He 'converted' and gave his final confession to James Dobson. The prosecutor for Aileen Wournos 'counseled him' to being born again. The writer Ann Rule was in his classes at Universty. He was sane enough to fool them all and knew precisely what he was doing.

I agree with everything you've written here. There are genuinely mentally ill people - but hateful jerks are hateful jerks.

And those two were hateful jerks like everyone else at the Bundy ranch and knew precisely what they were doing.

Are hateful jerks who murder, also mentally ill with their "beliefs"? Do they really know what they are doing and the consequences of what they do?

But they are both dead now. We could say they were mentally ill - if they were here maybe they could explain the difference. They are how bad this shit can get if we don't start paying attention to what these separatist anti government types are up to.

.... putting normal in quotes because it's to mean completely healthy and sane in this instance, not actual normal, which is at least a little fucked up....

... you're probably one of the ones with gangrene.

a million in the bank is delusional

How many beds should they prepare?

A Million? Twenty Million?

Imagine

Perhaps the government could freeze the assets of everyone who does not possess a core set of social, political, and/or economic beliefs and use that to pay for the long term treatment of anyone who voted R and/or had a silly straw hat with teabags decorating the rim.

Since many of these people have paranoid delusions about being locked up in concentration camps, they may be excitable about the prospect of involuntary commitment to a facility of healing and safety. Therefore, the security of these missions of mercy will be paramount.

They'll need to be physically secure from escape by patients unprepared to return to a life of social responsibility. Strong, tall walls and fences, heavily controlled entrances. Lots and lots of anti-anxiety medicines, relaxing sounds and music, and aromatherapy.

The righties' days could be spent in group and individual therapy sessions being taught how not to be silly and/or hateful bigots and how to champion the cause of social and economic equality.

The garnishment of their cash and liquid assets would pay for the treatment. And an additional 10 to 20 million jobs would add to the tax base, which would help pay for treatment for the broke 'baggers.

Whaddaya think of this plan? Humane (it's not jail, it's not a concentration camp, it is a mental health facility) AND it gets rid of a lot of opposing votes

Paranoia is a mental illness, no?
The gun-banners are trying to cover up the fact that all these mass killers have mental problems... Columbine, Va Tech, Aurora, etc. Its simply impossible to remove all guns, but a lot can be done to make it more difficult for criminals and mentally ill (recent guy was both) to obtain guns. Most gun owners would even support that, imo. However, as long as both sides are firmly dug in at polar extremes, the status quo will continue.

I think it's paranoid to think that a virus in China that has relatively-low communicability is going to magically migrate to BFE Arkansas and require quarantine, or to stock up on silver bars to have as alternative currency should TSHTF.

So should I go to the courthouse and sign a petition on these people to have them committed, evaluated, and it decided whether or not they should be able to own guns?

Edit to add: No, paranoia is not a mental illness. It's a symptom of several personality disorders as well as a symptom of certain subtypes of schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, and schizophreniform disorder, but not a requirement for any of them. Especially with personality disorders, what a person is paranoid regarding may be helpful in establishing a diagnosis. People with outright "paranoid personality disorder" may be afraid of everyone, a person with schizotypical personality disorder (shows like Finding Bigfoot and Ghost Hunters are catered specifically to that demographic) might be paranoid the aliens might abduct them, etc.

... dude was a walking paranoid CTist.

I mean, I might not want to fuck with them just in case they *were* carrying concealed, but they're living their lives without hurting anybody unless someone hurts them. I've yet to see a personality disorder successfully be used as a defense for a murder conviction. They still have control over their actions.

Why don't people look at the actions instead of the alleged thoughts of the person? The guy was a felon already. He wasn't able to buy a gun legally through normal channels, so he went to a private seller. If we want to stop crimes like his, let's work on regulations stopping private parties from selling without having to go through a third-party intermediary like a pawn shop for the transfer so that there's a universal background check.

Mental health is NOT the issue here.

Only the tiniest fraction of one percent of either goes on a shooting spree. However, there's about 1 1/3 times as many gun-related suicides as there are homicides. Addressing mental health and gun-ownership would go a long way in preventing many of those 16K annual deaths.
Agree with you about closing gun show loophole, and regulating/registering private sales. Most gun homicides are committed by persons with previous felonies. They already are prohibited from owning a gun. Making it more difficult for them to acquire one makes a lot of sense. As this would affect very few gun owners, I think there would be good support.

Terrorism is a good way to put it. They've been shooting up churches/places of worship for a few years now. It's going to take them blowing up a church or several at one time for people to wake up and smell the hate group the Republicans are hiding.

Isn't that why he was sent to prison?

Normally meth heads look pretty torn up by their addiction.

And his long rap sheets in both Indiana and Washington seemed to mainly involve assault and battery.

Unless he was a dealer I'll ignore that one

But very, very few mentally ill people are dangerous to others.

If we let a "bad upbringing" and the scars from it be an excuse for murder, well, I should have been able to kill a lot of people by now. I imagine we'd have a lot more people climbing belltowers, too, because we'd be condoning the behavior by saying it wasn't their fault.

Mommy didn't love you enough? Tough, still shouldn't have killed that guy. Having command hallucinations? Okay, that one I'll buy.

And glad you realize that the number of "command hallucination" murders is very, very low.

However, its obviously pretty easy for a mentally ill person, or a felon, (guy was both), to get guns.

By definition, you gotta be nuts to do this shit. And if you are forced to kill because of being in the service, it can make you nuts.

When someone does something horrible we love to rush to say that mental illness was the cause simply because to us it seems that one would have to be mad to commit such atrocities.

People are capable of dark things and it does not always indicate true mental illness.

I suck at brevity.

I'm not always as rude or curt, but I love the freedom that I was given when I fell ill three years ago. I don't sweat the small stuff and am able to say that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, I'll call it a duck and do so unapologetically.

I hate being lumped in with those violent assholes who go around shooting people.

Have personality disorders if mentally ill at all. Clearly some of them have at thought disorder some may be severely depressed to the point their actions are suicide attempts. But they aren't all mentally ill. I do not believe murder is a symptom of mental illness.