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aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 06:48 PM Jun 2014

The difference between shooters ...

My 16 year old daughter just told me the following

When a black person shoots 6 people, he's called a thug.
When a brown person shoots 6 people, he's called a terrorist.
When a white person shoots 6 people, because he can't get laid, he's called a misunderstood teenager with mental issues.

WOW!

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The difference between shooters ... (Original Post) aggiesal Jun 2014 OP
She nailed it loyalsister Jun 2014 #1
But that's what these particular "lovely" white folks are. Uncivilized. calimary Jun 2014 #7
Smart kid! Ruby the Liberal Jun 2014 #2
Very perceptive 16-year old. LoisB Jun 2014 #3
#goodparenting TeamPooka Jun 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jun 2014 #8
Wow is right, a young lady wise beyond her years. n/t justhanginon Jun 2014 #5
Tell her thank you from this worried mom! Another very smart and discerning young woman calimary Jun 2014 #6
I'm not certain the LB shooter's actions Jenoch Jun 2014 #9
What LB shooter? ... aggiesal Jun 2014 #11
I got my southern California cities confused. Jenoch Jun 2014 #12
OK, thanks. But I think you proved the point ... aggiesal Jun 2014 #13
Could it be becUse of the motivations behind the various shootings? Jenoch Jun 2014 #14
No, it's because of the color of their skin. ... aggiesal Jun 2014 #15
Straw Man #16 has a diff. take. I recall it that way, too. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #20
-- sometimes the white people are called Patriots! Hoppy Jun 2014 #10
I think it depends on age and background too ... Straw Man Jun 2014 #16
When a RW extremist white woman and man shoot 3 "good guys with guns" IronLionZion Jun 2014 #17
Might have to wait a few days to get more b.g., Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #18
I suppose its always good to wait for more accurate info IronLionZion Jun 2014 #19
To dwell on the politics of these murderers is to invite Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #21
Are you implying Liz_Estrada Jun 2014 #24
Not implying anything at all. It is the RW's contention. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #25
Wow indeed. This kind of oversimplified thinking is disturbing. Bonx Jun 2014 #22
And the sad thing is if she posted that on a Yahoo news story she would get death threats. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #23
very observant samsingh Jun 2014 #26
she's got it, alright. weetie Jun 2014 #27

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
1. She nailed it
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jun 2014

We should expect uncivilized people of color to want to kill people. But, it is inherently uncharacteristic for white people. Therefore, they must be too flawed (mentally ill) to truly be a part of our club.
That belief is so ingrained in American culture that rhetoric built around it is accepted without question.

calimary

(81,207 posts)
7. But that's what these particular "lovely" white folks are. Uncivilized.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

Clearly they're not able to function in polite society without guns and ammo strung all over their chests and down their backs. I call that uncivilized. Pure 'n' simple. AND ANTI-SOCIAL AS HELL!!!!!!!!!!

Response to TeamPooka (Reply #4)

calimary

(81,207 posts)
6. Tell her thank you from this worried mom! Another very smart and discerning young woman
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jun 2014

who is able to see through the bullshit. Good to know they're out there!

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
9. I'm not certain the LB shooter's actions
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jun 2014

are being minimumized in the way your daughter presents her theory. His mental issues are being duscussed, but I think that is true for most of the recent shooters.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
11. What LB shooter? ...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:56 PM
Jun 2014

Newtown, Santa Barbara, Columbine, Aurora theater shooter ... were all considered teenagers (or early 20's) with mental issues, each could easily be considered a terrorist.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
13. OK, thanks. But I think you proved the point ...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:54 PM
Jun 2014

You stated "... His mental issues are being duscussed, but I think that is true for most of the recent shooters. ..."

Why isn't the mental issues being discussed about black or brown shooters? They are instantly labeled thug or terrorist.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
15. No, it's because of the color of their skin. ...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:22 AM
Jun 2014

If the Santa Barbara killer were black, they would simply say that he was a thug, grew up in a bad household and be done with it.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
20. Straw Man #16 has a diff. take. I recall it that way, too.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:23 AM
Jun 2014

MSM got a little burned on its reporting of this when their Narrative on weapon choice was revealed to be incorrect. No mention of thuggery.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
10. -- sometimes the white people are called Patriots!
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:54 PM
Jun 2014

-- at least that's what some of them call themselves.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
16. I think it depends on age and background too ...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:49 AM
Jun 2014

... and not solely on race. No one called Aaron Alexis, the Washington Navy Yard shooter, a "thug." He was an adult who had held a responsible job. His mental health was extensively discussed.

IronLionZion

(45,421 posts)
17. When a RW extremist white woman and man shoot 3 "good guys with guns"
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jun 2014

its largely ignored by conservative media and quickly forgotten by the next day. No endless articles and blog posts about anything at all. Not mental illness, not policy, not gun control, not race or gender, nothing.


 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
18. Might have to wait a few days to get more b.g.,
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jun 2014

but I see your point. When a woman is involved, or a black man using a shotgun (Naval Yard), the MSM Narrative of some off-the-wall-white boy with alienation "issues" and an Assault Weapon™ gets disrupted.

I remember just after the Navy Yard shootings, my googling revealed a list of newz sources proclaiming an "assault weapon" was used. Next day, the corrections flooded in: The weapon was a hoary Remington pump shotgun. Massive, embarassing short circuit to the Narrative.

IronLionZion

(45,421 posts)
19. I suppose its always good to wait for more accurate info
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jun 2014

but I have noticed a big difference in how this was covered. I thought this was a game changer, but we've mostly heard nothing from the right on this matter in any sort of context. I don't believe they can spin this one so they choose to ignore it.

It's a scary thought to think that people who look like most people might decide to randomly murder Americans on American soil for political reasons in public places like restaurants and shops. It's too scary for many so they would rather not think about it at all. That would cause panic, and possibly bad consequences.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
21. To dwell on the politics of these murderers is to invite
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jun 2014

closer scrutiny of ALL mass killers; their memberships, voter registration, shit house wall manifestos, etc. The far right has already made the case that most mass murderers lean left or Democratic. That argument sourcing can't be done on DU, lest one suffer a "hide." Maybe this is the stuff which should, as my folks used to say, "remain in the family."

The "game changing" predicted with any of these shootings depends on MSM coverage, and it has been on the whole, massive. MSM has been and remains (even in its weakened less-influential state) rather stridently pro gun-control. But it still has not changed much.

IMO, respectfully, hopes for a "game change" in gun control politics reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the American people, the role of guns in U.S. History & culture, and of the extent of grass roots organization that pro-2A people have: It is enormous, self-funded, sophisticated, and quick to act. But this big fact remains: The big majority of Americans believe the Second protects an individual RKBA, and at least 80,000,000 of them have the motivation to obtain guns.

Liz_Estrada

(56 posts)
24. Are you implying
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jun 2014

that you believe the RW BS that most recent mass shooters are liberal/Democratic? And hence we should be afraid of discussing it "in the family"?

For debunking of the RW BS, please see
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-idea-that-recent-mass-shooters-are-mostly-registered-democrats-is-a-myth

(Sorry, i haven't been able to copy and paste the link directly from my 'ancient' phone.)

I have rarely posted in all my years on DU, but I couldn't let this inaccuracy/outright lie/delusion go by without a response.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
25. Not implying anything at all. It is the RW's contention.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

Publicize as you wish. Just be aware that the politics of mass murder will be seen as a can of worms to be used & abused throughout the innertubes.

weetie

(18 posts)
27. she's got it, alright.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jun 2014

except it's only when white people do it that the NRA comes out and STILL says guns aren't the issue. they fall silent for the others

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