-generalizing, or making liberals upset. To turn a famous quote on its head, conservatives welcome our hatred.
Every year, I'm more and more convinced we need to welcome theirs right back.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)You summed it up expertly, and I see plenty of examples of this dynamic with conservatives I know and ones on the air or in print.
I still blame the media, the news media though. It's not journalism anymore; it's filling air time and selling ad time. Language and speech that would be considered outlandish and grossly impolitic is presented as merely one side of a typical "he said.....she said" conversation, or "horse-race" style of news presentation. They're more than willing to give a soapbox to anybody that will fill air time.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Alex Jones and Ron Paul were considered "fringe lunatics" of the RW and the GOP.
But then come 2009, and someone flipped a switch and conspiracy theories became mainstream on the right, espoused by corporate media pundits and politicians alike.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Oh, and "Johnson may be no rocket scientist" doesn't begin to plumb the depths of this man's stupidity and ignorance.
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)justhanginon
(3,289 posts)not president Obama. Thanks for saving me.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... it now sounds like Beck's reason to buy a gun is President Johnson, and apparently folks who voted for him. That sounds like you're advocating violence, which is taboo.
Please take another shot at it, or just delete the post.
tblue37
(65,269 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:20 PM - Edit history (1)
of us who voted for him for the violence committed by right wingers.
If that is what you mean, you are probably on the wrong site. If that is *not* what you mean, then you need to take the other poster''s advice and revise your wording to clarify your meaning!
justhanginon
(3,289 posts)Thanks for the heads up.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)give or take 1%.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)prairierose
(2,145 posts)Rider3
(919 posts)Well done.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Time to shut down the right wing hate machine.
GeorgeGist
(25,315 posts)It was only last week that he revived the Domestic Terror Task Force that had laid dormant since 9/11/2001.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/attorney-general-eric-holder-revives-domestic-terror-task-force-n121026
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Plenty of people right here on DU knew that Bundy's insurrection would metastasize when the BLM backed down. It's happened already. And it will happen again.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Period
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)to right wing policies or ideology. I guess neoliberalism might be a driver of terror,, but many right wingers are staunch neoliberals. It is right wing ideology that makes up the ideas of terrorists themselves. Right wing policy drives right wing terrorists.
Berlin Expat
(950 posts)I can easily look at Islamic terrorism, which is motivated largely by extreme reactionary forces within the Islamic world who are quite frankly atavists. They represent a retrogressive utopian ideology, and woe and betide to any moderate or liberal Muslim, such as myself, who dares disagree with their narrowly dogmatic and fanatical interpretation of Islam.
Interestingly, many of the sources they use to justify their atrocities are found not in the Qur'an, but in the hadith - a good many of which are of exceedingly dubious veracity. These fundamentalist fanatics have essentially created their own version of Islam, a combination of unreliable or even false hadith with practices from the Time of Ignorance - such as female infanticide, which is strictly prohibited in the Qur'an - and a good deal of the most horrific misogyny imaginable.
These reactionary forces are currently in the midst of a wholesale purge of the Islamic faith, and that purge manifests itself in the most appalling slaughter of those who don't meet their twisted definition of "piety". These are takfiri groups such as al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS, etc. And they aren't planning on stopping their purge anytime soon, sad to say.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)After all, same was true in the '60s, with violence against Civil Rights workers; a lot of that was stoked by rhetoric from the diehard segregationists and other far-right assholes who blithered their bullshit on the airwaves.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)This page: http://sonsoflibertyonline.org/signed-declaration.php
It's a statement that starts out, "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one sovereign citizen to dissolve the political support which has connected him with that government which has given him protection..."
Jerad Dwain Miller is among the signers. (Fourth line from the bottom.)
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Hate radio
Anti-Tutsi articles and graphic cartoons began appearing in the Kangura newspaper from around 1990.
In June 1993 a new radio station called Radio-Television Libre des Mille Collines (RTLMC) began broadcasting in Rwanda
The station was rowdy and used street language - there were disc jockeys, pop music and phone-ins. Sometimes the announcers were drunk. It was designed to appeal to the unemployed, the delinquents and the gangs of thugs in the militia. In a largely illiterate population, the radio station soon had a very large audience who found it immensely entertaining.
Its stated aim was to create harmonious development in Rwandese society but nothing could have been further from the truth. It was set up and financed by Hutu extremists to prepare the people of Rwanda for genocide by demonising the Tutsi and encouraging hate and violence.
Some people - including the Belgian ambassador and staff of several aid agencies - recognised the danger and asked for international help in shutting down the broadcasts, but it was impossible to persuade western diplomats to take it seriously. They dismissed the station as a joke.
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raccoon
(31,106 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)goes hand-in-hand with right-wing terrorism, and provides them with the "courage" and means to carry out their atrocities.
geretogo
(1,281 posts)airways .They are using the 1st and 2nd Amendment to seize control of democratic government for their own
ideology , power, and enrichment for themselves .
muntrv
(14,505 posts)samsingh
(17,594 posts)blood on their hands.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)K&R
hack89
(39,171 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)dem in texas
(2,673 posts)When Sean Hannity has Bundy on his show, that lends an aura of respectability to Bundy's ideas. When R. Limbaugh agrees, these nuts think, "See, I told you so, Rush agrees". I could see this coming and there will be more. Same for the nuts carrying their guns around in Target, one of them is going to shoot somebody sooner or later. The right wing media has blood on its hands.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)On Friday, one of our own posted in the thread that this shit happens every day but it didn't use to be on the news, in response to the shooting in Cumming, GA.
right here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025057861#post6