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kentuck

(111,056 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:29 PM Jun 2014

Would you prefer an older person or a younger person for President?

Some people say Jerry Brown is too old to run for President. Some say Hillary will be too old to run in a couple of years. And Joe Biden will be too old to run.

I don't know about this? I have thought about it and I believe there is something to be said for the wisdom that comes with age and the experience that one has lived.

I think the American people are missing a lot if they choose a leader that has no memory of the Vietnam War or the "Sixties" experience. Those who formed their political opinions from the Ronald Reagan presidency forward are lacking a lot, in my opinion.

For example, Marco Rubio is a very young man to run for President. What does he remember and how has his political philosophy been formed?

Of course, eventually, youth will be served. It always is.

But at this point in our history, I think there are problems that are best addressed by someone that is older with institutional memory of our government policies.

With some thought, I believe we will be better served with an older President this time around.

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Would you prefer an older person or a younger person for President? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2014 OP
don't care as long as it is a Democrat OKNancy Jun 2014 #1
K & R Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #35
I think it should be someone young, progressive, and with a deep grasp of tech and science Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #2
liberal, democratic and competent. After that I do not care rurallib Jun 2014 #3
Same here Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #11
Yup! FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #38
A better person. KamaAina Jun 2014 #4
From philosophy: kentuck Jun 2014 #6
I don't actually care, as long as they're old enough to pass the Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #5
Depends on who it is Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #7
people have different experiences in life including those who lived the same years JI7 Jun 2014 #8
Age shouldn't matter as much as leadership that upholds the Constitution and holds all Americans ancianita Jun 2014 #9
Perhaps... kentuck Jun 2014 #10
Just someone who is willing say FU to Wall Street, the 1% and their money Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #12
Bernie cannot do it unless he has help... kentuck Jun 2014 #14
Of course. Any president with historical memory should build a cabinet with no corporate conflicts ancianita Jun 2014 #13
Yep. kentuck Jun 2014 #16
We won't. Because where "approval" comes from to even get enough money to run a campaign is part ancianita Jun 2014 #18
Damn! kentuck Jun 2014 #21
Public money is a David v. Goliath game that we haven't won yet and never will. ancianita Jun 2014 #25
It is truly an individual "thing" etherealtruth Jun 2014 #15
No absolutes. I will judge candidates on a case-by-case basis. Throd Jun 2014 #17
Yes. H2O Man Jun 2014 #19
:-) kentuck Jun 2014 #24
That's a big one. H2O Man Jun 2014 #30
Obama was young and I voted for him. Age is not B Calm Jun 2014 #20
But... kentuck Jun 2014 #22
but Jerry Brown is no Ronald Reagan. . B Calm Jun 2014 #28
As long as he/she is progressive I don't care. nt TBF Jun 2014 #23
I would rather see an older President. btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #26
Age shouldn't matter, Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #27
For me, it all depends on the person. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #29
Which one? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #31
I want a smart progressive who is strong enough to stand up to the GOP Warpy Jun 2014 #32
Assuming the inevitable doesn't happen I can see your point loyalsister Jun 2014 #33
You make some good points... kentuck Jun 2014 #36
As a member of the 'Baby Boomer' generation ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #34
a liberal. Full Stop. DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #37
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
4. A better person.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jun 2014

I don't give a crap about the age of my potential partners. (other than being over 18 ) Why should I give a crap how old the President is?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
5. I don't actually care, as long as they're old enough to pass the
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jun 2014

Constitutional requirement. I just want someone who will not continue to impose trickle-down, benefit the plutocrats almost entirely and give a few extra crumbs to the peasants economics upon us. Social issues seem to be on a roll at the state level, so let's see the federal gov't actually address income and (more importantly) wealth inequality as it is adversely affecting the country.

ancianita

(35,951 posts)
9. Age shouldn't matter as much as leadership that upholds the Constitution and holds all Americans
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jun 2014

-- bankers, racketeers, intel agencies, fake 401(c) 4's, tax dodgers, corporate personhoods, voter suppressionists, dominionists, lobbyists, police, generals -- through an aggressive DOJ, accountable before constitutional law.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
10. Perhaps...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jun 2014

No one person is really equipped to do the job. They need like-minded assistance to really get things done that need to be done. For example, FDR probably could never have gotten anything close to the New Deal passed if he had not had people like Frances Perkins and Harry Hopkins working with him. He had a Cabinet that held a similar philosophy. Perhaps that is what we need?

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
12. Just someone who is willing say FU to Wall Street, the 1% and their money
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jun 2014

Bill Clinton did not do it, Obama did not do it, Hillary WILL not do it

Bernie is about the only one who would.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
14. Bernie cannot do it unless he has help...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jun 2014

He would need a Cabinet that agreed with his agenda. He would need a House of Representatives to pass his ideas into law. He would need a Senate to approve it. Even then, he would have to fight a very right-wing, partisan Supreme Court.

But first, the seed needs to be planted...

ancianita

(35,951 posts)
13. Of course. Any president with historical memory should build a cabinet with no corporate conflicts
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jun 2014

of interest, an aggressive DOJ and a quality review and budget overhaul every governmental department.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
16. Yep.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jun 2014

It's easy for us to say but it is difficult to find a leader to run for the Presidency who is not tied to the Washington establishment, who is not making millions off the talk circuit and Wall Street, who is not working for some huge conglomerate as a lobbyist. Or who is not working with the Defense Department, as a retired General or a decorated hero. Or who is not a tool of the corporations that run this country.

Unless we find someone different, I don't know if we will ever make this country more equitable or more democratic?

ancianita

(35,951 posts)
18. We won't. Because where "approval" comes from to even get enough money to run a campaign is part
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jun 2014

and parcel of the whole leadership problem that we ourselves cannot solve.

We're stuck in a totalitarian state in which the rich buy their hostile security forces and know how to use them.

I'm feeling lately that we're past the point of no return, because I don't think even a landslide vote for a promising progressive will result in reining in the MIIC.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
21. Damn!
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jun 2014

So long as money is free speech, we are screwed!

It would only defeat our purpose if we tried to raise more money than the other side, because the same people would end up with the money anyway. So, I do not see that as an option?

In some way or other, we need to educate people about what is happening politically around them so they are not screwed by the 1%.

"The point of no return"? I have felt the same way at times.

We need an "education" crusade. And then we would need a strategy to put it into place? We could only do that under "democratic" rules. We would need a House and Senate that would pass the laws. We would need a President and Cabinet that were working from the same page.

Will we ever reign in the MIC?? I don't know.

ancianita

(35,951 posts)
25. Public money is a David v. Goliath game that we haven't won yet and never will.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

Strategies are out there that don't include or need us. Right now, my hopes are low.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
15. It is truly an individual "thing"
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:11 PM
Jun 2014

Give me someone bright, dynamic and effective .... that shares my core values ... they will get my vote.

There are benefits to youth and benefits to age

H2O Man

(73,513 posts)
30. That's a big one.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jun 2014

At least for me. Dead guys like Reagan and Cheney shouldn't have been president. Same thing for mentally dead guys like George W. Bush.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
20. Obama was young and I voted for him. Age is not
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jun 2014

that big a deal for me as long as they are not in their 70's. I'm reminded of Reagan and what a disaster he turned out to be.

btrflykng9

(287 posts)
26. I would rather see an older President.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

I'd like to see one who has lived through the 60s and the Vietnam War and also, one who was educated in the more reliable school systems of the past.

I'd be thrilled to get a President who is competent to do the job rather than one everyone would like to have a beer with.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
27. Age shouldn't matter,
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

but a firm grasp of history should. As you say, American history shouldn't begin at Reagan.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,615 posts)
31. Which one?
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jun 2014

Age is not especially important unless the person is either too young to have any useful experience (the Constitution requires a president to be at least 35) or too old to be healthy enough for the job. If a qualified person is within that very broad range I really don't think it should be an issue.

Warpy

(111,175 posts)
32. I want a smart progressive who is strong enough to stand up to the GOP
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jun 2014

and get things done. Anything else is a bunch of jackass trivia.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
33. Assuming the inevitable doesn't happen I can see your point
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jun 2014

There is certainly something to be said for wisdom. But, "a leader that has no memory of the Vietnam War or the "Sixties" experience" is eventually all that will be available. I think that was probably said about WWII as well.

With the exception of Reagan vs. Carter, in every election over the past 50 + years when there was a significant age difference the younger candidate has won. I don't think that's an accident, and I doubt the Republicans haven't noticed.

I would love to see Hillary as president, but the experiences of my parents, grandparents, their friends, and now that I am getting older- myself tell me that there is a risk of losing the best qualities in a president too soon if the president isn't in optimal physical\mental form.

FDR died in office, Woodrow Wilson had a stroke, and Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimers. Our minds and bodies naturally decline with age. What good does wisdom do if the expression is thwarted or limited?

Institutional memory, experience, and wisdom are definitely desirable qualities. I think that wisdom and awareness of institutional memory are qualities available to younger candidates who are studious and have taken the time to listen and learn. And, people can gain a great deal of valuable experience in their youth. For example, I believe Obama's experience as a community organizer has been an asset.

I think there is something to be said for being practical about the ordinary undesirable facts of life. I knew a woman who lived to be 97. By the time she was in her mid 70s, she was exhausted and wanted to enjoy the time she had left. I have a hard time understanding why a person would want to take on such a grueling job when they could finally slow down. Hillary and Biden have served our country well. I would think they deserve to finally rest.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
36. You make some good points...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jun 2014

I have thought about this: "there is a risk of losing the best qualities in a president too soon if the president isn't in optimal physical\mental form."

Being President takes a toll. It can be a very demanding job.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
37. a liberal. Full Stop.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:20 PM
Jun 2014

If a peanut butter and jelly sandwich can vote for getting us out of war and restoring taxes on the rich to historical levels (like the 90's) than it will have my vote.

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