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My 16 year old daughter just told me the following
When a black person shoots 6 people, he's called a thug.
When a brown person shoots 6 people, he's called a terrorist.
When a white person shoots 6 people, because he can't get laid, he's called a misunderstood teenager with mental issues.
WOW!
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)We should expect uncivilized people of color to want to kill people. But, it is inherently uncharacteristic for white people. Therefore, they must be too flawed (mentally ill) to truly be a part of our club.
That belief is so ingrained in American culture that rhetoric built around it is accepted without question.
calimary
(81,207 posts)Clearly they're not able to function in polite society without guns and ammo strung all over their chests and down their backs. I call that uncivilized. Pure 'n' simple. AND ANTI-SOCIAL AS HELL!!!!!!!!!!
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)LoisB
(7,199 posts)TeamPooka
(24,220 posts)Response to TeamPooka (Reply #4)
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justhanginon
(3,289 posts)calimary
(81,207 posts)who is able to see through the bullshit. Good to know they're out there!
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)are being minimumized in the way your daughter presents her theory. His mental issues are being duscussed, but I think that is true for most of the recent shooters.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)Newtown, Santa Barbara, Columbine, Aurora theater shooter ... were all considered teenagers (or early 20's) with mental issues, each could easily be considered a terrorist.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Obviously, I meant Santa Barbara.
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)You stated "... His mental issues are being duscussed, but I think that is true for most of the recent shooters. ..."
Why isn't the mental issues being discussed about black or brown shooters? They are instantly labeled thug or terrorist.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)aggiesal
(8,910 posts)If the Santa Barbara killer were black, they would simply say that he was a thug, grew up in a bad household and be done with it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)MSM got a little burned on its reporting of this when their Narrative on weapon choice was revealed to be incorrect. No mention of thuggery.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)-- at least that's what some of them call themselves.
Straw Man
(6,622 posts)... and not solely on race. No one called Aaron Alexis, the Washington Navy Yard shooter, a "thug." He was an adult who had held a responsible job. His mental health was extensively discussed.
IronLionZion
(45,421 posts)its largely ignored by conservative media and quickly forgotten by the next day. No endless articles and blog posts about anything at all. Not mental illness, not policy, not gun control, not race or gender, nothing.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)but I see your point. When a woman is involved, or a black man using a shotgun (Naval Yard), the MSM Narrative of some off-the-wall-white boy with alienation "issues" and an Assault Weapon gets disrupted.
I remember just after the Navy Yard shootings, my googling revealed a list of newz sources proclaiming an "assault weapon" was used. Next day, the corrections flooded in: The weapon was a hoary Remington pump shotgun. Massive, embarassing short circuit to the Narrative.
IronLionZion
(45,421 posts)but I have noticed a big difference in how this was covered. I thought this was a game changer, but we've mostly heard nothing from the right on this matter in any sort of context. I don't believe they can spin this one so they choose to ignore it.
It's a scary thought to think that people who look like most people might decide to randomly murder Americans on American soil for political reasons in public places like restaurants and shops. It's too scary for many so they would rather not think about it at all. That would cause panic, and possibly bad consequences.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)closer scrutiny of ALL mass killers; their memberships, voter registration, shit house wall manifestos, etc. The far right has already made the case that most mass murderers lean left or Democratic. That argument sourcing can't be done on DU, lest one suffer a "hide." Maybe this is the stuff which should, as my folks used to say, "remain in the family."
The "game changing" predicted with any of these shootings depends on MSM coverage, and it has been on the whole, massive. MSM has been and remains (even in its weakened less-influential state) rather stridently pro gun-control. But it still has not changed much.
IMO, respectfully, hopes for a "game change" in gun control politics reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the American people, the role of guns in U.S. History & culture, and of the extent of grass roots organization that pro-2A people have: It is enormous, self-funded, sophisticated, and quick to act. But this big fact remains: The big majority of Americans believe the Second protects an individual RKBA, and at least 80,000,000 of them have the motivation to obtain guns.
Liz_Estrada
(56 posts)that you believe the RW BS that most recent mass shooters are liberal/Democratic? And hence we should be afraid of discussing it "in the family"?
For debunking of the RW BS, please see
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-idea-that-recent-mass-shooters-are-mostly-registered-democrats-is-a-myth
(Sorry, i haven't been able to copy and paste the link directly from my 'ancient' phone.)
I have rarely posted in all my years on DU, but I couldn't let this inaccuracy/outright lie/delusion go by without a response.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Publicize as you wish. Just be aware that the politics of mass murder will be seen as a can of worms to be used & abused throughout the innertubes.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)weetie
(18 posts)except it's only when white people do it that the NRA comes out and STILL says guns aren't the issue. they fall silent for the others