And please don't insinuate that the clown car has a credible candidate.

And I love Martin O'Malley....

And I also think he will make an excellent President....but he won't run against the first female President.

...who say he'll run a "friendly" campaign against her (angling for VP?)

But they won't stand in her way...

I likely likey that inside track!

As to who might be next? Just because you claim to be able to predict the future doesn't mean that I'm going there.

...lining up political and financial committments. Warren and Sanders? Not so much.

When Obama made his announcement in 2007 (not 2006) he was only about three months removed from the start of serious campaign organizing. And remember that at that time, Obama was largely the third choice behind Hillary and John Edwards (remember him?).

Eighteen months is an eternity in electoral politics.

That's what they said in 2008 too. She'll blow it again, she's already trying.

This is decidedly NOT 2008.

Obama wasn't a "credible challenge" either. Remember how this whole thing was "a big fairy-tale"?

Only one who has even made a squeak or two is Joe Biden. And we all know how likely he is to win. Well, there's also Bernie Sanders, who I love, but he won't ever win the nomination, much less the general.

He was known but it was still Hillary's to lose (and boy did she ever). Obama wasn't seen as a real threat until after he kicked her ass in Iowa.


But by all means, attempt to re-write history to fit your point. It's the internet, you can say whatever you want.

Hillary has so many skeletons and misspeaks and misspokes and foots in mouth and misdeeds and wrong decisions anyone with some guts to go against The Machine could win it.

The thought of Corporate Hillary fills me with despair.
It will never fill me with any enthusiasm whatsoever.
Oh, and I was a Hillary supporter the first time she tried for the post, and failed - and then I found out what corporate and Third Way means.

That is enough for a vast majority here. HC could govern just like a republican would and they wouldnt know the difference and call her the 2nd best president next to President Obama. The corporate takeover of independent and critical thinking and adherence to principals is complete.

Good luck with not caring about winning....

The money she can raise and the OFA database ---> game over

and now? *trash thread*

I working to get a lot of Democrats elected, but i still have time to actively enourage my preferred candidates to get ready for 2016.

I have no idea who dislikes her more, if the RW or the LW.

As for 2014, you have it right. I'm afraid that we might lose the Senate, but around here it's all about bashing Hillary 24/7.

I can guarantee that the RW hates her more. The LW will end up voting for her. The RW never would.

I have read more than one comment here stating that they won't vote for her no matter what.

Compare the population size of the RW that won't vote for HRC and the size of the LW that won't vote for Hillary and get back to me on which side is larger, and what the ratio of the two is. It will be double digit integers.

you are not on the left.

Now I don't have to donate, or talk to neighbors, or take shifts at phone banks, because it's inevitable, and can't be stopped. Thanks, I can sit out the Presidential Election and focus on the other races. I appreciate that, you took a lot of work off my plate mate.

Not like it will matter anyway but I will feel better doing so.

PUMA?

And leave DU too
If I support a group I support the group if I don't support it I will have nothing to do with it

If the Democratic Party wants to be a corporate party good on them I just won't have anything to do with it

Yes I will enjoy president (insert RW name here)

Cause I kind of think they won't miss that either....she has 69% of Democrats supporting her...

Not much so it won't be missed nor will my vote

and you don't think it will be noticed?

another post from you.

what's the word i'm supposed to blurt out right about now?

I will not support ANY CORPORATE candidate and yes that includes the Pres. He got nada well he did get a my vote in 08

But it no longer matters the
DU Brain Trust has said my vote, money and support are not needed and I am am idiot to boot

or are you backing away from that claim?

Lately more money has been going to charities, few pols worth supporting with my money now days. I also do not donate out of my state. If it were up to me money donateded to candidates can only come from state residents.

But hey I am an idiot so it does not matter

So our money and votes do no matter

You know you COULD start your own party and run your own candidate with all that money you will be saving on Hillary!

Bless your heart!

It's what happens when I respond to someone. I tell them how I feel.

Don't you?

Even if she doesn't I don't threaten to take my dollies and go home....I vote for whomever my fellow Democrats select.

Don't you?

I vote for the best candidate. Most of the time it's the lesser of two evils, and almost always a Democrat.

There are just too many progressives who are less than enthusiastic about her, to put it mildly. I'm one of them. If Hillary is the Dem nominee I will vote third party like I did in 2012. I have said it before and I'll say it again: NO WAY will I vote for that corporatist warmonger.

Sooner or later the Democratic establishment is going to have to admit that it can't win without the progressive vote. Not the centrist-moderate-independent vote but the PROGRESSIVE vote. We are, as we have always been, the base of the Democratic Party, and without us they have nothing.

I could start my own party like you said or support socialist candidates instead of corporate candidates

Not much of a threat...

Looks like you got it in the bag now

Doubt it.....

And with 100% of the population knowing everything about her, it's not that great. IMHO.

Not very Democratic of you....

And I don't vote for labels.

Bless your heart...

You do understand that one of those "labels" is on this very site? This is Democratic Underground....Not I don't vote for labels underground

Aren't you?

I don't use labels.

Apparently they're okay for you, even if the candidate is right of Nixon.

Now, I will happily vote for the Democrat Elizabeth Warren, as she actually acts like one.

saddled with shitty leaders.

So you're probably right.

I did that the summer of 2008.

our time, money, or votes, since it's inevitable.

The world will become fascist.

Go back to your homes. Face it; nothing worthwhile can be done. (MoonRiver says so)

like this. Don't cha think, we the people, ought to make a decision or two? You are just reminding us that we have no voice. Thanks. I give up. No need to vote then right?

Think of all the time we would have wasted disagreeing with Hillary and working for other candidates - now we can dedicate ourselves to supporting Hillary.

I'm sure that's what will happen.

bryant

I see nobody but Hillary on the horizon.

getting completely bent out of shape when she didn't win. It is stupid. Please stop. Please do support your candidate, just stop with the "it's inevitable" crap. Unless of course your intention is to divide and destroy our party, then keep it up, way to go!

I'll add that this kind of thinking also hurts Hillary if she's the nominee. Those of us who would rather see a progressive nominee will back a Sanders or O'Malley or someone else, and then, if Hillary wins anyway after a fair fight (and I agree she'll be the favorite if she runs), most of us will support her in the general.

The main fly in the ointment would be if we feel that the corporate media and the party establishment have rigged the game. The best way to discourage progressives from voting for Hillary in November is to leave us with the impression that she didn't win the nomination in a fair fight.

She has one thing going for her that Obama never had - low expectations. Yeah she'll be elected president but she won't make the changes needed to move the country in the right direction or help the middle class.

The only good thing about her is that the wing nuts hate her guts, even considering all she has done to align herself with Wall Street and the Pentagon.

To rub people's nose in it? Short-circuit any discussion about other potential nominees? Point and laugh? What are we doing here?

if she is the candidate, we will be in a lose lose situation.

When the same talk went on. The Presidency has been great...oh wait...

It's a numbers game and statistically Hillary has the numbers against her.

There are several viable candidates: Gov. Sebellius, Gov. O'Malley, perhaps even Sen. Warren - though she has declared she will not run.

Let the runners declare first, remember that no-one gave President Obama a second thought when he declared and then remember the massive negatives that accompany any run by Mrs Clinton.

coz we really need one.

there are many who dislike her just because of her name. Once the propaganda machine really gets rolling she will be done and the GOPT will walk home.

I'm a supporter of hers but I don't live in denial.

I was for Hillary before and will be again, we have a wonderful pool to select a VP, I feel good about many of them. If I was a Republican, I would be wondering who do we have who can top Hillary, right now, no one.

Then she won't need my support, my time, my money, or my vote.

Good to hear.

And she won't need your whining either.

Run along....

31 months is a long time

Keep it up.

The logic and reality is that Hillary is a terrible candidate. She was leading in 2006, too. Remember that?

But then people actually got to see her in debates and in the campaign and she sunk like a stone. Because she's a terrible candidate.

The only differences between 2006 and 2014 are Hillary is 8 years older and has 8 more years of baggage. Oh, and she's already a proven loser.

We need a NEW, FRESH and PROGRESSIVE democratic presidential candidate. Hillary is none of those things.

President Hillary Clinton

I'd wager.

We will be out there donating, calling, knocking, and otherwise supporting, as we always do.

Change RW for LW and you will get the same results.

Sid

These kinds of proclamations are nonsense and divisive.

Can't see anyone defeating Hillary if she decides to run.

How did that turn out?

I cast my final vote for the lesser of evils in 2012, and vowed to never do it again in my life. Let the Clintons find their votes among the 1%.

At that point I'll go indy and never look back. "But but but"-- nope, don't care.

Perfectly encapsulated my feelings on the matter. Especially the "But, but, but...." part. Exactly. Save your breath. I've been hearing this for 20+ years now.

around eight years ago.

As far as I'm concerned she can take the hundreds of thousands of dollars she has collected from speaking at bank functions and retire.