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pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:04 PM Jun 2014

I don't think we should be celebrating the defeat of right-wing candidates by extreme right-wing

candidates in the primaries. Most of them are in solid Republican gerrymandered districts, and they are very likely to win in the General.

This is the scariest part about the gerrymandered districts: they give absolute loony tunes a real shot at winning.

This is unlikely to end well.

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I don't think we should be celebrating the defeat of right-wing candidates by extreme right-wing (Original Post) pnwmom Jun 2014 OP
Of course not, teaparty are terrorists and the hate they have for minorities and Gays and so on randys1 Jun 2014 #1
We need to do everything possible to shore up Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #2
I hope dems have a plan gwheezie Jun 2014 #3
And what can WE do about that....they are still committing suicide... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #4
And convince the Republicans that voted for Cantor to switch to the Democratic side. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #9
Or stay home! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #13
Someone was claiming that Dems helped Brat to beat Cantor pnwmom Jun 2014 #11
Its on their conscience... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15
I can't think of anything about Cantor that would be better than the other teabagger. Both are AlinPA Jun 2014 #25
The real Republicans can stay home and not vote for the crazy candidate, so I do not agree, any Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #5
It won't be an easy win, but tell me what was the benefit with Cantor and legislation Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #6
Think of just getting the debt ceiling passed. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #12
We cannot stop them from voting for loony toons.....they must be loony toons themselves... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #16
I was trying to get across that their differences are not that great that I can see. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #24
True, but the difference is in getting at least the minimal stuff done. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #30
I understand the concerns..but Cantor is gone, lets put the efforts to help the Dem win. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #34
You're not kidding. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #7
True, but even if Brat wins the general, he won't have the power The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #8
You got it! yallerdawg Jun 2014 #18
Exactly!!! this is what political suicide looks like! It's ugly....its supposed to be! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #22
That is the only iron I think you can pull from the fire in this situation. Skidmore Jun 2014 #20
Brat will probably be another Louie Gohmert. He will be a no vote for everything reasonable AlinPA Jun 2014 #28
Exactly.. and I guess the OP doesn't realize how sick to death some of us were of Cha Jun 2014 #43
This is why we must GOTV as if it were a Preidential Election Year. dballance Jun 2014 #10
I TOTALLY AGREE! ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #14
Because the crazy will let the crazy show....Think Bachmann! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #19
Yup, think Sharon Angle and Allen West. n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #23
And Herman Cain and Sarah Palin!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #26
Bachmann showed her crazy yet kept getting re-elected. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #48
As much as I dislike Cantor... roamer65 Jun 2014 #17
People in leadership positions rarely lose. Their district lost a powerful tool*. FSogol Jun 2014 #21
Cantor's dictrict in Virginia doesn't matter in sufrommich Jun 2014 #27
Thank you, su! Cha Jun 2014 #45
Bottom Line: We should be concerned with POLICY democrat2thecore Jun 2014 #29
Cantor was instrumental in Boehner's failed congress. savalez Jun 2014 #31
Boehner was leaving ANYWAY...now, who will be speaker? democrat2thecore Jun 2014 #33
We'll see. savalez Jun 2014 #42
We are celebrating the fact that Cantor will no longer be House Majority leader. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #32
Actually, this is the perfect opportunity to grab a seat MrScorpio Jun 2014 #35
Romney took this district by 57%. So this District's pretty red. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #40
It's THEIR time for a wake-up call. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #36
The Teaparty is the greatest single force of political power in the U.S. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #37
That depends, really Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #38
Anytime Eric Cantor loses... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #39
America, welcome to Illinois. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #41
a good assessment Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #44
truth is, it's frightening as hell. we're going to be dealing with teabaggers who make law spanone Jun 2014 #46
Cantor had the ability to set the agenda jeff47 Jun 2014 #47

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Of course not, teaparty are terrorists and the hate they have for minorities and Gays and so on
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

is frightening

These are without a doubt the worst people america has ever produced, the country is under attack

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. We need to do everything possible to shore up
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

Pryor, Hagen, Begich, Walsh, Landrieu, as well as Grimes and Nunn.


Lindsay Graham is a bastard, no question. He is still better than the five Jobbik (neo-nazis in Hungary) kooks running against him.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
4. And what can WE do about that....they are still committing suicide...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jun 2014

all we can do is turn out in the midterms....their electorate is afraid of their radicals...hell they are cop killers now too....

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
11. Someone was claiming that Dems helped Brat to beat Cantor
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:09 PM
Jun 2014

by crossing over to vote as Rethug in the primary.

I hope no Democrat really did that. As bad as Cantor was, Brat is worse.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
25. I can't think of anything about Cantor that would be better than the other teabagger. Both are
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

crazed teabaggers.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. The real Republicans can stay home and not vote for the crazy candidate, so I do not agree, any
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jun 2014

one else right of centre, Democrat, in the general area Cantor occupied could well win.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. It won't be an easy win, but tell me what was the benefit with Cantor and legislation
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

getting passed that supported Obama's agenda?

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
12. Think of just getting the debt ceiling passed.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:10 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously. You get enough of these looney toons in there who have no idea what it means to actually default and that's it - game over.
We're already functioning on the political equivalent of the autonomic nervous system. These folks would even shut that down.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
24. I was trying to get across that their differences are not that great that I can see.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:18 PM
Jun 2014

We had two Democrats vote No on the debt too btw.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
7. You're not kidding.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

We're already very close to being totally ungovernable. A few more of these and we'd be there. Then what?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,610 posts)
8. True, but even if Brat wins the general, he won't have the power
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

Cantor had. He'll be just another freshman congresscritter with crap committee assignments. Getting rid of Cantor is a big deal because he had power on top of being an arrogant dick.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
28. Brat will probably be another Louie Gohmert. He will be a no vote for everything reasonable
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jun 2014

(if Boehner ever lets anything reasonable come to a vote), and will just vomit out the teabagger lines like the idiot Gohmert.

Cha

(296,872 posts)
43. Exactly.. and I guess the OP doesn't realize how sick to death some of us were of
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jun 2014

seeing sociopathic eric cantor's smug smirk when he was saying "NO".

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
10. This is why we must GOTV as if it were a Preidential Election Year.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jun 2014

We must defeat their far right-wing nuts.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
19. Because the crazy will let the crazy show....Think Bachmann!
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:16 PM
Jun 2014

We cannot stop people from voting for them.....all we can do is hope that the ones they choose are easy pickings. The most radical are too stupid not to think their views are popular. They only got elected because only the most radical turn out to vote for them now......not being able to appear even the least bit self aware....works in our favor!

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
48. Bachmann showed her crazy yet kept getting re-elected.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jun 2014

There are some districts and states in which a Tea Partier triumph in the primary gives the Democrat a fighting chance in the general. There are other elections, however, in which a Tea Partier triumph in the primary just puts another loon in office.

Ted Cruz won his primary against a less conservative, more "establishment" Republican, who was denounced as a RINO by the same RWNJ's who hurled that epithet at Cantor. The bright side is that Cruz has probably made the Republican Party look bad to a few independents outside Texas, and thus made them more likely to vote for Democrats. Overall, though, I think the country would be better off if that other Republican were in the Senate instead of Cruz.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
17. As much as I dislike Cantor...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:13 PM
Jun 2014

...this result shows just how fascist the Rethug party has become. Not a good thing at all.

FSogol

(45,452 posts)
21. People in leadership positions rarely lose. Their district lost a powerful tool*.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jun 2014

The Democrats now have a chance of winning that seat.

GOTV.


* tool in both senses of the word.

democrat2thecore

(3,572 posts)
29. Bottom Line: We should be concerned with POLICY
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jun 2014

This district is not going blue, it's just not. I hate it, but that's just the truth. No way should we celebrate this victory by Brat. Cantor at least knew how to compromise and work with Democrats at times. This teabagger is a nut who thinks that's some kind of treason. We lost someone we disagree with, but get someone who truly views us as ENEMIES. That's the Tea Party difference. Disgusting. I'm sorry for Rep. Cantor, frankly. The far-right types should frighten us. POLICY makes all the difference. Don't cheer the POLITICS of Cantor losing. Mourn the fact that one more far-right nut is going to put their stamp on America.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
31. Cantor was instrumental in Boehner's failed congress.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jun 2014

He's gone now.

Maybe Boehner will bow out of the speakership now.

Brat will just be a loudmouth with no real power.

Rejoice!

democrat2thecore

(3,572 posts)
33. Boehner was leaving ANYWAY...now, who will be speaker?
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jun 2014

Be careful what we wish for. The next Speaker will not be Eric Cantor, which was pretty much a shoe-in. Now, who will it be? Count on them being further to the right than Cantor. Bank on it.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
32. We are celebrating the fact that Cantor will no longer be House Majority leader.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jun 2014

Someone else will get that job come January. Sure, it will likely be some other asshole, barring a Democratic takeover of Congress. But, it's not going to be that teabagger who is replacing him. And, we won't have to see his bitch face any longer.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
35. Actually, this is the perfect opportunity to grab a seat
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jun 2014

Virginia is really purple, I mean really, really purple. If a Dem plays this right, we can get it.

VA Teabaggerati pols are usually extreme fucking nut cases, most folks in that state have way too much sense to elect one in a general.

I think that our chances are good here. With Cantor gone, the job is halfway done.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
37. The Teaparty is the greatest single force of political power in the U.S.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:40 PM
Jun 2014

That may change, but they are systematically reaming out the far-right GOP, replacing it with an exquisite extreme-ness. Clearly, they have the grass roots, enough $, and communications that what remains of the "Left" can only hope for. I expect the Democratic Party will remain center-right, hoping in its passivity that the far right will fuck up. And it will continue its squeeze out if any views to the left of the Big Dawg. This has been going on for some time, now.

The problem, however, isn't the power of the far right. The problem is there is no meaningful opposition. That, too, has been going on for some time.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
38. That depends, really
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jun 2014

look at it this way: the result removes Cantor and replaces him with a freshman representative with no seniority or influence in Congress who is unlikely to be popular with the leadership and at worst may turn out to be an embarrassment like Allen West who'll lose at the next primary.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
46. truth is, it's frightening as hell. we're going to be dealing with teabaggers who make law
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jun 2014

some scary shit

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
47. Cantor had the ability to set the agenda
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jun 2014

Cantor had the ability to decide what bills come up for a vote. He had the back-room deal support to steer the House. Thus he had the ability to affect national policy.

Brat, if he wins, will be a very junior rep with no power and (at least for now) nowhere near enough allies to make any backroom deals. He will have no ability to affect national policy beyond being 1 of 435 votes.

And while it's a very Republican-leaning district, turning the district blue went from utterly impossible to might happen. Nobody's really dug that hard into Brat's past, and he's pretty damn crazy. That may allow the Democrat to pull in some Republican votes. It's at least better than a guaranteed Cantor win.

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