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The civil war in the ReTHUG party is finally front and center.
This is a political earthquake by any calculation and it is worthy of celebration.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Joe Scum is trying hard to avoid that bloodbath to come but this will be fun to watch
heaven05
(18,124 posts)but after they are finished with each other, all free thinking people, no matter the ethnicity, race or religious preference, NOT interested in their form of government would be next to 'fall under their knives'. Not a pleasant thought of history repeating itself.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)malaise
(268,693 posts)<snip>
As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.
The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured -- serves as the prologue of Robert Draper's much-discussed and heavily-reported new book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."
According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.
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Fugging loser - make them pay!!
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)I don't know if Brat can win in a general election - and I don't know if it was STRICTLY Republicans who said "Anybody But Cantor" - but I like that Cantor took a 'thumpin!
malaise
(268,693 posts)Leme
(1,092 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)it was a 'low primary turnout', when everybody else this morning has been saying there was actually a far higher turnout than expected.
Keep on hacking, Mr Todd...
glowing
(12,233 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)it seems that under 100,000 people voted.
I wonder what this will mean for gop turn-out in the general? It would seem that they got a significant portion of the rabidly insane ... er ... teaparty vote; but the question is how many moderately sane ... er ... non-teatparty republicans and/or independents will come out to vote for this teaparty candidate?
I'm hoping not many.
Get Out The Democratic Vote in 2014!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Don't forget that VA has open primaries, and the Democrat was unopposed. There's reports of lots of Democrats voting against Cantor in the Republican primary.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Why did NPR sightward spinner LM, say turn-out was "notably light"?
Oh, never mind ...
jeff47
(26,549 posts)former9thward
(31,936 posts)Vote counts show turnout did not spike higher in more Democratic-voting counties, and Cantor lost most support in Republican strongholds.
Likewise, Cantor saw the biggest drop-off in support in Republican strongholds of Hanover (-44 percentage points) and New Kent (-44 points), counties where Obama drew just over 30 percent of the vote in 2012. In Henrico County where Obama won 55 percent support, Cantor's drop-off was a smaller 32 points. The overall correlation between Obama's county support and Cantor's drop-off was clearly negative at -.60, indicating that the higher Obama's 2012 support, the lower Republican primary turnout rose this year. This is consistent with the idea that Republicans largely drove the rise in turnout.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/11/did-democratic-votes-doom-eric-cantor/
jeff47
(26,549 posts)former9thward
(31,936 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)They just skip over them because it's a much tidier story if they ignore them.
WaPo and similar entities are looking for a single reason Cantor lost. Because that lets them build a one-sentence narrative instead of having to figure out what really happened.
Why'd Cantor lose? A combination of teabagger paranoia, Cantor failing to bring home the pork, "establishment" Republicans assuming it's in the bag and staying home, and Democratic cross-over voters.
But that won't fit in a tweet, so the media can't possibly use that. So time to oversimplify down to "It's all about immigration!!!!". Nevermind that immigration reform polls at about 60% favorable in Cantor's district....
former9thward
(31,936 posts)It means something different to everyone that is asked about it so you don't really know what people are thinking whatever the percentages might be. In those poll questions you will notice they never get specific about what they mean. Democrats are split on specific parts of "Immigration Reform" as are Republicans.
Historically attempts at crossover voting have never worked. I don't think it happened to any extent this time -- never mind the fact there was no organized attempt to encourage crossover voting. The Democrats had totally ignored this race.
underpants
(182,603 posts)Only 45,000 voted in the 7th in 2012 and that had a Presidential primary on the ballot
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)malaise
(268,693 posts)I would have preferred to see Obama's.
They have sabotaged him from the beginning.
Tick them off from that list.
Another one bites the dust.
The ReTHUG party is tearing itself apart and I'm lovin' it.
Itchinjim
(3,084 posts)LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,819 posts)Kber
(5,043 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)I hope he never does find another job this side of China!
mucifer
(23,478 posts)It will move repubs to the right and thus dems. They all seem to fear the tea party. Repubs wanting to get elected dems wanting to compromise.
That's what has been going on since the tea party started. I don't see why this would be different.
I wish I could be happy about cantor's loss.
TBF
(32,004 posts)democrats sent Cantor packing (Virginia has open primaries).
bluemarkers
(536 posts)I've been trying to find out what this might mean in November - thank you for this information.
(I hope it means one more Dem in the house.) Not that it means a lot except that is is better than one less.
TBF
(32,004 posts)I get numerous requests for $$$ from the DNC and hopefully they are going to be using the funds to support candidates like Trammell. This would be a big win for dems.
I also understand he works at Randolph Macon, as does Brat
Interesting semester coming up at RMC
former9thward
(31,936 posts)Little evidence for widespread Democratic cross over voting to oppose Cantor in GOP primary
Vote counts show turnout did not spike higher in more Democratic-voting counties, and Cantor lost most support in Republican strongholds.
Likewise, Cantor saw the biggest drop-off in support in Republican strongholds of Hanover (-44 percentage points) and New Kent (-44 points), counties where Obama drew just over 30 percent of the vote in 2012. In Henrico County where Obama won 55 percent support, Cantor's drop-off was a smaller 32 points. The overall correlation between Obama's county support and Cantor's drop-off was clearly negative at -.60, indicating that the higher Obama's 2012 support, the lower Republican primary turnout rose this year. This is consistent with the idea that Republicans largely drove the rise in turnout.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/11/did-democratic-votes-doom-eric-cantor/
TBF
(32,004 posts)Wash Post ... mainstream media loves the tea party nonsense
former9thward
(31,936 posts)The crossover folks so far have given nothing.
greymattermom
(5,751 posts)Even among Republicans, money can't buy you love.
malaise
(268,693 posts)but remember they are all ReTHUGs. There is one party at war with itself.
TBF
(32,004 posts)they all voted in droves in the primary (against Cantor) to get him the hell out. They won't be voting for the teabaggerati in November. Virginia has open primaries by law. We'll see if repugs try to change the law after this.
It's nice to see dems finally get hard-core and fight. You have to against repugs because they will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want.
You can bet that the legislature tries to change state election law.
TBF
(32,004 posts)what had happened. Only 12 states have completely closed primaries.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)I could not have even caucused in 2008 because of it... oh and fuck caucusing for that matter. Whole other issue...
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)in the primary and then switched back. So many local positions have no Dem opposition in the general elections.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)malaise
(268,693 posts)this kind of payback is DELISH!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html
TBF
(32,004 posts)I lived in Wash DC for 15 years before moving to Texas. It is amazing how things work in that town.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Cantor and his future. It just collapsed.
malaise
(268,693 posts)NJCher
(35,619 posts)As I read this thread and the posts of those who wish they could celebrate, I wondered if they had read the opinion columns of Paul Krugman on how big corporations cobbled together a "political party" out of the republican party. Most were written in 2012-13. His thesis was that such a creation was doomed to self-destruction.
Since the time he wrote that column, I've watched their behavior through that lens. If Krugman was right, we are seeing the high point (or would it be low point) of their destruction.
I did a search but have not yet found the best column he did, but here's an excerpt from one of them (along with a link, if you prefer context).
How did we get here? ...
First came the southern strategy, in which the Republican elite cynically exploited racial backlash to promote economic goals, mainly low taxes for rich people and deregulation. Over time, this gradually morphed into what we might call the crazy strategy, in which the elite turned to exploiting the paranoia that has always been a factor in American politics Hillary killed Vince Foster! Obama was born in Kenya! Death panels! to promote the same goals.
But now were in a third stage, where the elite has lost control of the Frankenstein-like monster it created.
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2013/09/paul-krugman-the-crazy-party.html
Finally, to those who fear the tea party will gain influence, I'd just say that as a long-time political activist, an important tactic is to appear mainstream. Voters don't vote extremist. The tea party has not yet figured out how to appeal to the broad swatch of voters across the country. They are and will continue to be seen as extremists.
Cher
G_j
(40,366 posts)I find it downright creepy that there could be someone even worse than Cantor.
malaise
(268,693 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)and that they exist isn't as frightening as the fact that anyone would support them.
May they self destruct before they cause further destruction to the country...
malaise
(268,693 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)pretending that the Democrats don't have their own civil war?
While I get a visceral tug of pleasure from Cantor's defeat, I don't know that it's necessarily good news in the bigger picture. Giving the tea party a bigger voice helps...how?
malaise
(268,693 posts)The House Majority Leader just lost. That is one big voice silenced. That is war for who gets the position.
Brat is a nonentity. They are alll ReTHUGs.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)WON'T be a Republican? And, having paid attention to this loss, WON'T be even more aligned with the tea party?
vi5
(13,305 posts)Their civil war is between their right wing and their extreme right wing. It plays out with their right wing continually making overtures and concessions to the extreme right wing.
Our civil war is between our center right wing, and everyone to the left of center. It plays out with our center right wing continually making overturnes and concessions to.......the Republican party.
Big difference.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I think it's our "center right" wing that would cheer the Republican civil war, which can drive more republicans into their own center-right sphere, making the Democratic Party more and more Republican-like.
vi5
(13,305 posts)I didn't think about that. Ugh. Thanks for bumming me out so early on in the day.
lpbk2713
(42,736 posts)They fired a recognizable name and face from a leadership position.
Now the next one to emerge from the clown car has to start from scratch.
malaise
(268,693 posts)There is no Tea Party Party - they are all ReTHUGs
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)underpants
(182,603 posts)westerebus
(2,976 posts)Even sweeter that the know nothings are convinced they did this all by themselves...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)rustbeltvoice
(429 posts)The two happiest people in D.C. last night:
1--John Boehner
2--Barack Obama
Also, me here.
Cantor was a smug, smarmy, wretched individual. Now he can go make money at Fox.
catbyte
(34,333 posts)BTW, welcome to DU!
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)He truly belongs on the ash heap of history!
bonniebgood
(940 posts)immigration bill. Me thinks he lost because he turned down federal aid for that HUGE tornado storm in his district saying it had to be a "pay for" aid.
Damn all night coverage on his lost? What will the media coverage look like when Maconnell lose?
Will it be Armageddon?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)that no doubt will be sponsored by those that owe him all those political pay back debts. The position/s he took against the working class and the poor and his anti AFC, won him eternal support from the Repukes. Cantor will still find a way to screw the working families and the poor,thats his way, so we haven't seen the last of this a-hole.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)I despise that smarmy POS, and everything that he stood for. He will be a new lobbyist, of that I have no doubt. What's funny is that the Koch brothers blew a wad of money on Eric the Dead. What is not funny is teabillyism.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I hope the radicals totally take over the stinking husk that's left of the republican party.
Let them put their hateful, un-american views and perverted heretic dominionist religion on display so no spin from Fox "news" will be able to stop the average citizen from realizing the complete horror of the teatalibans fever dreams/nightmare plans for America!
I eagerly await the total collapse and death of the damned republican party!
The Wizard
(12,536 posts)being an insufferable prick. A very unlikable character. Now he can make real money as a lobbyist and not have to worry about elections.
ffr
(22,665 posts)Wasserman Schultz & Dems need to capitalize!
GOTV for that seat. Ground and pound a Democratic victory!!!
NO
MORE
REPUBLICANS
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)That's in the top 10 best one liners I've seen about this so far.
Iggo
(47,534 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)but rather between the rightwing fascist extremists and the lunatic foaming-at-the-mouth extreme extreme extreme right wing.
spanone
(135,791 posts)elleng
(130,732 posts)maintain/enhance Senate majority, and garner governorships.
Warpy
(111,141 posts)with a man who hasn't and isn't likely to.
Most people are ignoring the real cause of Cantor's defeat: he refused to allow Federal disaster funds after his district was the epicenter of an earthquake strong enough to do a lot of damage.
I honestly thought he'd win, although I thought it would be very close.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)going to fall for their bigoted views. The majority of people want immigration reform, legalized pot and gun control. If the 30 million man march is an example of teabaggery then the GOP is frigging done.
abakan
(1,815 posts)It's just too delicious not to enjoy!