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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGeorge F. Will: being raped grants one a "coveted status that confers privileges"
There aren't enough facepalms in the world. He really says so here: http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-college-become-the-victims-of-progressivism/2014/06/06/e90e73b4-eb50-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html
My rant:TRIGGER WARNING
Got that? Being victimized is to be coveted, because it gets you special privileges. Wow. Guess I had it all wrong.
Who knew that when those adult males brutally molested me as a child, making me bleed and causing health issues that still persist after half a fucking century, that it was a coveted privilege? And here I thought they were disgusting violent criminal perverts. Wow.
And who knew that when a school counselor suspected what was going on, asked about it, and the bastards then raped my mouth so savagely that I required surgery (cause written down as running with a Popsicle stick in my mouth), that I was lucky, nay, blessed with such an exalted status? I thought they were torturing me to shut me up. Silly me.
Why, they were benefactors if you ask Mr. Will. Yes, benign and benevolent men they were, raping little kids so as to help us along in life by giving us access to the privileges that come with being the survivors of violent assault.
Yes, on campus or off, male or female, in Wills mind we are all of us hot after getting the shit raped out of us, so we can get them thar privilege things. Yupyupyup.
Why, it makes one wonder, why George Fucking Will doesnt hurry on out to get himself raped? Sheesh, hes missing out.
mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)they should fire his ass, pronto.
riqster
(13,986 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)GP6971
(31,018 posts)Fat chance he'll be fired, let alone reprimmaned. Asshole to the 10th degree.
ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)George Will: Focus On Rape Has Made 'Victimhood A Coveted Status'
George Will on Friday became the latest conservative pundit to attempt to debunk sexual assault statistics, arguing that universities' efforts to address campus rape have made "victimhood a coveted status."
In a column for the Washington Post, Will argues that universities are basing their definition of sexual assault on a "Washington" education, which is leading to inflated statistics.
They are learning that when they say campus victimizations are ubiquitous ('micro-aggressions,' often not discernible to the untutored eye, are everywhere), and that when they make victimhood a coveted status that confers privileges, victims proliferate," he wrote.
Will offers an anecdote from a student at Swarthmore College, in which a woman reported a rape after a former sexual partner wouldn't take no for an answer. Will implies that because the incident occurred "with a guy with whom shed been hooking up for three months," she wasn't sexually assaulted.
"I just kind of laid there and didnt do anything I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep," the woman wrote about the encounter.
"Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped," Will wrote about the Swarthmore student. "Now the Obama administration is riding to the rescue of 'sexual assault' victims. It vows to excavate equities from the ambiguities of the hookup culture, this cocktail of hormones, alcohol and the faux sophistication of todays prolonged adolescence of especially privileged young adults."
The conservative columnist then disputed certain aspects of the definition of sexual assault.
"Combine this with capacious definitions of sexual assault that can include not only forcible sexual penetration but also nonconsensual touching. Then add the doctrine that the consent of a female who has been drinking might not protect a male from being found guilty of rape," he wrote. "Then comes costly litigation against institutions that have denied due process to males they accuse of what society considers serious felonies."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-will-sexual-assault-statistics
riqster
(13,986 posts)Thence the rant. Thanks for posting here.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Small chance that it will do any good, but ya never know.
bluesbassman
(19,310 posts)Well I suppose there are "capacious definitions" George because there are infinite ways in which sexual assault can occur. What a POS. If the WP had any integrity at all, they would denounce this blathering idiot and terminate any association with him. I won't hold my breath.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Pun intended, humor not.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)That it broke up a marriage for one and helped the other have a drinking problem must be the prizes conferred. George Will is a pencil dick ass hat.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Seriously, my heart goes out to them. And those who love them.
CTyankee
(63,773 posts)and they wonder why they have a problem with women voters...
ananda
(28,783 posts)Just sick.
riqster
(13,986 posts)That, if you like, is even sicker.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)As in "the least batshit crazy one".
Ah, the good old days...
riqster
(13,986 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)BTW, riqster, I am so, so, sorry that stuff happened to you.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I do a lot of advocacy and outreach too, which is even better for all concerned. Helping others get through it is a hugely healing experience.
So is yelling at rape apologists like Will.
Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #14)
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Skidmore
(37,364 posts)always leave me wondering about their own life experiences. How have they treated others?
riqster
(13,986 posts)Certainly they lack even a moiety of empathy.
CTyankee
(63,773 posts)clothes on the front lawn of their house with a sign that said "take it somewhere else, mister."
gotta love it!
riqster
(13,986 posts)CTyankee
(63,773 posts)just the thought of him naked is pretty nauseating...
Beacool
(30,244 posts)It doesn't matter if the woman is your girlfriend or wife, it doesn't matter if she's laying naked next to you, it doesn't matter how many times you may have had sex in the past. If the woman says no, and you force yourself on her, then you've just committed rape.
Now, is that too hard to comprehend?
riqster
(13,986 posts)Anyone who tries to make it complex has an agenda.
OnlinePoker
(5,702 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)I have gay friends who have gone through what some women have experienced.
japple
(9,773 posts)NOT asking to be raped. What about this subject do people not understand?? Sexual forcing of oneself on another is RAPE.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)People seem to want to blame the victim. If she hadn't been out late at night. If she hadn't worn revealing clothes. If she hadn't drunk too much. If, if, if............
How about men controlling themselves? I give most men a little more credit than assuming that they are animals that only know how to follow their instincts. It's insulting to both genders.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I have always thought he was clueless, but this just demonstrates his complete lack of empathy and utter stupidity.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Or if he got worse over time.
FSogol
(45,363 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)FSogol
(45,363 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Motherfucker's been in on the Powell Memo and its implementation from the git.
FSogol
(45,363 posts)How fucked up is that?
riqster
(13,986 posts)TBF
(31,922 posts)he has always been this bad. Nasty conservative asshole.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Seeing how disgusting he is, I may need to start. I heard about this column of his via a FOAF.
TBF
(31,922 posts)I was still getting hard-copy of those when I lived in the east coast along with NYT on the weekend. He's got to be pretty old by now.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)You are a fucking idiot, so Just. Shut. Up. That is all.
Love,
Brigid
2naSalit
(86,074 posts)That POS needs to just STFU and fade away.
riqster
(13,986 posts)2naSalit
(86,074 posts)give him the well deserved shove is the obvious next step.
riqster
(13,986 posts)2naSalit
(86,074 posts)AZ Mike
(468 posts)....'Lucky Ducky' treatment.
What a damned sicko.
riqster
(13,986 posts)liberalmuse
(18,670 posts)that this is one of the dumbest things they've ever read. The fact that he is given a public forum that most of us could never gain access to (too much money for that sort of "free speech" in order to express his idiotic and unenlightened views is another thing altogether.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Tells us that there are powerful people who WANT his message promulgated.
Scary, that is.
liberalmuse
(18,670 posts)But we know that those societies that keep their women oppressed are the same societies were only a very few will ever benefit, and where most continue to be in survival mode, enduring all manner of indignities from the few "powers that be" in order to ensure they and those who depend on them get through another day.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Lars39
(26,093 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)"Thank you for taking the time to send us your feedback. We value the opinions of all our readers and have sent your comments to the appropriate department."
Well, they obviously took me seriously...
Lars39
(26,093 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:40 AM - Edit history (1)
will make a difference.
Initech
(99,915 posts)And something they appear to know nothing about, apparently.
riqster
(13,986 posts)struggle4progress
(118,041 posts)it just causes brain damage
riqster
(13,986 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)About accusing males...yeah, because false rape reports are just so common and there's no system in place to protect the accused. Oh, wait....
riqster ... I am glad you survived. I wish I knew what to say. What men do to women....and the way it's minimized...I just....it makes me speechless.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Thanks for your kind words. As a male rape survivor, I occupy a strange place: one who is simultaneously the beneficiary of patriarchy, and one who has felt its boot on my neck. It makes me a very vocal feminist ally.
There are a very few women who throw abuse at men like me: claiming we should be silent about our struggle, that it is anathema for men to speak of the evil that men do to men. Only one on DU that I have encountered, thank the Gods.
In truth, one such as myself can see more clearly the devil that lives in every human soul. And with that knowledge comes the realization that each of us must fight and defeat that demon if we are ever to evolve.
I fight first the devil within myself. With such energy as remains, I fight the devils in men like George Will.
Thanks again for your kind words.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)and that changes my words not one whit.
doesn't change my sentiments either. You survived pure evil sickness; not only survived, but you fight to soar beyond that dark place, and help others to do so too. You are heroic.
Yes, fighting the devils inside is first, and it does take a lot of energy.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Too often we allow those in power to divide us; or come up with divisions of our own. My big takeaway from the 60's and 70's was and is the realization that unity is possible.
But not without one helluva lot of struggle.
Good on you for the work you do, and the positive energy you spread.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)This upset me. I am sorry for cursing.
riqster
(13,986 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts)..... reminds me of Newt Gingrich more and more as each year passes by. Making grand "out of the box" pronouncements that herald not a fresh insight into a problem, but a twisted apologia for evil.
riqster
(13,986 posts)"A twisted apologia for evil". Damn, that is concise.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Goddamn, has he no decency?
riqster
(13,986 posts)spanone
(135,637 posts)go away and do some soul searching. your soul is deceased.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Dammit.
madamesilverspurs
(15,784 posts)Exactly how many of my classmates rushed to "covet my status" after my assailant knocked out one of my teeth and broke four more, blackened both eyes and gave me a concussion?
Or are you, sir, possibly related to the responding police officer who assumed that I had eyes in the back of my head so that I could see the guy sneaking up on me, cueing me to do something seductive to provoke him?
You can take your opinion, "sir", and put it back in that dark smelly place from which you derived it.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Rape survivors are shamed & blamed regardless of age and gender.
TiredOfNo
(52 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)(P.S., on behalf of all of us, welcome to DU! )
riqster
(13,986 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)grants one a "coveted status that confers privileges."
Gad, I detest that man.
riqster
(13,986 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I guess he thinks he's taking the "opposite tack" against Kerry's speech?
What a stupid, stupid man. I'll stand with Jimmy Carter and condemn the utter mendacity of that shitbird.
riqster
(13,986 posts)3catwoman3
(23,820 posts)...must make him the lead contender for this year's "Todd Akin/Richard Mourdock Dumb Dick Award." Good grief.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Sic semper assholus, or something like that.
Rex
(65,616 posts)is blown out of the water whenever he writes an article like this and reveals he is just another revolting, male troglodyte that doesn't give three shits about the female gender. His casual dismissal of rape victims, earns him a front row seat in Hell.
I repeat, GEORGE WILL IS A KNOW NOTHING PIECE OF SHIT.
riqster
(13,986 posts)"Brimstone Burns: a Comedy in 17,000,000 Acts", starring G. F. Will as the Burning Man in Hell.
Has a nice ring to it, methinks.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe he can get the role as the Human Torch.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Singing....
Wait for it...
....
"Torch" songs!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)But I found a death metal band that wants to try!
MrScorpio
(73,626 posts)What the fuck?
riqster
(13,986 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)He's just fortunate that he lives in a time when that isn't a liability but a lucrative career path.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Only reason not to do so? Because his column was a monstrous fucking lie.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)is that he is using an example where it is considered rape in some states (eg California) in the Union based on the scenario described (No means no). Trigger warnings make no sense if college is supposed to be about critical thinking, open debate, and trying to understand all view points. Overall, his opinion piece is a jumbled mess of trying to attack liberals in a scattershot manner with little focus. Had he made his opinion piece revolve around trigger warnings and how it has no place in higher education institutions trying to teach young adults to see the world in shades of grays instead of black and white it would make logical sense.
bullwinkle428
(20,627 posts)in today's society, then I don't know what else I can do. He knows exactly who his audience is.
riqster
(13,986 posts)yellowcanine
(35,692 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)yellowcanine
(35,692 posts)And they might gain a few subscribers by giving him the boot.
riqster
(13,986 posts)T2-
(9 posts)It would seem that G. Will would take the old joke " If women are so good at multitasking, why can't they have a head ache and
sex at the same time ? ", and try to apply it as creditable defense for forcing oneself upon another.
Even in marriage, because the wife has said " I do " the crime of marital rape can not be out of hand negated..
Will is writing to his "base" readership..
riqster
(13,986 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)people who still retain at least a shred of sanity. Meanwhile, I don't see a single reason to buy Wapo or use its website, as long as they continue to give this %$@* a platform and a paycheck.
I just can't remember the last time I or anyone I know, male or female, coveted being raped.
Anyone know who sponsors Will?
riqster
(13,986 posts)I sent the WaPo a nastygram, but am not sure who Will's specific sponsors may be.
A good thought, worth researching.
merrily
(45,251 posts)However, this is a lesson to me. From now on, I am going to write down the advertisers of every show I watch on TV, just to have handy in case. I strongly urge that we all do the same.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I'm in.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's pretty much the only language they speak anyway.
Follow the money.
Good advice in the Watergate Era and even better advice in 2014.
Glad you're in.
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)manage to surpass my wildest expectations.
I normally advocate non-violence in all things ... but right now I wanna kick his ass. I just don't know what else to say or feel about it right now. I'll post again when I regain coherency.
Trav
riqster
(13,986 posts)Had it been written right away, I'd be in the company of those "nice young men in their clean white coats", I imagine. Or the boys in blue.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)TygrBright
(20,733 posts)And when I say "well done" I mean "done to a crisp."
But keep exposing the extreme, cruel, power-obsessed nature of the right wing in America today.
Keep it up, I say.
There are still a good many people not taking it seriously enough, and they need the wake up call.
So...
LOUDER, WILL!
incitefully,
Bright
riqster
(13,986 posts)"Incitefully", brilliant!
robbob
(3,514 posts)All my sympathies. I also experienced sexual abuse as a child and I know how it changes you forever.
I hope you are dealing with it and that your abusers were confronted and punished at some point. May they rot in hell.
riqster
(13,986 posts)All my abuse happened in a small town in the early 60's, so nothing was done.
The perps are long dead, and I do hope they faced an accounting in the afterlife.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)And in a related note, why should people who've been shot receive medical care? I mean, what does one thing have to do with the other?
aquart
(69,014 posts)After 2 men dragged her to a rooftop and raped her. The old one was really not usable after that.
riqster
(13,986 posts)demigoddess
(6,640 posts)were raped or molested by men in their families when they were children. Yeah, they never told a soul except another woman or two and they reaped all that exalted status. Most three year olds think that way!!!! Please, Dear God, could I get to be in a room all alone with this man long enough to break his knees, ankles and a few other bones???? Please!!!
riqster
(13,986 posts)I DID tell someone, thence the emergency oral surgery. Last time I did that, you can imagine.
Such an exalted status, indeed. Will needs to understand human suffering, because clearly he hasn't a clue about it at present.
catrose
(5,050 posts)Details change; the horror remains the same.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I mean, how can a human being actually think that kind of bullshit? I can't fathom it.
Leme
(1,092 posts)followed by:
"And academias progressivism has rendered it intellectually defenseless now that progressivisms achievement, the regulatory state, has decided it is academias turn to be broken to governments saddle. "
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I think he is saying that the colleges started something and now have Washington making guesstimates on what is occurring and there are resultant actions.
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He makes weak and vague reference to "when they make victimhood a coveted status that confers privileges, victims proliferate"
riqster
(13,986 posts)Read that snip again: he is blaming this "problem" on people like us, who think like us.
Just another culture warrior, like Mao's wife, or Pat Buchanan, Stalin or Khomeini.
Leme
(1,092 posts)and their doings ( and people also) got the exposure... yielding government response ( with questionable numbers according to will)
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a reap what you sow with unintended consequences
riqster
(13,986 posts)I think he's attempting to blame progressivism as a whole along with the colleges.
I could be wrong, of course.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)have been phucking him in his ass, which he covets cause he gets special priveleges - more phucking in the ass
riqster
(13,986 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)coveted status for children butchered in schools by deranged gunmen, coveted status for blacks that were lynched or enslaved, status for soldiers killed in corporate wars, status for West Virginians and others being poisoned by fracking , status for the homeless - the list could go on. George has hit the motherlode with his coveted status thinking.
riqster
(13,986 posts)LoisB
(7,079 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)I think he just exposed himself to very serious in-depth investigation of this aspect of his life. I'm so close to certainty that he's likely to be a rapist himself, because this kind of attitude is manifested in deep denial with this absurd, twisted, perverted rationalization.
I hope his victims come forward en masse following this publication.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Whether or not he's actually raped anyone, his writing certainly shows a high degree of tolerance for such crimes.
2banon
(7,321 posts)The attitude conveyed in his 'commentary' suggests in part, tacit approval for the act of rape, while at the same time demonizing victims of rape. A typical attitude of perpetrators of violence/rape against women. I'm hoping women who have the resources get on the story asap. Setting aside the likelihood that he is rapist himself, this bullshit has to be called out for what it is and expose the bastard for what he is. it would please me to no end, to see George put in a situation where he was the victim, then have his own words put to him in the public square.
riqster
(13,986 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)What a worthless sack of shit.