has never rang more true

She has a PhD. And is a Scientist working on proteins...

Especially when their paycheck depends on it.

I trust her more than that article...


And HER paycheck has nothing to do with that....

She also rails against the Antivaxx crowd too

You may trust her. I would prefer to keep DNA fragments of GM food out of my bloodstream until we have done a little (no, a LOT) more unbiased research. Precautionary Principle and all that.

If you eat petty much any crop at all it has over time been genetically modified....even without the technology we have today....just saying.

Big damn difference between natural selection and human organic hybridization of plants vs Genetic modification introducing ANIMAL proteins and RNA into a plant to make it...more drought resistant or higher abundant...

Sorry...

Even if this article is lame, biased and unscientifically authenticated the premise is still there...

We should not be gambling with what nature never intended or qualified in nature IE adding animal proteins to plants for genetic modification for consumption...

Random internet articles that take a simple biological process and blow it way out of proportion?

Talk it down. You can do it!

I don't know the writer myself.

Carry on.

But hey, follow whomever you want. It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket; just don't try to make me or others come along.

Just like our food.

For example, with climate change, you still have those who deny that it even exists, or claim that it will only be good(yeah, not really) for the planet....and on the other extreme, you've got guys like David Wasdell or Guy McPherson, or John Greer, for example, who toot the horn of "Inevitable Human Permanent Decline/Extinction" every so often, based on nothing but rhetoric, and the occasional research, either poorly done hackwork or badly misintrepreted pieces of legitimate research.

You've also got a fair number of scientists who insist that consciousness is literally nothing more than brain fireworks, or that all NDEs are nothing more than fancy-pants illusions created by a malfunctioning brain, or that humans are actual apes(instead of being evolutionary "cousins" to apes, like raccoons are to bears, but perhaps a little closer), etc.

BTW, I'm not exactly a big fan of GMOs myself. I don't buy into any of the gloom-and-doom scenarios that are sometimes thrown around the place, but there are indeed legitimate concerns about their use, or misuse.

and worth our attention. thanks for posting

though Colquhoun seems to have an agenda also.

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ISIS does seem to have a certain agenda. However, a pharmacologist who is particularly critical of alternative medicine?.. I'd look somewhere else..

He's a researcher specializing in ion gap, which is somewhat interesting to those trying to treat certain intractable diseases. But carry on.

DNA in your blood can't change DNA in your cells. Your DNA is in the nucleus of your cells. It's only there that your DNA can have an effect.

In fact, viruses have to work extremely hard to get to the point where they can infect your cells, because of that barrier. People who make genetically modified food also have to work very hard to get their modified genes to actually do something. You can't just dump some DNA on a plant and have it change the plant.

But let's take a look at the article:

in their wonderful circle of profit.

I just hold the wrong opinion...

Since yours apparently is, perhaps you could comment on this paper from Nature (from 2011, not 1948): Exogenous plant MIR168a specifically targets mammalian LDLRAP1: evidence of cross-kingdom regulation by microRNA

The reason I ask is that is seems to provide evidence of just the kind of cross-kingdom genetic effects I'm interested in. So far, the only counter to it I've found is this: Plant RNA Paper Questioned. As you can see, this is not a peer-reviewed study, but simply an article exploring a an opinion controversy of the sort that always surrounds new scientific findings.

If you could debunk the original research (with peer-reviewed references of course) I'd be ever so grateful.

"cfDNA has not been shown to affect anything" is not the same as "cfDNA has been shown not to affect anything". Your formulation leaves a lot of room for further research. That's a good thing, right?

"But you can get people excited, and receive more funding, if you throw out GMOs as a boogeyman." You seem to be saying that receiving more funding for molecular biology research is a bad thing. But you can't actually mean that, can you?

I get the distinct impression that you're trying to shut down the discussion. But that can't be true either, can it?

That this is hyperbolic nonsense...

is not a scientific article from peer-reviewed journal. Instead, it is just an article published on an advocacy website. While it sort of masquerades as a scientific article, it is not, and ISIS is not a scientific journal at all.

In fact, ISIS is an advocacy organization and nothing published there should be accepted as fact without further review.

Very clever, ISIS, following typical journal article formatting, but nobody should be fooled into thinking that's what this is.

As others have stated in this thread, this is not research and is not from a peer reviewed journal and really doesn't given any new information. It just puts information together in a way that is propaganda and hyperbole.

DNA entering a cell, much less eventually getting expressed as a protein is by no means trivial and is near (if not) impossible!

And so easily testable too, with a human cell culture with DNA in the media.
It doesn't happen.
The cell has numerous innate mechanisms preventing this...serious mechanisms.
For instance, how does the DNA get into the nucleus to be transcribed into RNA??
how does it get past the cell membrane?? and these two are mechanical barriers.
There are numerous active barriers.
You can argue GMO and I am all for rational argument, but this is not one of them.

And from Nature no less. I wonder if it was peer reviewed? </sarcasm>

...the GMOers here won't touch it ever since I posted it earlier. They. Have. Nothing.

It destroys all their BS and obfuscation attempts.

- Truth does that to those who live in The Dark......

We don't have to live this way......