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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow Dems plotted Cantor's demise.
Former congressman Ben Jones (D-Ga.), better known as "Cooter" from Dukes of Hazzard, has a plan to knock Eric Cantor out of the House. He's urging his fellow Democrats to cross over and vote for a tea party-backed candidate in Virginia's primary election.
Cooter, who ran against Cantor in 2002, has penned an open letter calling upon Democrats in his former Virginia district to vote in the open primary next Tuesday for tea party opponent Dave Brat in order to defeat U.S. House Majority Leader Cantor.
Crossing party lines to vote in an open primary has a long tradition in the solidly one-party South, Cooter argues in his letter. "y voting for David Brat in the Seventh District Republican primary, we Democrats, independents, and Libertarians can make a big difference in American politics," he argues. "It is your right to cast that vote. It is an 'open' primary and it doesnt preclude anyone from voting anyway they wish in November. It may be the only way to empower those who want to make a statement about the dysfunctional Congress and 'politics as usual.'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/06/ben-cooter-jones_n_5463196.html
randys1
(16,286 posts)i call all teaparty people terrorists, just so you know
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Bandit
(21,475 posts)is 57% Republican so it will be quite the up hill battle but doesn't mean it can't happen, just highly unlikely. Both candidates are teachers from the same college and according to student grading of teachers, the Democrat is far more liked than the Republican. Wouldn't it be a kick in the ass if Democrats were to pick up this seat?
randys1
(16,286 posts)which is the bigger problem this country faces
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They live in a parallel society, socially and economically. They are not dependent on government in any way they recognize; if they'd been hurt by the shutdown, sequester or the cuts they'd have changed their minds.
That Democrats saved the ones on Social Security, VA and other programs over the years as a matter of principle, is lost on them. They want the poor to FOAD so there is more for them. Zero sum game fo them.
They'll make it through the economic benefits to them of discimination and exclusion. And the systems of patronage, nepotism, cronyism and family ties which they put into place when they get into power.
The guy who was blatantly bought off to leave his place in the legislature for financial gain for himself and his family is a prime example of that. We hate this but they thrive on it just as all the grifter GOP.
I've observed them for a long time, and it's why they're for privatization of everything to profit themselves and hide behind their ideology. They are ecstatic any time an honest public venture fails and utterly shameless about the money they rake from others.
At the same time, extremely hostile to losing the money or the social position they are able to inhabit stealing from others. They are arrogant and disruptive as they seek to keep their privileges. And if all else fails, they play their God Card.
Just sayin'
randys1
(16,286 posts)vote for the American Taliban terrorist, are lower middle class to poor and they are then absolutely voting to kill themselves.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They are not wealthy, they are barely getting by until they hit the gold mine of public dollars and even then, they see it as a temporary steal for them and it's why they also are against paying any taxes. It's hard scrabble in their minds. They are leading in the last frontier to their minds in terms of their economic opportunity.
Having dealt with them there and in the state legislature, they can be quite vicious to the public sector and the party of governance, the Democrats and anyone who dares stand up for a just social order.
For them, privatization is their means of survival. The GOP promises them that and they keep their promises as a matter of principle. Any cut to government they get, keeps them in the middle class or the working class.
In general, they less educated and they can't get that kind of money by merit and going through civil service exams. So they make associations to have any work at all. I repeat, they are NOT wealthy.
They are scrambling to survive and see themselves as the eternal victim of Democratic elites who put people into power and into jobs who are more qualified than them, that they can't compete with. They resent it highly.
And as I said, discrimination and exclusion are to their economic advantage. It's not just about feelings, it's about money and they've built up horizontal associations that now rival vertical ones.
I'm not disagreeing with your own experiences dealing with these people face to face. This has been my experience and they are intractable. Media punditry, churches and ALEC have given them rhetorical tactics to use against us.
When facts are presented to appeal to reason, they see it as the establishment telling them no again and act up. They will deny access to any opposing voices, literally shut the door in their faces or pack courts and hearing rooms with any person they can give lunch money to keep them speaking.
That failing, if one gets in the door they shout them down, and pushing and shoving does indeed occur. When they elect 'their' man or woman to office they are all for themselves, and no one else need apply.
YMMV.
TeamPooka
(24,205 posts)You describe the Elite 1% of the party and country.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)warrior1
(12,325 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)JHB
(37,154 posts)Crossing the streams would be bad. Them Duke boys would just jump 'em anyway.
Cha
(296,800 posts)Anansi1171
(793 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)They're claiming that he lost because his dist. is so totally opposed to any immigration reform and Cantor talked as if he was open to some deal.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)So, Cantor has been Cootered?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)primaries.
FSogol
(45,446 posts)You also don't register for a party when you register to vote in VA. You can attend any caucus or primary. The GOP used to try to get you to sign loyalty pledges since they were always afraid of Democrats voting in their primaries.
I doubt many Democrats voted for Brat. Tomorrow, the GOP will be crying that the Democrats did it.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Closed primaries are undemocratic because they shut out unaffiliated or independent voters.
FSogol
(45,446 posts)In the 80s and early 90s, VA had Democratic caucuses which helped the establishment Democrats. The GOP had primaries. Now the Democrats have primaries and the GOP flip flops between the 2 systems. VA has always had open primaries since you do not register by affiliation in this Commonwealth.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)And this result is likely to force them to reconsider. I don't think that the electoral code is at a constitutional level here. It's up to the legislature.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)It makes for a lot of fun trying to contact the base at times but other times it works to our advantage. I would not be surprised if that is what actually happened--Democrats came out to vote and voted for Brat to screw Cantor. One hint at this is that the numbers voting were much higher than would be expected when there was no challenger in the primary for the Democratic position on the ballot. Another hint is that areas of the gerrymandered district that would have been expected to go for Cantor because they are more moderate voted for Brat. I am still chuckling. If the Democrats get organized in the 7th, they can probably defeat Brat!
I think that the media is remiss in not pointing this out as not registering a party affiliation when registering to vote is an anomaly.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)FSogol
(45,446 posts)As for Democrats voting for Brat, I don't really believe they did in any great numbers (Remember VA doesn't register by party, so there is no way to tell). Cantor's constituents can't help, but notice that he never supported anything and introduced almost no legislation. Voting "no" on everything isn't the way to government even for the crowd that thinks they want smaller government. Combine that with Cantor's hubris of not bothering to campaign and you have a big loss.
Trammell has his work cut out for him, but has a serious chance to pull off a win.
C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)It would be sweet punking to see all these gyrating pundits pontificating on rising tea party power be proven so wrong.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)Even the old guard has taken on the positions of the Tea Party assholes---I see no difference between them at this point except electability.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The GOP is against everything Democrats cherish, and the Teaterrorists are their spawn. They may call them their bad kids but they simply showthe public what the family was really about, as is frequently the case in some families.
The GOP old guard whines as if they're not behaving, but they are the less patrician model, without the toga and fancy language. That is my best assessment of the old GOP vs. the new GOP or Teaterrorists.
My worst assessment is that the old guard has gotten so greedy and arrogant they groomed the Teaterrorists to act as their shock troops, brownshirts, etc. to intimidate Americans who opposed them - who can forget what the Teaterrrorists did over the ACA under the umbrellla of the GOp. On another level, they play good cop bad cop to appear reasonable. But they want the same things.
The TeaParty, etc. didn't exist during the Clinton year, but their cultural roots go back to the Birchers, Robertson and Reed. What they did when the got majority was what they were dying to do since the days of FDR, Truman and Ike.
When people claim that old guys were moderate, I think they are buying what they have selling since Nixon. It's hard not to do so, it's been shoved in our faces for years. But it is an idle hope that one can reason with extortionists and killers to save a few lives.
They know us and our values. We are more the party of letting the guilty go to save those who are innocent, and we know what democratic process is. We know if we don't go through the process, the government is destroyed. The GOP wants that anyway, so they will push the limits no matter how insane.
They GOP call it a weakness and they are the source of the weak and spineless Democrat that is really their meme. They have also convinced a lot of people that the strong man, authoritarian leadership that Democrats won't fall for, is a fault, but really, compromise is democratic with a 'little d.'
They disrespect us the same as did the Third Reich. They only indulge in eaceful negotiation until they can make war. They only acted reasonable when they were faced with solid Democratic majorities of any stripe.
Nixon and Reagan had to deal with the Democratic majority who were, going to toss Nixon out on his ass. But he resigned and the Constitution allowed Ford to pardon him. There was nothing to be done legally, the country had to move on. But it wasn't good enough for them, so they made war by stealth. Then the Democrats were going to bring down Reagan with Iran Contra, but by then they'd got so much of media under their control it was impossible. .
We have to remember that the GOP hadn't held majority since the New Deal. After Gingrich got in they have held the cards and then, they controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency, we saw what they did with the power majority granted them in the Bush era.
They invented the TP brand as a product line when the voters got sick of them. I see nothing different about their basic philosophy, just that they are much more obvious with what the heart (?) of the GOP is.
Sorry, there's a lot of redundacy there and I'm too tired to edit. Have a good evening.
JMHO.
SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)we just witnessed Eric Cantor get handed his ass...
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)so that means it will go to Brat, unopposed.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)MH1
(17,573 posts)I hope he's a decent candidate and has a chance, but it is a very conservative district, according to the talking heads.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)at the same college as Brat!
SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)We can give Trammell support and the local Democrats can do a grassroots GOTV campaign to get every Democrat out to the polls in November. He might not win, but we should give it the old college try.
MH1
(17,573 posts)Randolph-Macon College Professor Jack Trammell, the Democrat who secured the nomination in the district held by the newly defeated House Minority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA), released a statement Tuesday that said Virginians are "hungry for radical change" after "dysfunctional and reckless politics."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014823138
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)open primary.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)And I sure hope that's not what happened here.
I wouldn't cross-over like that if my ass was on fire. Stooping to the level of a rethug is too low, down and dirty.
joc46224
(62 posts)Sounds naive probably but it sure seems that whenever you do something a bit shady or dishonest it usually backfires. I realize that the rules for an Open Primary allow for crossovers likes this, and also that the Republicans would do this to a Dem candidate in a heartbeat--but it still makes me uneasy. Call it Karma, whatever.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)Politics IS shady. Look at all the politicians getting rich taking money from lobbyist and they get re-elected every year...when is their karma gonna come due!
Politics is a game...why shouldn't voters be able to play too???
Cheviteau
(383 posts)But...I'm not as fastidious as you. I've heard all the ranting about I need to hear from Cantor about how hungry kids are ruining this country. Screw him and anyone associated with his sorry ass.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)But voting in someone else's primary just goes against my grain.
See here, where I attempted to reassure another poster who was having misgivings about his loss:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5078467
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)Your voter registration doesn't have party affiliation. In an election, everyone is allowed to vote in their own best interest.
eridani
(51,907 posts)On the other hand, when WA still had open primaries, I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary just to vote against Bush. (Gore and Bradley were both acceptable to me, though I wasn't really wild about either.)
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)They are left hanging.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)Virginia isn't strongly partisan. That's why a red state elected Obama twice. They tend to vote for the man, not the party.
In an election that covers a lot of candidates it's not uncommon for someone to vote....for example...the democratic president and the republican senator.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)In states with closed primaries only those who are members of a party can vote for that parties candidates. Semi-Closed primaries do allow for unaffiliated citizens to vote in a parties primaries, however, while disallowing cross party voting. Open primaries allow anyone from any party to vote for whoever.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)and can vote in whichever primary they want. Also, if you register Democratic Party, you vote in the Democratic Party primaries and Republicans vote in Republican primaries.
I've never heard of open primaries before this. Sounds like it is something the wrong people could use the wrong way, namely right wingers. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)You either vote for your party or not.
Open primaries can be "gamed" by either side, so I'd more advocate semi-closed primaries, where unaffiliated or independents are allowed to vote on a given parties primaries. But fully open is truly democratic because it allows anyone and everyone to vote however. It's kind of weird, but exclusive primaries are sort of undemocratic to me.
eallen
(2,953 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,928 posts)It's great he got involved. Now we need to make sure that Brat loses in the general election.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)better the devil you don't know than the devil you do!
And that Cantor was a mighty bad devil!
W_HAMILTON
(7,835 posts)The votes haven't been fully counted yet and already there are over 17,000 more votes cast in the 2014 primary than in the 2012 primary, resulting in an increase of almost 40%.
You can find the 2012 numbers here: https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.gov/election/DATA/2012/A2E23EAB-7EA6-40E2-AF41-3CE22C787EA4/Official/6_s.shtml
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Worth it?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And replacing a GOP leader with a GOP freshman weakens the GOP.
savalez
(3,517 posts)Good info!
rug
(82,333 posts)Botany
(70,447 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)At the time some thought he was talking about Newt's wife.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)czarjak
(11,253 posts)Thanks Tea Party, please proceed.
smallcat88
(426 posts)some speculation in the media that all the Republican gerrymandering hurt Cantor. Great if true! Would love to see that come back to bite them in the ass!
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I don't remember the celebration of such a tactic when it was Limbaugh's Operation Chaos.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)even if he did run as a republican.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Use T or TP on the ballot. They claim to not be the GOP, but they ride the coattails. One would think the GOP would want this, and push it. Do it so there won't be time for them to correct it. LOL!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)We suck at this
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Dems should stop it before it goes mainstream.
Yikes.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and to keep power the Republicans joined them. Now the South is taking its revenge and will destroy the Republican Party.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)we did to the GOP what they did to us by funding Nader back in 2000. Nice