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DUers are celebrating Cantor's loss for one reason (Original Post) malaise Jun 2014 OP
I'm waiting for the Nacht der langen Messer to start within the party. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #1
LOL malaise Jun 2014 #3
yeah sure, funny heaven05 Jun 2014 #18
Exactly. They cobbled together the monster; now how do they like it? WinkyDink Jun 2014 #2
Obama must have had a good laugh - down memory lane - look who was submarined -LOL malaise Jun 2014 #4
I'm loving this JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #5
A very basic ABC that throws the entire ReTHUG party into chaos malaise Jun 2014 #8
yeah, these guys helped with the continued erosion of our country Leme Jun 2014 #53
Laugh, Hack Todd just tried to give him cover by claiming Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #6
He looked like he was going to cry last night.. glowing Jun 2014 #34
From the little I've gathered ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #37
That was double the turnout in the 2012 primary jeff47 Jun 2014 #60
Double the turn-out? Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #70
Because 2012 turnout was even lighter (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #71
Those reports were debunked. former9thward Jun 2014 #81
Because no Democrats live in Republican counties, and vice-versa. jeff47 Jun 2014 #83
I am sure you will be forthcoming with your figures. former9thward Jun 2014 #84
They're already in the WaPo article. jeff47 Jun 2014 #86
Immigration Reform is one of the phrases like Gun Control in polls. former9thward Jun 2014 #87
The number I am seeing is 68,000 underpants Jun 2014 #76
I would have loved to have seen the expression on Cantor's face when he heard the good news! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #7
Hahahahhaha malaise Jun 2014 #9
Plus Eric is a major league asshole. Itchinjim Jun 2014 #10
Well, there is that, too .... LisaLynne Jun 2014 #12
That's actually the best part. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #32
Reason enough. Kber Jun 2014 #48
I'd have a hard time picking a bigger one harun Jun 2014 #49
And a more full of shit asshole the world may never witness... Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #63
We will get more constant drumming from the msm that the tea party is powerful mucifer Jun 2014 #11
The tea party is not "powerful" - TBF Jun 2014 #15
I didn't know that! thanks bluemarkers Jun 2014 #40
Jack Trammell is the dem running in VA - TBF Jun 2014 #47
thanks bluemarkers Jun 2014 #80
No, that did not happen. former9thward Jun 2014 #82
I saw that and I think it's BS from TBF Jun 2014 #89
Well they gave evidence. former9thward Jun 2014 #90
The best part to me is that money didn't win greymattermom Jun 2014 #13
True malaise Jun 2014 #21
Dems are finally playing to win - TBF Jun 2014 #14
+1 joshcryer Jun 2014 #16
Texas is mixed so I knew right away TBF Jun 2014 #17
Sadly, CO is one. :( joshcryer Jun 2014 #19
Sadly is right! In our solid Republican world, I've had to register as a Repub to have a choice mountain grammy Jun 2014 #51
Write-in movement? DhhD Jun 2014 #66
After Cantor's plan to submarine Obama from Inauguration night 2009 malaise Jun 2014 #23
Not surprising at all - TBF Jun 2014 #27
Indeed. There was a power structure in DC built around morningfog Jun 2014 #20
Payback is an itch with a Cap B malaise Jun 2014 #25
you just made my day NJCher Jun 2014 #67
while this is true G_j Jun 2014 #22
They are all creeps malaise Jun 2014 #24
that's the truth of it G_j Jun 2014 #33
Well said G_j malaise Jun 2014 #35
Are the same people celebrating LWolf Jun 2014 #26
Bigger Voice - how malaise Jun 2014 #29
So...the new House Majority Leader LWolf Jun 2014 #43
The difference is.... vi5 Jun 2014 #39
I think they are connected. LWolf Jun 2014 #42
Very good point. vi5 Jun 2014 #44
What pleases me ... lpbk2713 Jun 2014 #28
Precisely and that is reason to celebrate malaise Jun 2014 #30
I hope Paul Ryan is next on August 12TH!!!! Please!!!!! yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #55
I think many VA democrats voted for Brat. B Calm Jun 2014 #31
We did underpants Jun 2014 #46
How sweet it is. westerebus Jun 2014 #74
the shot heard round the world! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #36
I predict the DEM Big Tent is going to get bigger. And "Rightier." blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #38
it may have started with popcorn, it ended with champagne rustbeltvoice Jun 2014 #41
I'm sure his K Street cronies will make sure his parachute is 24 Karat. catbyte Jun 2014 #45
hear, hear!! Well said. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #52
A real oily sleazy bastard if you ask me. AAO Jun 2014 #59
Everyone is saying Cantor lost becasue of the bonniebgood Jun 2014 #50
Cantor will move to some lucrative position INdemo Jun 2014 #54
The End.. PeoViejo Jun 2014 #56
It sure is! K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #57
It demonstrates just how expendable RW/1% puppets really are. hue Jun 2014 #58
I laughed for a very long time. Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #61
Die by your own hands teapublicans! workinclasszero Jun 2014 #62
The cost of The Wizard Jun 2014 #64
No sitting House majority leader has lost since 1899. ffr Jun 2014 #65
His bastard child spoke his first words - "I hate you, Daddy" TheCowsCameHome Jun 2014 #68
Perfect! herding cats Jun 2014 #75
I'm celebrating because I hate his stupid face. (n/t) Iggo Jun 2014 #69
It's amazing that this fight is not between the moderates and the rightwing Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #72
they invited the monster into their house, it will now devour them.... spanone Jun 2014 #73
Yes and/but we have important things to do, elleng Jun 2014 #77
It also replaces a man who has managed to grab a lot of power Warpy Jun 2014 #78
A teabagger takover of the GOP spells death for them. The majority of people in the country are not Lint Head Jun 2014 #79
And.... abakan Jun 2014 #85
Oh yes malaise Jun 2014 #88
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
18. yeah sure, funny
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:08 AM
Jun 2014

but after they are finished with each other, all free thinking people, no matter the ethnicity, race or religious preference, NOT interested in their form of government would be next to 'fall under their knives'. Not a pleasant thought of history repeating itself.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
4. Obama must have had a good laugh - down memory lane - look who was submarined -LOL
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:23 AM
Jun 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html
<snip>
As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.

The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured -- serves as the prologue of Robert Draper's much-discussed and heavily-reported new book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."

According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.

-----
Fugging loser - make them pay!!

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
5. I'm loving this
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jun 2014

I don't know if Brat can win in a general election - and I don't know if it was STRICTLY Republicans who said "Anybody But Cantor" - but I like that Cantor took a 'thumpin!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. Laugh, Hack Todd just tried to give him cover by claiming
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:29 AM
Jun 2014

it was a 'low primary turnout', when everybody else this morning has been saying there was actually a far higher turnout than expected.

Keep on hacking, Mr Todd...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. From the little I've gathered ...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:30 AM
Jun 2014

it seems that under 100,000 people voted.

I wonder what this will mean for gop turn-out in the general? It would seem that they got a significant portion of the rabidly insane ... er ... teaparty vote; but the question is how many moderately sane ... er ... non-teatparty republicans and/or independents will come out to vote for this teaparty candidate?

I'm hoping not many.

Get Out The Democratic Vote in 2014!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
60. That was double the turnout in the 2012 primary
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jun 2014
It would seem that they got a significant portion of the rabidly insane ... er ... teaparty vote

Don't forget that VA has open primaries, and the Democrat was unopposed. There's reports of lots of Democrats voting against Cantor in the Republican primary.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
70. Double the turn-out? Funny ...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:12 PM
Jun 2014

Why did NPR sightward spinner LM, say turn-out was "notably light"?

Oh, never mind ...

former9thward

(31,936 posts)
81. Those reports were debunked.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jun 2014
Little evidence for widespread Democratic cross over voting to oppose Cantor in GOP primary
Vote counts show turnout did not spike higher in more Democratic-voting counties, and Cantor lost most support in Republican strongholds.

Likewise, Cantor saw the biggest drop-off in support in Republican strongholds of Hanover (-44 percentage points) and New Kent (-44 points), counties where Obama drew just over 30 percent of the vote in 2012. In Henrico County where Obama won 55 percent support, Cantor's drop-off was a smaller 32 points. The overall correlation between Obama's county support and Cantor's drop-off was clearly negative at -.60, indicating that the higher Obama's 2012 support, the lower Republican primary turnout rose this year. This is consistent with the idea that Republicans largely drove the rise in turnout.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/11/did-democratic-votes-doom-eric-cantor/

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
86. They're already in the WaPo article.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:31 PM
Jun 2014

They just skip over them because it's a much tidier story if they ignore them.

WaPo and similar entities are looking for a single reason Cantor lost. Because that lets them build a one-sentence narrative instead of having to figure out what really happened.

Why'd Cantor lose? A combination of teabagger paranoia, Cantor failing to bring home the pork, "establishment" Republicans assuming it's in the bag and staying home, and Democratic cross-over voters.

But that won't fit in a tweet, so the media can't possibly use that. So time to oversimplify down to "It's all about immigration!!!!". Nevermind that immigration reform polls at about 60% favorable in Cantor's district....

former9thward

(31,936 posts)
87. Immigration Reform is one of the phrases like Gun Control in polls.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:44 PM
Jun 2014

It means something different to everyone that is asked about it so you don't really know what people are thinking whatever the percentages might be. In those poll questions you will notice they never get specific about what they mean. Democrats are split on specific parts of "Immigration Reform" as are Republicans.

Historically attempts at crossover voting have never worked. I don't think it happened to any extent this time -- never mind the fact there was no organized attempt to encourage crossover voting. The Democrats had totally ignored this race.

underpants

(182,603 posts)
76. The number I am seeing is 68,000
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jun 2014

Only 45,000 voted in the 7th in 2012 and that had a Presidential primary on the ballot

malaise

(268,693 posts)
9. Hahahahhaha
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:34 AM
Jun 2014

I would have preferred to see Obama's.
They have sabotaged him from the beginning.
Tick them off from that list.
Another one bites the dust.

The ReTHUG party is tearing itself apart and I'm lovin' it.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
63. And a more full of shit asshole the world may never witness...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jun 2014

I hope he never does find another job this side of China!

mucifer

(23,478 posts)
11. We will get more constant drumming from the msm that the tea party is powerful
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:51 AM
Jun 2014

It will move repubs to the right and thus dems. They all seem to fear the tea party. Repubs wanting to get elected dems wanting to compromise.

That's what has been going on since the tea party started. I don't see why this would be different.

I wish I could be happy about cantor's loss.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
15. The tea party is not "powerful" -
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:02 AM
Jun 2014

democrats sent Cantor packing (Virginia has open primaries).

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
40. I didn't know that! thanks
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:56 AM
Jun 2014

I've been trying to find out what this might mean in November - thank you for this information.

(I hope it means one more Dem in the house.) Not that it means a lot except that is is better than one less.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
47. Jack Trammell is the dem running in VA -
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jun 2014
http://www.trammellforcongress.com/

I get numerous requests for $$$ from the DNC and hopefully they are going to be using the funds to support candidates like Trammell. This would be a big win for dems.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
80. thanks
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:59 PM
Jun 2014

I also understand he works at Randolph Macon, as does Brat

Interesting semester coming up at RMC

former9thward

(31,936 posts)
82. No, that did not happen.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jun 2014


Little evidence for widespread Democratic cross over voting to oppose Cantor in GOP primary
Vote counts show turnout did not spike higher in more Democratic-voting counties, and Cantor lost most support in Republican strongholds.

Likewise, Cantor saw the biggest drop-off in support in Republican strongholds of Hanover (-44 percentage points) and New Kent (-44 points), counties where Obama drew just over 30 percent of the vote in 2012. In Henrico County where Obama won 55 percent support, Cantor's drop-off was a smaller 32 points. The overall correlation between Obama's county support and Cantor's drop-off was clearly negative at -.60, indicating that the higher Obama's 2012 support, the lower Republican primary turnout rose this year. This is consistent with the idea that Republicans largely drove the rise in turnout.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/11/did-democratic-votes-doom-eric-cantor/

TBF

(32,004 posts)
14. Dems are finally playing to win -
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:00 AM
Jun 2014

they all voted in droves in the primary (against Cantor) to get him the hell out. They won't be voting for the teabaggerati in November. Virginia has open primaries by law. We'll see if repugs try to change the law after this.

It's nice to see dems finally get hard-core and fight. You have to against repugs because they will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
17. Texas is mixed so I knew right away
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:07 AM
Jun 2014

what had happened. Only 12 states have completely closed primaries.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
19. Sadly, CO is one. :(
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:09 AM
Jun 2014

I could not have even caucused in 2008 because of it... oh and fuck caucusing for that matter. Whole other issue...

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
51. Sadly is right! In our solid Republican world, I've had to register as a Repub to have a choice
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:07 AM
Jun 2014

in the primary and then switched back. So many local positions have no Dem opposition in the general elections.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
27. Not surprising at all -
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:20 AM
Jun 2014

I lived in Wash DC for 15 years before moving to Texas. It is amazing how things work in that town.

NJCher

(35,619 posts)
67. you just made my day
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jun 2014


As I read this thread and the posts of those who wish they could celebrate, I wondered if they had read the opinion columns of Paul Krugman on how big corporations cobbled together a "political party" out of the republican party. Most were written in 2012-13. His thesis was that such a creation was doomed to self-destruction.

Since the time he wrote that column, I've watched their behavior through that lens. If Krugman was right, we are seeing the high point (or would it be low point) of their destruction.

I did a search but have not yet found the best column he did, but here's an excerpt from one of them (along with a link, if you prefer context).

How did we get here? ...
First came the southern strategy, in which the Republican elite cynically exploited racial backlash to promote economic goals, mainly low taxes for rich people and deregulation. Over time, this gradually morphed into what we might call the crazy strategy, in which the elite turned to exploiting the paranoia that has always been a factor in American politics — Hillary killed Vince Foster! Obama was born in Kenya! Death panels! — to promote the same goals.
But now we’re in a third stage, where the elite has lost control of the Frankenstein-like monster it created.


http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2013/09/paul-krugman-the-crazy-party.html

Finally, to those who fear the tea party will gain influence, I'd just say that as a long-time political activist, an important tactic is to appear mainstream. Voters don't vote extremist. The tea party has not yet figured out how to appeal to the broad swatch of voters across the country. They are and will continue to be seen as extremists.


Cher

G_j

(40,366 posts)
22. while this is true
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:15 AM
Jun 2014

I find it downright creepy that there could be someone even worse than Cantor.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
33. that's the truth of it
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:25 AM
Jun 2014

and that they exist isn't as frightening as the fact that anyone would support them.
May they self destruct before they cause further destruction to the country...

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
26. Are the same people celebrating
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:19 AM
Jun 2014

pretending that the Democrats don't have their own civil war?

While I get a visceral tug of pleasure from Cantor's defeat, I don't know that it's necessarily good news in the bigger picture. Giving the tea party a bigger voice helps...how?

malaise

(268,693 posts)
29. Bigger Voice - how
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:21 AM
Jun 2014

The House Majority Leader just lost. That is one big voice silenced. That is war for who gets the position.
Brat is a nonentity. They are alll ReTHUGs.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
43. So...the new House Majority Leader
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:57 AM
Jun 2014

WON'T be a Republican? And, having paid attention to this loss, WON'T be even more aligned with the tea party?

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
39. The difference is....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:52 AM
Jun 2014

Their civil war is between their right wing and their extreme right wing. It plays out with their right wing continually making overtures and concessions to the extreme right wing.

Our civil war is between our center right wing, and everyone to the left of center. It plays out with our center right wing continually making overturnes and concessions to.......the Republican party.

Big difference.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
42. I think they are connected.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:56 AM
Jun 2014

I think it's our "center right" wing that would cheer the Republican civil war, which can drive more republicans into their own center-right sphere, making the Democratic Party more and more Republican-like.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
44. Very good point.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:01 AM
Jun 2014

I didn't think about that. Ugh. Thanks for bumming me out so early on in the day.

lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
28. What pleases me ...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:20 AM
Jun 2014



They fired a recognizable name and face from a leadership position.

Now the next one to emerge from the clown car has to start from scratch.

westerebus

(2,976 posts)
74. How sweet it is.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

Even sweeter that the know nothings are convinced they did this all by themselves...

rustbeltvoice

(429 posts)
41. it may have started with popcorn, it ended with champagne
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:56 AM
Jun 2014

The two happiest people in D.C. last night:
1--John Boehner
2--Barack Obama

Also, me here.

Cantor was a smug, smarmy, wretched individual. Now he can go make money at Fox.

bonniebgood

(940 posts)
50. Everyone is saying Cantor lost becasue of the
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:06 AM
Jun 2014

immigration bill. Me thinks he lost because he turned down federal aid for that HUGE tornado storm in his district saying it had to be a "pay for" aid.
Damn all night coverage on his lost? What will the media coverage look like when Maconnell lose?
Will it be Armageddon?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
54. Cantor will move to some lucrative position
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jun 2014

that no doubt will be sponsored by those that owe him all those political pay back debts. The position/s he took against the working class and the poor and his anti AFC, won him eternal support from the Repukes. Cantor will still find a way to screw the working families and the poor,thats his way, so we haven't seen the last of this a-hole.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
61. I laughed for a very long time.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jun 2014

I despise that smarmy POS, and everything that he stood for. He will be a new lobbyist, of that I have no doubt. What's funny is that the Koch brothers blew a wad of money on Eric the Dead. What is not funny is teabillyism.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
62. Die by your own hands teapublicans!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:48 AM
Jun 2014

I hope the radicals totally take over the stinking husk that's left of the republican party.

Let them put their hateful, un-american views and perverted heretic dominionist religion on display so no spin from Fox "news" will be able to stop the average citizen from realizing the complete horror of the teatalibans fever dreams/nightmare plans for America!

I eagerly await the total collapse and death of the damned republican party!

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
64. The cost of
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:54 AM
Jun 2014

being an insufferable prick. A very unlikable character. Now he can make real money as a lobbyist and not have to worry about elections.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
65. No sitting House majority leader has lost since 1899.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:54 AM
Jun 2014
In a statement Tuesday, Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) said, "When Eric Cantor, who time and again has blocked common sense legislation to grow the middle class, can't earn the Republican nomination, it's clear the GOP has redefined 'far right.' Democrats on the other hand have nominated a mainstream candidate who will proudly represent this district and I look forward to his victory in November."


Wasserman Schultz & Dems need to capitalize!

GOTV for that seat. Ground and pound a Democratic victory!!!

NO
MORE
REPUBLICANS
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
72. It's amazing that this fight is not between the moderates and the rightwing
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:10 PM
Jun 2014

but rather between the rightwing fascist extremists and the lunatic foaming-at-the-mouth extreme extreme extreme right wing.

elleng

(130,732 posts)
77. Yes and/but we have important things to do,
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jun 2014

maintain/enhance Senate majority, and garner governorships.

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
78. It also replaces a man who has managed to grab a lot of power
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jun 2014

with a man who hasn't and isn't likely to.

Most people are ignoring the real cause of Cantor's defeat: he refused to allow Federal disaster funds after his district was the epicenter of an earthquake strong enough to do a lot of damage.

I honestly thought he'd win, although I thought it would be very close.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
79. A teabagger takover of the GOP spells death for them. The majority of people in the country are not
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jun 2014

going to fall for their bigoted views. The majority of people want immigration reform, legalized pot and gun control. If the 30 million man march is an example of teabaggery then the GOP is frigging done.

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