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KamaAina

(78,249 posts) Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:44 PM Jun 2014

Creationist asks ‘hard question’: ‘If evolution is true, is rape wrong?’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/11/creationist-asks-hard-question-if-evolution-is-true-is-rape-wrong/

Creationist Darek Isaacs said during an online broadcast posted Monday that evolutionary theory excused rape....

“You have to start asking questions: Well, if evolution is true, and it’s just all about the male propagating their DNA, we had to ask hard questions, like, well, is rape wrong?” Isaacs said, as one of his hosts gasps....

He said marriage would be “anathema” in an evolutionary worldview because it would limit sexual relations to one man and one woman for life.

“According to the evolutionary worldview, (if) that male is strong enough and he had wonderful genes, he should propagate his DNA as much as possible so that the species can progress,” Isaacs said. “So it redefines everything about our society.”

Neil deGrasse Tyson, cleanup on Aisle Four!

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Creationist asks ‘hard question’: ‘If evolution is true, is rape wrong?’ (Original Post) KamaAina Jun 2014 OP

WTF?? The stoopid it burns. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #1

They really do sound like third-graders. Brickbat Jun 2014 #2

Somehow, I doubt that his, uh, "question" is all that hard KamaAina Jun 2014 #3

Sounds like desperate Don't-Forget-About-Me ramblings. randome Jun 2014 #4

If evolution is true, is murder wrong? mainer Jun 2014 #5

Someone explain to the gentleman the difference between Natural Selection and Artificial Selection. Iggo Jun 2014 #6

that, of course, is an artificial distinction. unblock Jun 2014 #12

Societies evolve along with individuals. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #7

None of the "Ten Commandments" condemn rape ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #8

Actually it is sanctioned several exboyfil Jun 2014 #13

from an evolutionary perspective, unblock Jun 2014 #9

Agreed. Xyzse Jun 2014 #10

They are so stuck in their religious world views that Ilsa Jun 2014 #11

Once again they prove they don't understand what rape is. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #14

Well that made no sense AT ALL! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #15

The bat shit is strong with this one! Initech Jun 2014 #16

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)

1. WTF?? The stoopid it burns.

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:45 PM

Jun 2014

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)

2. They really do sound like third-graders.

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:46 PM

Jun 2014

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)

3. Somehow, I doubt that his, uh, "question" is all that hard

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:46 PM

Jun 2014

randome

(34,845 posts)

4. Sounds like desperate Don't-Forget-About-Me ramblings.

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:48 PM

Jun 2014

Maybe they have a glimmering that they are losing this useless fight? Just as they lost the marriage equality fight?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

mainer

(12,022 posts)

5. If evolution is true, is murder wrong?

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:50 PM

Jun 2014

Since the evidence supports humanity's propensity to kill each other for women and treasure.

Iggo

(47,549 posts)

6. Someone explain to the gentleman the difference between Natural Selection and Artificial Selection.

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:50 PM

Jun 2014

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unblock

(52,196 posts)

12. that, of course, is an artificial distinction.

Reply to Iggo (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:01 PM

Jun 2014

humans are a part of nature. sure, we have vastly more ability to affect the course of evolution than other species do, but still, everything we do is part of nature.

in any event, i don't see the "artificiality" of the selection as one of the real problems with this idiot's position.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)

7. Societies evolve along with individuals.

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:52 PM

Jun 2014

The case can be made that most human evolution over the last several thousand years has been as societies rather than individuals.

This is sort of arguing that if evolution is real than we should all go back to cave man morality - in other words devolve societally.

Bryant

GeorgeGist

(25,319 posts)

8. None of the "Ten Commandments" condemn rape ...

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:55 PM

Jun 2014

so it must be OK with God.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)

13. Actually it is sanctioned several

Reply to GeorgeGist (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:12 PM

Jun 2014

times in the Old Testament as the Israelites wiped out other tribes. It is also sanctioned as a method of getting a spouse. At best it is a property crime against the father. If you are raped in the city by a fellow Israelite you are subject to the same punishment as your rapist (death). The only "righteous" man in Sodom offered up his two daughters for gang rape.

unblock

(52,196 posts)

9. from an evolutionary perspective,

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:56 PM

Jun 2014

society developed social rules around breeding in large part to try to limit the kind of violence among potential suitors that this idiot is advocating. that violence is highly damaging to the survival of the species.

besides, evolution doesn't say anything is right or wrong, it's just a scientific explanation of what happens and how.

all this is entirely aside from other problems with his statement, starting with the obvious problem of his horrendous disregard for the treatment of women!

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)

10. Agreed.

Reply to unblock (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:59 PM

Jun 2014

besides, evolution doesn't say anything is right or wrong, it's just a scientific explanation of what happens and how.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)

11. They are so stuck in their religious world views that

Reply to KamaAina (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:00 PM

Jun 2014

They cannot fathom "what is the right thing" without it being something in the Bible. (And not just what Jesus would do, because we all know that conservatives don't give a flip about Jesus.) They cannot understand that the intricate instincts in nature might not always be good for the society. They also confuse propagation instinct with the misogynistic power struggle of the perp in rape.