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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:17 PM Jun 2014

A History of Liberal White Racism, Cont.

It's not that northern liberals cut a deal with southern racists -- the southerners were very much married to to the prospect of progressive reform.

TA-NEHISI COATES APR18 2013, 8:19 PM ET





There is some sense that when we talk about the period leading up to the New Deal and beyond, that we are talking about progressives in the North making a tragic, yet necessary, bargain with white racists conservatives in the South. In fact what Ira Katznelson shows in Fear Itself is something a little more complicated. The white supremacists in his book are, indeed, for the most part, Southern. But they also are very much married to to the prospect of progressive liberal reform. It may break our brains a bit to imagine, say, a Southern white supremacist backing railroad unions. But that's actual history.


And if you think about it, it makes sense. Ben "Pitchfork" Tillman and Tom Watson were populist and (ultimately in the case of Watson) white supremacists. The division goes back to the days of pre-slavery politics when the South was somewhat divided between planters and yeoman farmers. I say"somewhat" because on the issue of White Supremacy, there was no division.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/04/a-history-of-liberal-white-racism-cont/275129/

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A History of Liberal White Racism, Cont. (Original Post) bravenak Jun 2014 OP
Thought-provoking article YoungDemCA Jun 2014 #1
I agree. bravenak Jun 2014 #2
"We tend to forget the bad and laud the good." Heidi Jun 2014 #6
Thought provoking? More like a bunch of revisionist agitprop. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #3
Great read Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #4
You're welcome. bravenak Jun 2014 #5
K and R/ This is important etherealtruth Jun 2014 #7
 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
1. Thought-provoking article
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:16 AM
Jun 2014

The last three paragraphs really stick out.

It is not enough to claim that "liberalism" has, somehow, changed meanings thus allowing us to disown the Mississippi Senator. On the contrary, the Roosevelt administration congratulated Bilbo on his win in 1940 pronouncing him "a real friend of liberal government." When Bilbo himself first ran for Senate he promised to "raise the same kind of hell as President Roosevelt." When he was up for reelection Bilbo promoted himself to be "100 percent for Roosevelt ... and the New Deal."

If the New Deal is ours, so is Theodore Bilbo. Acknowledging this part of our history wounds us. Class interests, in the liberal mind, has always been seen as the great uniter. And yet we see for whole stretches of our history race not simply race trumping class, but race effectively functioning as class.

Does it mean that the New Deal was worthless? No. Is the point that Roosevelt was a covert anti-black bigot? Nope. But it is part of our history. And it is as important to acknowledge this--just as, when the history of marriage equality is written, it will be important to acknowledge the Democratic Party's "evolution."


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
2. I agree.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:19 AM
Jun 2014

We tend to forget the bad and laud the good. We need to remember and not slip back into nonsense.

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
6. "We tend to forget the bad and laud the good."
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:01 AM
Jun 2014

Indeed. There is always something to be gained from remembering and learning.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
3. Thought provoking? More like a bunch of revisionist agitprop.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:08 AM
Jun 2014

As I totally correctly pointed out in the other thread: Ted Bilbo was no genuine liberal/progressive. Not even close. He was, in fact, an extreme right-wing faux-populist; he was merely taking advantage of the surge in progressivism's popularity by latching himself onto a certain few causes, and talking a likable game(even supposedly fooling Roosevelt at one point). But deep down, he was always a reactionary, but merely an opprotunistic one. And you know what? There's guys just like that today; one of the greatest examples of such would be Rand Paul. Paul claims to be against the drug wars, and even pays lip service to anger against bankers on Wall Street.....(and sadly, some people actually have fallen for his schtick.) By the logic utilized by Coates and Katznelson here, Paul, too, according to that, is a progressive liberal.

But in reality, he's not. Neither was Ted Bilbo, and anyone who believes otherwise is frankly either naive, or even deluded.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
7. K and R/ This is important
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:36 AM
Jun 2014

As with "part I" I am hoping I can find time to do more than skim the article after work

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