Its all over America. Paul Mooney said he didn't really know racism until his family moved from Louisiana to California.

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Thx for posting that.

Hi.

2. What's the big deal

Is there any evidence something nefarious went on? Or is it just automatically assumed to be a racist statement based on the races of the participants regardless of context.

schoolmaster), which teacher doesn't realize that saying something like that to an African American student has a connotation entirely different from saying it to a student of another genetic background?

This teacher needs to be re-trained if he missed that much history class.

SUPPOSEDLY he has undergone diversity training. I agree with the kid's mother - he needs far more training than what he received - Shawn McCurtain (sp?) the teacher that is.

This was just poor home training for that man. And he ought to be ashamed of himself - but the right wing will pick up on this and turn him into another Joe The Plumber.

brave - we can't make this shit up. Second verse same as the first!

I hope the public shaming keeps him in check from now on. Kids do not need to be exposed to those type of attitudes in school from teachers. Life is hard enough for kids.

You like that? It just never sounds right in any situation.

Now now - someone is going to alert and give you a hide because they will have a 'sad' and totally disregard the pics in your sig line!

Behave yourself girl!

I always cringed when she said that.

right back at both of you

this is wrong.

the thing is he DID know . it wasn't some innocent mistake.

maybe if it was a class thing where he had the entire class say it. but to pick out the one black kid.

I still can't find out how old this teacher is - any background.

Football player, preferably a nose guard!

I couldn't begin to imagine a scenario where the comment from the teacher would be appropriate. Sorry I won't get to see the seven hides and the comments.

2 posts is all he could get in.
That teacher had to know that it was innappropriate.

1. You're the dom in a BDSM relationship talking to your sub. Quite obviously not the case here.

2. You're in some cult/secret society sort of thing.

3. I guess a far-fetched third might be you're in some trade that still does the 'apprentice/journeyman/master' thing.

And finally, the fourth possible reason to request to be called 'master' in this day and age?

4. You're a racist ass.

You should write for Jeopardy.

go ahead! give it a shot!

but I don't love racists posts!

Perhaps you should take a remedial course.

More about the teacher. The article's brevity doesn't explore who the guy is - and if he has a history of this behavior.

Though - I question - I mean this 17 year olds response to be asked to move was a polite, "Yes sir."

I'm a gen x'er - that's how we were raised. So this kid's parents raised him right and polite and respectful of his elders and the elder had to be a snotty smart ass?

That said - I want more info.

I really cannot think of a context that would make it an innocent thing for a teacher (an educated person) who is not African American to say this out loud to an African American student, even without a history of racist remarks or actions.

But as you can see in reply #4 - bravenak is taking one for the team today. Yesterday was my turn. Trying to lay low. We get hidden when we tell the 'truth'.

But honestly- I can't think of a single African American that would say that. We just wouldn't. Not in any context. To a student or anyone. I know there is a push to demonize us lately - but we seriously have more common sense than that.

Look at how the 17 year old initially responded. That says alot right there. But when the teacher goaded him - he stood up for himself. Cue the Greek Chorus - the media is going to paint him as a violent vicious young black male (which the media ALWAYS does regardless of that individual's behavior) that by saying "Yes sir" he was being 'insubordinate' and not stepping and fetching for the white male 'authoriteh!

How is getting hidden a reason to post that you'd have to know this teacher's history before you could decide?

It a thing now.

Getting posts hidden does not explain why poster's saying once, let alone twice in one post, that he or she needs more info before they can assess whether a remark is racist or not. One thing does not automatically lead to the other.

I'm being a smart ass to a certain element around here - but within TOS.

I posted this on a thread yesterday -

Because

Middle age and older white male Christian Dominionist Fearful Republicans have done everything they can to fuck over blacks, asians, latinos, women and the GLBT community.

They've done it by voting for the Republican Party and their IndieTeaPublican cohorts.


Not the politicians - the jerks that voted for them.

I forgot to 'bold' one word - Republicans

Now a thread was started when we were having a perfectly reasonable discussion on the thread I posted THAT statement on - that was nothing less than shit stirring and attention getting. I pointed that out - didn't even link the thread and got a 'hide'.

So now I can't respond to anyone who took issue with my remarks. Oh - I have pm'd a few people and at least one person understood but another I pm'd last night and pointed out the 'Republican' part to hasn't yet responded.


So I thought I would DOUBLE DOWN here with my statement since you gave me an opening.

those who fuck a lot of us over are all Republicans. I won't ever say they all are, either. And I will often cut back against those who do post it. So, if that is going to get a lot of my posts hidden, they may as well ban me now.

Erik Prince of Blackwater fame is now a 'Libertarian'. He was in NYC with a bunch of Hedge Fund Managers in April at a conference to 'support' the expansion and survival of 'charter schools' in NYC.

I'd put him that list of fuckery overy! :lmao:

I know it sounds strange, but it is what it is. All of us have been getting hides for strange things lately. Mine for cussing. Her for? We do not know what might set the majority off and we get alot if flak. I am the worst racist on DU. And the ageist. And the worst sexist ever. Me. Young black woman with a hispanic name is the worst racist DU has ever seen. There were multiple threads about me with hundreds of complaintants about how horrible i am. On and on and on because i said older white males are not the victims, they write the terrible laws to keep others down. But i didn't say NOT ALL OLD WHITE MEN! So i am a racist, sexist, ageist and they felt comfortable writing nasty messages to and about me all day long. Hundreds of them with hundreds of recs.

morning "just" because they burn some Afghan girls and they cut the nose off another?

Hey, I got called sexist and petty because I pointed out Josh Cryer had something about Hillary in 2008 wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025055670

I get called rightist or some equivalent thereof on an almost daily basis, at least on the days that I post here, by posters who are well to the right of me.

And, (same thread, different poster) I am a lifelong pacifist who apparently doesn't believe in the peace movement.

I try to obey the TOS and not dare anyone to ban me. Beyond that, I don't see a point to posting on a political board if I have to self censor every post or say things I don't mean.

I used to try to assume sincerity and good faith on the part of others when I posted, but it became impossible. Now, I just have to laugh (and laugh merrily).

Just try to obey the letter of the TOS and speak your truth anyway. And if you get called names, this might help.



I used it a lot on that thread. Just seemed to fit.

I knew i should have just used gifs.
I can't censor myself because i do not have a filter and stuff just pours forth from a secret place like an unstoppable force. I am just so very noticeable. I might try an experiment soon to see if it stops.
I'll change somethings around and i bet it will work.

board does not belong to me and so I will respect the TOS as much as I can while maintaining my integrity as much as I can. The day that I feel that I cannot do both I probably will get banned but my goal is to respect the TOS.

so on the mark, consistently, in nailing the truth about white fear of losing dominance over all 'colored' peoples and all the resources of the planet. It's fear bravnak that created the backlash against you and be proud that you brought the truth to so many who vociferously and meanly defended their right to white privilege and racial dominance. Hundreds are in fear. No thousands. No millions. You were right in your post. No doubts or problem with any of your postulations. Never back down when truth is your sword.

People are getting easier and easier to read and I feel nervous when i predict and outcome and it happens exactly as expected. I swear there's somebody out there who needs me to help them and i am wasting my time playing Pet Rescue. Might be time to reactivate my account at UAA and get some classes in before I decide where i want to work this fall after my baby starts pre-k.
This whole thing over the last couple of days has motivated me to try to figure out how to get my ideas together into a coherent message and spread it. It has me troubled and trying to figure out a solution.

I feel you.

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reflects WHY teachers and a certain population segment like mcurtain can perpetuate hate and racism without fear of major consequence. This is as amerikkka has always been and I fear always will be. Wake up and smell the ignorance, racism and stupidity running rampant these days because of a RW getting away with metaphorical murder. This most recent spate started first SOTU speech when that disrespectful POS called the POTUS a "LIAR" on national television and faced no real consequence for that action. This is a country FILLED with racist people with no compunction about killing kids with a hoodie, tea and skittles in their hands. Forgive the snark, hope you missed it. Read what bravenak wrote. You mean no harm.

And I said that only because I did not get that Justanother was using irony. Once I got that, everything was totally clear to me.

I got all that also. You are not my enemy. Sometimes I'm my own worst.

No worries.

"n mid-May, the Roosevelt High School teacher told students to move to another spot to take a final test. Senior Jabre White responded, “Yes, sir.”

McCurtain then said, “You meant to say, ‘Yes, sir, master.’ ”"

It is possible that the teacher heard a very rude "Yes, sir" and hit his limit and made a sarcastic remark back to the student.

or sexist remarks or anti-Semitic remarks or anything of that nature are your "go to" on becoming angry, it still says a lot about the way you think or feel.

(I am using "you" generically, and not to refer to hedgehog. I just don't like using "one" instead of "you.&quot

voicing "Yes, sir" with an intonation or physical gesture that implied "Yes, sir, Master"


BTW - thank you for a serious comment rather than a knee jerk condemnation of me!

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deserves condemnation. Your response along with the person who had your back reflects the type of mentality that just cannot get rid of the sub conscious feeling that white privilege, to say anything, trumps any respect for black people and denies the racist, genocidal history of this country. To extend on your 'take' and my 'take' of your response. What if the teacher had it in for this young man from the beginning just because of some dislike. What if this student picked up on it and started returning the disrespect and it escalated to this point. Your knee jerk defense of the teacher presupposes the teacher automatically innocent of any wrong doing because the student of course has to be wrong because he's, maybe you feel, one of those 'black thugs'? The bottom line on this situation is the teacher showed a definite lack of respect for this student. Has no ability at the restraint necessary for a person in his sensitive position and needs to be severely reprimanded for the stupidity and ignorance shown to this student and by extension all black students in his care. How that for serious?

It is possible that the teacher has a racist attitude and that the student responded accordingly and/or that the student is a pain in the neck who plays the race card. It's possible that cultural differences are part of the mix as well; they could have inadvertently been hitting each other's hot buttons for months. All I am saying is that without knowing the entire history here, it's possible that the teacher is not a racist. Making sweeping judgements based on an incomplete story never seems to be a good practice to me.

On edit - I'd like to reiterate that it's not clear that the teacher ordered the student to call him "Master", I interpret the account to be that the teacher was asking if the student was calling him "Master". For a student to imply that a teacher is a slave owner is at least as big an insult as a teacher insulting a student by demanding to be called "Master".

told him to say "yes master." There was a witness that turned red at the remark and started smirking., I assuming he/she was same race as teacher.. If the student was lying than it would have been a stupid thing given the witnesses present. Two others walked up on the situation. The student got angry and responded with the proper attitude to a racial insult. No 'race card' evident in students verbal account of what happened. But the racist card WAS played by the teacher. I tend, per previous posting, to believe that you see this student as the archetypal 'trayvon martin black thug'. AM I WRONG?

not the article plus the video. You saw a fuller account than I read.

And it wasn't something good.

Though I still would not have come back with an awful response such as he did.

Personal story of how I almost got upset about something (kind of similar). Several weeks ago I was driving home from the grocery store. Got to the alley-way that I drive up and there an AA male and female standing on the sidewalk right in the middle of the alley. Put on my turn signal and waited. Several seconds went by. They looked over at me. I smiled and waved. They moved over out of the alley-way on the sidewalk. I turned and pulled in. AA male bowed to me as I pulled past. Truthfully, right at that second I got pretty pissed. I did not see myself as "above" them in any way, yet seeing his reaction made me believe that he did think that I thought that way. I almost stopped and said something, but just calmed down and moved on. Still, if they had stood on the sidewalk 2 feet either direction, not right in the middle of the alley, the whole incident would have been avoided. Cars do go in on out of the alley fairly regular. I do not know what he was thinking, but the situation did not sit well with me.

There are two sides to every story.

Sid

Pops-ups, music, and assorted nonsense on that site.

An educated person should know better. This would never have been correct.

He's an ass.