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mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:45 AM Jun 2014

BBC World Service News: Gadsen flag used by extreme right wing groups.

Yes we know this to be true... but to have the BBC state this in the bottom of the hour news summary drove the point home. It wasn't a political statement, just a statement of fact.

It makes me think that the US mainstream news media won't go there... and go to state this truth.

In my mind, what those anti-government, anti law-enforcement murderers did in Las Vegas is change the symbolism of the "Don't Tread on Me" flag from a flag for the Tea Party to something to be associated with the likes of the Nazi flag. Then for the BBC to state it's a flag used by "extreme right wing groups" .... it just blew my mind.

Why does this truth get spread outside the US like this but not here? Doesn't America deserve straight news?

Thank you for listening.

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BBC World Service News: Gadsen flag used by extreme right wing groups. (Original Post) mwooldri Jun 2014 OP
It seems to me to also be a gun group's attempts upaloopa Jun 2014 #1
If the jelly-bellied Olde Country Buffet crowd ever had to pull a Valley Forge in support Aristus Jun 2014 #6
The truth is that during Valey Forge..... Bonhomme Richard Jun 2014 #8
I agree. Aristus Jun 2014 #10
That's an interesting assessment. Orrex Jun 2014 #12
Believe they are their direct descendents. It accounts for their wealth and staying power. freshwest Jun 2014 #38
Hey! We like Country Buffet! DavidDvorkin Jun 2014 #34
Disturbing our major outlets are tiptoeing around this so delicately. DirkGently Jun 2014 #2
"It makes me think that the US mainstream news media won't go there... and go to state this truth." theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #3
Mainstream news media smallcat88 Jun 2014 #4
They have that flag on license plates here in VA. FSogol Jun 2014 #5
seriously? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #19
Yes. I see them here in Virginia every day. LiberalLoner Jun 2014 #23
Yup, seen them too here in NC. mwooldri Jun 2014 #24
Went to college in Richmond abelenkpe Jun 2014 #30
They have specialty plates in Missouri, too: Gore1FL Jun 2014 #32
Used to be a perfectly respectable DirkGently Jun 2014 #35
That's a sort of vanity plate, specifically chosen, right? Because it seems the official state plate Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #36
Yes, they cost $20 more than the traditional plates. n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #37
Yeah, they're ugliness is on full display.. Cha Jun 2014 #40
Domestic Terrorism Iliyah Jun 2014 #7
I learned far more of Mexican Energy Policy in a week of news nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #9
We are children. We (as a nation) react to stimuli..not reason. n/t Bonhomme Richard Jun 2014 #14
I give the reader a tad more credit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #18
I have something to cheer you up.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #11
I can't find the link, but there was a really interesting poll floating around here a few weeks back Victor_c3 Jun 2014 #20
The media were puzzled by that and totally ignoring actual history.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #28
Gadsen flag endorsed by socialist Ben Franklin and Gadsen was a proto-union supporter. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #13
Which it is why it's the 21st Century swastika. mwooldri Jun 2014 #15
And occasionally, some well-meaning naif tries to "reclaim" it nxylas Jun 2014 #25
There is an individual in Edmonton, Alberta named Manwoman Maedhros Jun 2014 #27
I did notice CNN has 'gone there' online, in a op-ed: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #16
The right-wing (GOP) M.O. is to appropriate symbols/buzzwords SoCalDem Jun 2014 #17
Real news comes from the foreign press. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #21
I have the Gadsen flag symbol on a hat Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #22
I wonder if there is some custom Gadsen toilet paper? GusBob Jun 2014 #26
Don't wipe on me? FSogol Jun 2014 #31
That'd be appropriate! And hey, it's YELLOW already! calimary Jun 2014 #33
G-A-D-S-D-E-N johnp3907 Jun 2014 #29
Yes, we deserve Real News.. everyone does. the Gadsen flag "fixed".. Cha Jun 2014 #39
I don't follow the Twitter world, thanks for this corrected flag :) nt mwooldri Jun 2014 #41
I don't do twitter myself but thankfully they post them online so Cha Jun 2014 #42

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. It seems to me to also be a gun group's attempts
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jun 2014

at machismo. As if they could ever back it up once the "revolution" begins. Remember the American spring fiasco!

Aristus

(66,286 posts)
6. If the jelly-bellied Olde Country Buffet crowd ever had to pull a Valley Forge in support
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jun 2014

of whatever ideals they espouse, they'd go over to the enemy in a heartbeat rather than miss a meal.

They have about as much revolution in them as Louis XVI...

Bonhomme Richard

(8,997 posts)
8. The truth is that during Valey Forge.....
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jun 2014

they would have been the enemy.
They are ideological conservatives (as compared to monetary conservatives who are conservative about money matters)....ideological conservatives don't like change.....the revolution was all about change.....they would have been Tories. Not a doubt in my mind, in fact, it would have been impossible for them to be Patriots.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
2. Disturbing our major outlets are tiptoeing around this so delicately.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jun 2014

In the present context, it's not "A flag associated with the Revolutionary War." It's a Tea Party / Sovereign Citizen symbol.

And it's not a coincidental reference. Rightwingers in America are and have been winding themselves up under the notion that they and their guns are the only true Americans, and that they have some kind of duty to "put things right," and that everyone will join them when what they see as the inevitable violent, racially tinged New Civil War begins.

Now they're threatening federal agents and embarking on suicidal cop-killing missions, overtly invoking the same ideology, but we're apparently not going to talk about that. We're just going to accept that everyone gets a gun, and everyone gets to engage in irrational conspiracy theories about the government, and hey, a few people are going to take it a step further and murder some people.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
3. "It makes me think that the US mainstream news media won't go there... and go to state this truth."
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jun 2014

And you would be absolutely correct.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
4. Mainstream news media
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jun 2014

is afraid of backlash, pure and simple. Facts be damned. Fair and balanced? We know that's bullshit. CNN is too worried about walking the line between MSNBC and FOX. And this is one truth that even MSNBC is probably afraid to state outright on the air. Our news media has become as polarized as our politics.

FSogol

(45,446 posts)
5. They have that flag on license plates here in VA.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jun 2014


Usually, I can tell them are an asshole even w/o the plates.

mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
24. Yup, seen them too here in NC.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jun 2014

The vehicle I saw had other decals indicating their disdain for the present government, especially the Executive Branch. It was a VA plate... they're not available in NC yet.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
30. Went to college in Richmond
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jun 2014

People would have that flag and the confederate flag in their windows. Always creeped me out. Don't miss that at all. Strange place.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
35. Used to be a perfectly respectable
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jun 2014

symbol, just as the swastika was. Can't put the crazy, muderous toothpaste back in the tube though.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
36. That's a sort of vanity plate, specifically chosen, right? Because it seems the official state plate
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jun 2014

is this:

Cha

(296,848 posts)
40. Yeah, they're ugliness is on full display..
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:08 AM
Jun 2014

Steve Marmel @Marmel
Follow
Hey, #BundyRanch "patriots." In light of your soldiers killing those cops, I fixed your flag.
7:41 AM - 9 Jun 2014
350 Retweets 199 favorites

TOD

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
7. Domestic Terrorism
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jun 2014

and fake news, cnn and other corporate media is fueling this. Of course they won't 24/7 cover this like what they are doing with an five year captive American soldier by tearing him and his family down so GOPers can look good for 2014 elections at the same time trying to destroy Pres O's presidency - "I" word.

Corporate media, hate radio and it seems like majority of the GOP party and its base are slowly going into "revolution". Patriots - nada, no way, GOPers are the enemy of the state.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. I learned far more of Mexican Energy Policy in a week of news
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jun 2014

Than I have learned in years of reading specialized material in the US. Our media treats us like children. The few outlets that try not to, are dismissed out of hand though

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. I give the reader a tad more credit
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jun 2014

But after years of forever home stories, I expect few hits when I actually spend a quality day with my local city council

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
11. I have something to cheer you up....
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

There was a time not so very long ago when the American Right and Republicans were peddling their philosophy all over the world as the wave of the future and the world actually considered their ideas for a while.

Now the world is wondering how in the hell we allow it to exist. Most civilized nations would have cracked down on these people long before they got to this point in the name of keeping the peace.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
20. I can't find the link, but there was a really interesting poll floating around here a few weeks back
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jun 2014

Basically it pointed out that typically 6 years into every two-term president's presidency that typically the party opposite of the president's party is seen more favorably. Simply put, the public gets fatigued by the party in power.

However, recent polls suggest that this isn't happening 6 years into Obama's presidency. The democrats, in terms of favorability, are much better off now than any incumbent party has been at this point in a presidency.

Things are really shaping up to turn hard left progressive in this country in the very near future.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
28. The media were puzzled by that and totally ignoring actual history....
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jun 2014

They love the idea that it's a 50/50 country and always has been.

It NEVER has been. That has always been a Right Wing talking point.

This is a very Liberal country and always has been but half the country doesn't vote so elections are decided by 25% of the population.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,957 posts)
13. Gadsen flag endorsed by socialist Ben Franklin and Gadsen was a proto-union supporter.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jun 2014

I have not verified this but it was reported in DU and I have no reason to doubt the poster.

Franklin gave away his patentable ideas in a very socialistic way. Gadsen was a supporter of working men and their rights, before the union movement really got started.

If the Teas knew more about this history they wouldn't be so ready to embrace it.

mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
15. Which it is why it's the 21st Century swastika.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jun 2014

Before the Nazis used it, it meant something entirely different. In some parts of the world the swastika is a sign of peace, especially so in Hinduism and Buddhism.

The anti-governmentalists in the Las Vegas shooting made that crystal clear the moment they used both symbols together.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
27. There is an individual in Edmonton, Alberta named Manwoman
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jun 2014

He is one of those trying to reclaim the swastika. Seems to be a very gentle soul:

http://www.manwoman.net/

muriel_volestrangler

(101,266 posts)
16. I did notice CNN has 'gone there' online, in a op-ed:
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jun 2014
Opinion: Right-wing extremists strike again

...
The Millers appear to have been motivated by extreme far-right views. The couple left a flag at the scene of the crime with the words "Don't Tread on Me," a Revolutionary War symbol used by some anti-government extremists.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/10/opinion/bergen-las-vegas-shooting-right-wing-extremists/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
17. The right-wing (GOP) M.O. is to appropriate symbols/buzzwords
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jun 2014

Their minions are apparently not intelligent enough for a complex explanation of policy/platform/agenda.

They are Pavlovian in so many ways.

But these shortcuts/dog-whistles are effective, to Democrats' detriment.

The really sad thing is that these idiots harm themselves right along with the rest of us.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
22. I have the Gadsen flag symbol on a hat
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jun 2014

I was wearing it looong before it's being coopted by the extreme right. I still wear it from time to time.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
33. That'd be appropriate! And hey, it's YELLOW already!
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jun 2014

Just like the folks who embrace it so publicly!

Cha

(296,848 posts)
39. Yes, we deserve Real News.. everyone does. the Gadsen flag "fixed"..
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:06 AM
Jun 2014

Steve Marmel @Marmel
Follow
Hey, #BundyRanch "patriots." In light of your soldiers killing those cops, I fixed your flag.
7:41 AM - 9 Jun 2014
350 Retweets 199 favorites

TOD

The US corporatemedia "news" is owned by those who only care about themselves and others like them.. they have no interest in the Democratic position. I haven't watched since Nov 2002.

thanks for bringing this up, mwooldri

Cha

(296,848 posts)
42. I don't do twitter myself but thankfully they post them online so
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:05 AM
Jun 2014

others can catch what they're up to. Some really compelling things drifting through Twitter world.

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